Black money issue: Wary Swiss banks advise some Indians to cash out


Mumbai, Oct 23 (TOI): Leading Swiss banks are trying to distance themselves from some of the dodgy Indian clients who have twisted rules and could be a cause of embarrassment in future.

At least four individuals — three based in Mumbai and one in Delhi — holding the famously anonymous Swiss numbered accounts, have been advised by their respective banks to pull out their money by December 31.

In the past few weeks, they have received calls from bank relationship managers asking them to close the numbered accounts, known for their secrecy and convenience. One of them has been told to close the account by as early as October 30 while another has been asked to prove that tax has been paid on funds lying with the bank, a person aware of the telephonic conversations told ET. "They have been having these accounts for more than a decade," said the person.

Responding to ET's email query, a Bank Julius Baer & Co spokesman said the bank would not want to comment while an external spokesperson for Credit Suisse said, "As a matter of policy Credit Suisse does not comment on alleged client relationships. Credit Suisse is highly committed to the India market and to Indian clients, and we continue to see the country as a key growth market for the bank." Emails sent to UBS through the bank's website media contact form on Friday and Tuesday Tuesday remained unanswered till the time of going to press.

India and Switzerland plan to put in place an automatic information sharing arrangement that will require Swiss banks to report names of resident Indians opening accounts. The persons who were approached by the Swiss banks are under the impression that the pact between the two countries is forcing banks to end relationships with some of the account holders.

Unlike resident Indians who are beneficiaries of trusts that have accounts with Swiss banks, holders of numbered accounts are on a more shaky ground.

While trust beneficiaries are likely to argue before the tax department and court of law that their names were included without their knowledge and that they received no funds from the trust, numbered account holders are in a more vulnerable situation because such accounts are not opened under the Reserve Bank of India's liberalized remittance scheme — the only official channel that allows individual resident Indians to operate offshore bank accounts and purchase stocks and properties abroad.

In the absence of any specific direction from the Swiss government following a criminal probe or a large-scale investigation, Swiss banks can hold back details such as name, address and passport number of a customer who is no longer an account holder.

"The challenge for these customers is to move the money to some other destination without leaving a trail. Often, the preferred location in such cases is Dubai where the money is parked in the account of a new company incorporated in one of the free trade zones...there is some comfort for the bank as well as a client once an account is closed," said a senior professional specializing in offshore trusts and investments. "We are noticing a sense of discomfort among some of the banks when it comes to Indian names in numbered accounts. Even if they are NRIs, banks are not sure whether these individuals have paid tax in the foreign country where they have been residing," he said.

Even a dormant account with zero balance can prove troublesome as one of the persons who figures in the list of Indians having accounts with HSBC Geneva has realized. The tax office has raised a claim on him on the basis of the minimum balance required for a private bank account together with the interest calculated since the day the account was opened. n a few cases the department has made high-pitched claims, where the income of an offshore trust was clubbed with the income of all the beneficiaries (who are resident Indians) in arriving at the tax demand. The HSBC Geneva list which came to light five years ago, along with subsequent information on Indians linked to firms and bank accounts in British Virgin Islands, boiled over into a political issue with the BJP manifesto promising to bring back undisclosed funds of Indians from Swiss banks. The HSBC list triggered raids and tax demands, often driving the income-tax department to try out ways to persuade the alleged account holders into confession. However, most individuals in the list have so far refused to admit that they have Swiss bank accounts.

  

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  • A. S. Mathew, U.S.A.

    Fri, Oct 24 2014

    The vast list of the black money holders must be published in big print in all news media. Take the money from the business people and the politicians and invest to uplift the poorest of the society which is 400 million people.

    The business people must be penalized heavily but the politicians must be penalized heavily plus jail sentence for a few years for looting the national wealth.

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  • Mohan H Naik, Mangaluru

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Mr.Modi is capable to achieve, This is my opinion looking at his 100 plus days as PM of India.

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  • simple, bangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Desi Jawan

    I wonder where the fraudsters learnt to destroy evidence methodically.
    It takes two do that like it take two to tango....
    After that they can become famous in politics...

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  • concerned 1, bangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Ab ki bar Kala Paise ki Sarkar..

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  • Ranjith, udupi

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Atleast Adani can cash out and hide his black money in shipping containers and stock them in the Port also baba ramdev can move his money to his Scottish island and bury it underground, but where will Gadkari hide his? His elephant size RSS chaddi can only hide so much......!

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  • J. N Lobo, Mumbai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Don't get fooled by this gvt and their internet karsevaks- they are only good for false propaganda. After resisting for more than 3 years previous UPA government had disclosed some names, mostly Gujratis: Rashmilal Mehta, Prabodh Mehta, Kirtilal Mehta, Manoj Dhupelia, Rupal Dhupelia, Mohan Dhupelia, Bhavya Dhupelia, Ambrish Dhupelia, Mirav Gandhi, Hasmukh Gandhi, Ishwerlal Gandhi, Madhu Gandhi, Chintan Gandhi, Ashok Jaipuria, Arun Kochar and Late KM Mammen Mappillai, Here, no names of big fish. The present government will keep hiding behind "technicalities" thereby giving sufficient time for the tax evaders to shift their treasure to more secure and inaccessible banks. At the most may disclose names of some small fish. We must remember that this process was started because of the stern order by the Supreme Court to the govt in the 1st week of June, this year, to give details of action taken to bring the black money to India within a week. The common man’s dream of getting about 15 lacs each will remain as dream only (‘Tirukana kanasu’).

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  • Jayaprakash, Mangalore/Dubai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Its only me or somebody else think they must be Ambani's, the chors of India

    DisAgree [3] Agree [19] Reply Report Abuse

  • Jayaprakash, Mangalore/Dubai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Hope all these talking politicians reveal everybody's name. Please no more "Ullu banawing"

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  • Mahendra Shetty, Mumbai Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014


    THEY KNOW WHO IS RULING NOW....

    NOT CHOR UPA AND ITS NDA LED BY POWERFUL SHER MODIJI....

    SO NOW THEY ARE WARY , WHY THEY WERE NOT WARY IN PAST 10 YEARS HA?

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  • Jayaprakash, Mangalore/Dubai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Mr Capslock, they are worried because NDA sponsors name are there ! Use your brain at least sometime dude !

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  • FLAVIAN DSOUZA, CHIK/ANAGLORE

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Adani group!!all transactions will come out !!will be scam of scams scams in history just wait and watch.

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  • John, Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Who has the list now? Why are they quiet? It looks like they want to give enough time to clear their close ones by warning through the bank. We fools are waiting for black money to come. Politicians are saying coming, coming, coming,.................... as if from other planets. Finally babuji ka t###u! All political parties are together hand in gloves.

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  • CYRIL MASCARENHAS, KIREM/MIRA ROAD/DUBAI

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    WHY ONLY SOME INDIANS..?MEANS ONLY BJP PEOPLE..?BEFORE DISCLOSING THE NAMES ,BLACK MONEY WILL BECOME WHITE..

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  • Francis, Moodbidri/Dubai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Undu Ajji kathe pandi lekka, dinola panoduller ..... aandalaaa mugiyuna thojuji......

    Nana eth dina Jaitley kathe panuvena aa Deverge gothu.....

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  • S.M. Nawaz Kukkikatte, Dubai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014


    By the way, bhai kala dan kab ayega?

    White'tu Background Night'tu Night'tu
    Night'tu Color'ru Black'ku

    Why This Kolaveri Kolaveri Kolaveri Dee?

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  • Rajesh Shetty, Mlore Shj

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    FINALLY SWITZERLAND IS ALSO MODIFIED. THIS TIME THEY KNOW THEY CANNOT FIX THE INDIAN GOVT UNLIKE UPA.

    SHAME ON YOU CHADDILESS SADAKCHAAP DONGIS. YOU COULD NOT DO WHAT MODI DID IN 4 MONTHS DESPITE BECING IN POWER FOR DECADES AND NOW CRYING SOUR OVER THESE DEVLOPMENTS. KEE UP YOUR FEKUGIRI ANYWAYS, FORM MAY 16TH TO OCTOBER 19TH IT HAS ONLY HELPED US TO GROW AND YOU SINK. GOOD BYE.

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  • Sudhakar, Kallianpur

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Duffer is who poke his nose everywhere, but not bothered to write a single comments against the rape case happened in his own state (Panaji: Russian molested on beach - and by doctor)

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  • N.M, Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    @ sudhakar - rapes and drug abuse is taking place in Goa because of BJp governments failure.

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  • Ashwin, Kudla

    Fri, Oct 24 2014

    N.M, Mangalore

    Little children are being raped in schools in Karnataka and ur congress party is doing nothing about it!

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  • Ramesh S, mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    ..MODI govt sent shock wave to present black money holders & to be black money holders..funny to see Scamgess acting like rattled rat & still some supporters clinging on scamgress even after bruised in LS & ASSEMBLY elections..

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  • Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    FEKU PROMISED 15 LACS TO EVERY VOTER FROM BLACK MONEY - KYA BAP KA MAAL HAI KYA - INDIAN VOTER GOT FOOLED AND VOTED ...

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  • KKR, Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    BAAP KA NHAI DHAMADH KA MAAL HEY!!!SASU MAA SEE POOCHNA PADEGA KIDAR CHUPA KE RAKHA HEY SAARA MAAL!!!!!

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  • WASIM, UDUPI/DUBAI

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    THESE NDA PEOPLE WILL NOT DISCLOSE THEIR PARTY PEOPLE NAME....THESE PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO PLAY DIRTY POLITICS....INDIA'S FUTURE IS IN THE HANDS OF CRIMINALS...WHERE THEIR 80% LEADERS ARE MURDERERS...WHO KILLS THEIR OWN WIVES.....

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  • Sudhakar, Kallianpur

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Mr. Wasim.
    What you are telling? INDIA'S FUTURE IS IN THE HANDS OF CRIMINALS.

    Then what you are doing in Dubai. Quit the job, come to India and do your "ALILU SEVE" to save this country from criminals. Can you? No!

    Bhashana korre baari sulabha..

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  • WASIM, UDUPI/DUBAI

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    SUDHAKAR.

    TELL ME HONESTLY....DONT BJP PEOPLE HAVING ALL THE MINISTERS CRIMINAL RECORD?....DONT GO FAR...TAKE AN EXAMPLE OF UDUPI AND SHIMOGA...

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  • Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    after all this some duffers still have faith in FEKU ...

    DisAgree [23] Agree [40] Reply Report Abuse

  • KKR, Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    jossybhai..some Indians means P##PU and company !!

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  • vinay, mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Not only few, the whole nation is with our PM Modiji and we have faith on him. Only few duffers like you are having faith in DONKEY Congi Italian Waitress and Pappu and all other nakli gandhis who looted our country since 60 years....Keep smiling!!!!

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  • Dr S Kamath , Mumbai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    3 Truths about Swiss Bank accounts .1. Hon Supreme Court had told UPA Govt to make a SIT for Black money as back as in 2011 But UPA Never did it Modi did it on Day 1
    2.Now that Swiss Bank is asking people to transfer funds some where else same might have been done during the UPA regime of which no details are available
    3. Except for some Chors no supporters exist for Dongies now on this Black money issue

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  • Roshan P D'Mello, M'lore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    @ Dr. Kamat,

    During LS 2014, Mr Rajnath Singh / Modi promised to bring back every penny of black money sitting abroad within 150 days
    of coming to power, and
    that of Mr Modi of attributing such money to every citizen to the tune of Rs.15-20 Lakh
    per person. Modi/BJP must fulfill what he promised.

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  • Roshan, Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    1. As per directions of SC, Since the SIT was to be formed just few days prior to election, UPA informed court, it is better for new govt to form the SIT Or else it could be viewed with suspicion. Dont think facts bother anyone anymore. But they as a matter of fact.

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  • Raj, Bangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Roshan, Mangalore...Unluckily UPA was unable to form SIT as directed by Supreme court in 2011. Check your facts first don't write rubbish here.

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  • Roshan P D'Mello, M'lore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    @ Raj, Do u know something about United Nations Convention Against C
    orruption (UNCAC), Listen to your own S. Swamy's lecture & then conclude. It is indeed surprising to see that the BJP/ Modi/Jaitley is disregarding the UNCAC, rather than using it to its benefit & prosecute those who possess il
    licit money. #AskSubramanyamSwamy @swamy39

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  • Desi Jawan, Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Ever since the new government took over, many of the accounts must have got closed or moved to other secure locations. These are all seems to be an eye wash as the time lapse over five months are more than sufficient for the fraudsters to destroy all the evidences and trail. Is it not the government and public are now fooled by Swiss banks in a deceiving manner? Instead of sending the statements, the black money held banks are asking their customer to move out and hide it elsewhere! What an honesty in safeguarding the corrupt by the Swiss government and its banks!! Shame on you Swiss banks and your policies!!

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    What is the Balance.
    National Dongi Alliance
    Disclosing not Reliance.

    BJP's are fishing in the troubled Waters.

    KAALA KAALA CHAAI....
    KAALA KAALA CHAAI....
    KAALA KAALA CHAAI....

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  • Ashwin, Kudla

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Ullu ke Patte Alliance. 60 years of looting.. Scamress No.1 in black money. Everyone knows the truth, you all can disagree with my comments

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Dear Ashwin, Kudla

    hahahahaha....

    GOOD TO SEE YOUR FRUSTRATIONS...

    You are correct the BJP's are Dongi and ulluka patte by ullubanaving only they came to power.

    CITIZENS DIDN'T ALLOWED THEM TO RULE AND FOOL SINCE 60 YEARS.

    I HAVE ALREADY DISAGREED AND MANY HAVE DISAGREED TO YOUR COMMENT BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN DAIJIWORLD KNOWS:

    BhaaratiyaJaanuvaarParty.

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  • Rajesh Shetty, Mlore Shj

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    And every body in India knows about your party, that's why they gave that mandate on May 16th and October 19th. By the by , what are those numbers ??? 40..41...43..44, something like that right ?. Please continue your fekugiri anyways. It will keep helping us.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Everybody knows Donkey was chosen by the illiterates and illiterate fools.

    Just like diamond was given to the swine.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Dear Rajesh Shetty, Mlore Shj,

    And everybody knows they chose a donkey who adopted all the policies of Congress to implement.

    Karsevaks are still in job in the web and pub cleaning the tub girega duffer dubbb.

    KAALA, KAALA CHAAI......

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  • geoffrey, hat hill

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    This is what you call shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

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  • N.M, Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Pls search online for - "Five big U-turns the Modi government has already made"

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  • J. N Lobo, Mumbai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    "Ab Ki Bar U-Turn Ka Sarkar"

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  • Vinay, Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Dongi Donkey Congi supporters just open your eyes and see what is happening...
    Modiji, hats off to you sir! We need you as PM of India forever....

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  • N.M, Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Let feku answer from which bank account did he withdraw approx Rs. 10,000 crores for his 'Kacche Din' election campaigning?

    Also check today's paper or online for the 390 acres of forest land which Fekuminister has given Adani Group in Gondia as Diwali Gift.

    Please check 17 scams which Modi didn't allow Lokayukta to probe.

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  • KKR, Mangalore

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    no doubt it must be from V#D#R&co Account!! ..very simple

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  • Jayaprakash, Mangalore/Dubai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    So KKR, you are saying you guys (BJP and Congress) are all the same, and continue the "Ullu banawing "

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  • Jayaprakash, Mangalore/Dubai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Vadra may have account in Gujrat only, no Lokayukta you see ! And who knows what is the fekus relation with him !

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  • Samson Rebello, Kallianpur/Dubai

    Thu, Oct 23 2014

    Nice to know, something is happening. Modiji finish this issue for once and for all.

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