KRISHNAMURTHY, COCHIN

hi helen dsa,
please specify you knowing doctors name, public can understand which doctor is good/bad...did you seen below comments Dr S Kamath, Mumbai,His monthly expences?????? y not not possible leave maximum 15000-20000/-month.y go hi-fy life?

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helen dsa, mangalore/uk

dear readers,all doctors are not bad.there are few doctors who i know very well who are for patients and they have feelings for the patients.if anyone wants to go to those doctors i will definitely suggest their names.they are working in mangalore in university medical centre.so please dont blame the doctors all the time.they too have heart ,feelings and family.

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dr. jaya, mangalore

Without knowing the truth people how can you criticise someone.Will a rickshaw driver a poor passenger free or will a shopkeeper provide free provisions to any poor coming to their shops.will a hotelier giv free food to any one? Then how can people judge a professional without knowing any thing about his field of work and the consequences of a situation. Goverment facilities are available to help the people who really cant afford. You cant go to a hotel and drink tea/coffee and when you are presented a bill say its not acceptable. Wil you gather people to make noise.patients who come in a serious condition needing emergency care will be attended to by the doctors to the best of their ability regardless of the cost or outcome. They too are humans not God.about hospital bills , try buying medicines, oxygen, fluids etc on your own from pharmacies and companies! it doesnt come free. Least of all the effort that goes in to trying to save the patient. Believe me nobody feels more happy than the doctor himself when the patient recovers and goes home. The reverse is true when patient doesnt make it. Commenting this way will demoralise the doctors . For people who cant effort so much concessions are made if asked for. But creating bad publicity and creating a scene with the ever ready goons who appear from no where with media tagging along is no way out. That too without knowing the truth about the situation. We need to remember this is a noble profession and has its costs

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KRISHNAMURTHY-COCHIN, COCHIN

Hi kiran....
My subject is we are not to say do your service free of cost. But should be charge to paintent under limit. All your monthly expenses and your family entertainment cost/house loan cost etc these all expenses don't put on coming paintent.
Your service should be good to public.Public trusting you,but you peoples cheating to trustig peoples how its react??????think well........

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kiran, mangalore / mangalore

Its very nice to see so many comments of different professional people,, all of them commenting that doctors have to worship their work, if all of them worship their work then who is going to feed them, any proffession may be IT, BT, doctors, bankers, engineers, manual labourer, no one works for free,if all worship their work,, u go to hotel they dont serve u for free, go to market to buy vegetables u need to pay, even to temple we need to pay for the pooja.... if u all people are concern in this case, please try to visit any hospital near your workplace and try to spend 1 day of week to help the poor in the wards...it is very easy to comment on unknown topics from one point of view,, i would like to ask the people who have commented on this topic to kindly join me in going to mangala hospital to find out what happened in this case...

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Rolita, Mangalore

Rat fever comes with various components.Pulmonary (Lung) , hematological( Blood). when lungs fail patient is to be put on ventilator
because he goes for what is called as ARDS because for cost purpose we cant let the patient breathe just spontaneously
Then come the Blood problem where they have coagulation problem which means blood fails to clot and patient will be continuously bleeding. Due to these problems the patients goes through Multi organ failure
So u see how much Docs have to go through just to pull the patient out from this problem.
Ards is a very difficult problem to treat but not impossible
So there are various things involved.
Mr Praveen i have been in a medical college trust me you dont want to know the state of the icu and the wards there
Before posting comments about corruption and blaming the doctors remember one thing tom you all will need them and have to trust them even before God

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Rolita, Mangalore

Guys grow up
why no one crys when paying huge sum of money on weddings,parties booze and all other unnecessary stuffs
when it comes to health its always a crying statement and words of abuse against the doctors
if someone survives doc r gods else they r dogs thts wrong
madam Asha pls dont comment without knowing the story well. its wht u have heard or read not wht u have seen. the truth of how much a doc undergoes to treat his pts i know.just checking on net and passing ghastly comments do no good madam
thank u

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trustindoctors, mumbai

Trust is the fundamantal part in doctor-patient relationship. Prior proper research it is not wise to jump the barrel. Leptospirosis with established ARDS, Multi Organ Failure is a critical condition with grave prognosis. World's best hopitals sometimes write off cases with so many confounding factors.As a doctor handling such cases let me assure u that expenses do not figure even in a periphery of our thoghts. The earnest attempt is to save a life.Dear readers, kindly check the credibility of these claims of negligence before targetting honest doctors who sacrifice a lot for their patients.

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anu, mangalore

This patient was brought to the hospital with leptospirosis (rat fever )and deep jaundice. He was in a serious condition and needed emergency care in ICU. His condition was explained to the patient and consent for treating got.He was put on ventillatory support and was looked after by emminent doctors . He had low platelet count and would hence bleed from even cannula site. Blood transfusions were given. Patient was also on dialysis as his urine output was less from the start. But the outcome of rat fever(leptospirosis) with multiorgan failure, bleeding disorder is poor. Yet doctors did their best inspite of the outcome hoping to, if possible save the patient. patients who have come early with this condition, have got well and have gone home too.this patient came critical and couldnt be saved inspite of sincere efforts. ICU care has expenses in a private hospital and this was explained to the patient in the beginning. Patient party had accepted and even said not to bother about cost and to try saving him.when patient expired they went for billing and then rest followed. They got Ramsene / bajrang dal people, who came along with the press. Police protection was asked for. Concessions are given on humanitarian grounds to many patients even otherwise. Patients hav even paid bills after going home on a later date.medicine is all about trust, humanity and best professional care. spreading false facts hurt the medical team

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Vincent, Kundapura

Watz going on in Kar-nataka? B'coz of money? shame on so-called Doctors. "Jago Nagesh Nayak Jago" Corrupted Govt

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l andrade, USA

Sorry to see the families loosing a family member, and then getting police involved in the incident during the time of sorrow. I do know that health care is also a business looking toward saving money. However, first priority is saving life. There should be a regulatory board in every state and regulate the medical costs for consumers. Regulatory board must include consumers too including the daily wage consumer. There should a website available freely to consumer include what can a medical facility can charge for a procedure. I think the best way out to get this out to consumer is TV and radio announcement on consumer education and available help. I do know there are no regulatory body to watch the practice of medical personnel in India. We are far behind in providing health care to the poor and needy, but we are far ahead in technology. I hope government will work towards helping poor and the needy too with health care grants. How about people voice this and bring a change to help others. This is only a suggestion and hope this helps.

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Dr S Kamath, Mumbai

KRISHNAMURTHY-MANGALORE, COCHIN,Thanks for your advise to cut down my expenses any way I just gave an example .Read the message fully and understand it properly .The Gist of the message is BUY A MEDICLAIM POLICY FOR YOU AND FAMILY TODAY ITSELF That is the ultimate message. I have seen hundreds of people dying in both Government and Private hospitals just because of Lack of Money .So Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee BUY A MEDICLAIM POLICY with Folded Hand Request

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Rose, Dubai

I have read all the comments and cannot believe that dead people are kept on oxygen in the ICU. The ICU unit has nurses attending to the patients and a death cannot be hidden. We should be careful when we write comments.

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Sumithra , Manipal

Acase of rat fever should have been treated in ateacing hospital and not in a small nursing home in the first place. This where things go wrong

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KRISHNAMURTHY-MANGALORE, COCHIN

I Am agree Asha j shetty comments...its true going on in Mangalore-udupi region...fight against this type of corruption in medical field....and
I am disagree Mr.Dr.S.Kamath, Why he is spending this much money in monthly expenditure...why not cost cutting in his life...change your life style....don't spend that's much money monthly. Look into poor think about their income, how they can spend money in your life style...your are unfit for Doctors filed, better search business field.Oneday you also lost life. Your money not saves your life. Some poor people can't earn 500perday also...why don't you think?????????

Asha we all are fight like this kind of doctors Dr.S.KAMATH), Dr.s kamath gee your profession one type of corruption...not for public service...your life service only for your life style...too bad kamath.
Wait and see coming 2012 is world is going ending. Your money not saves you n your loving family also. This not for you all doctors applied. You check in your tube they described world end 21.12.1973...world how its end. Spend some time to read world end article 2012.
Dr.S.KAMATH GEEE 1st you worship yours work filed. Then automatically you earn more money. other wise public will teach you....or anna hazare teams teach you your life style.Y you want spend this much money for monthly expencess..is it possible to spend middle class n lower class peoples???????? do think thier about possiblties....becasuse you peoples charageing this money on poor peoples/middleclas

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anna ramdev,

Dr Kamath plz dont fool the public here by counting your EMI which is paid for asset generation as ur expense. 40000 EMI is ur savings and not an expense. this is not ur medical term which we dont understand therefore are forced to believe.stop misleading general public

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KRISHNAMURTHY-MANGALORE, COCHIN

I Am agree Asha j shetty comments...its true going on in Mangalore-udupi region...fight against this type of corruption in medical field....and
I am disagree Mr.Dr.S.Kamath, Why he is spending this much money in monthly expenditure...why not cost cutting in his life...change your life style....don't spend that's much money monthly. Look into poor think about their income, how they can spend money in your life style...your are unfit for Doctors filed, better search business field.Oneday you also lost life. Your money not saves your life. Some poor people can't earn 500perday also...why don't you think?????????

Asha we all are fight like this kind of doctors Dr.S.KAMATH), Dr.s kamath gee your profession one type of corruption...not for public service...your life service only for your life style...too bad kamath.
Wait and see coming 2012 is world is going ending. Your money not saves you n your loving family also. This not for you all doctors applied. You check in your tube they described world end 21.12.1973...world how its end. Spend some time to read world end article 2012.
Dr.S.KAMATH GEEE 1st you worship yours work filed. Then automatically you earn more money. other wise public will teach you....or anna hazare teams teach you your life style
don't lookinto money side...1st save people...worship your service.little money more happy.

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N.M , Mangalore

Dear Dr. S. Kamath, I agree with your expenses, if you want to do service you can even lead a simple life by using public transport etc., that does not mean doctors and hospitals should keep the dead body to decompose to make money. Where is the Medical ethics here???? What oath all the medics take while graduating??? Is it aiming only to become rich by any means???

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Rudolf, Bantwal

Medicine is totally business oriented profession today. Even the so called charitable institutions are out to make money. As many have pointed out, majority of doctors resort to unethical practices by recommending unnecessary tests, operations, biopsies etc. and they get cuts for every test. Drug cos. offer them big cuts by way of gifts , sponsorship for conferences (which is nothing but a paid holiday abroad), paying petrol bills and what not. A bold and outspoken Dr. B. M. Hegde has to be heard to when he speaks the maladies in the profession. At the same time, I agree with Dr. Kamath when he cites the financial equation. Imagine, today, the capitation fee for postgraduate radiology seat is 1.25cr. How can the radiologist recover this amount without resorting to unethical practices in collusion with others. So in a way the entire system itself has gotten rotted due to entry of pvt. players backed by politicians. Insurance cos. too are aware that they are getting fleeced by unscrupulous doctors and only recently they have put a ceiling on payment disbursal for individual body part operations like cataract, gallbladder, etc. etc. It is ultimately the poor who suffer because it does not make any difference to the upper middle class and rich. But I would like to point out that Mangalore is relatively cheap compared to any other big city in India!!

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Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai / Mapusa

Railways, Flights, Ambulances, Roads, Suicides, Rape, Lokyakuta, Mining, Land……… and now HOSPITALS. I don’t think BJP is capable of running Karnataka.

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Rudolf, Bantwal

Medicine is totally business oriented profession today. Even the so called charitable institutions are out to make money. As many have pointed out, majority of doctors resort to unethical practices by recommending unnecessary tests, operations, biopsies etc. and they get cuts for every test. Drug cos. offer them big cuts by way of gifts , sponsorship for conferences (which is nothing but a paid holiday abroad), paying petrol bills and what not. A bold and outspoken Dr. B. M. Hegde has to be heard to when he speaks the maladies in the profession. At the same time, I agree with Dr. Kamath when he cites the financial equation. Imagine, today, the capitation fee for postgraduate radiology seat is 1.25cr. How can the radiologist recover this amount without resorting to unethical practices in collusion with others. So in a way the entire system itself has gotten rotted due to entry of pvt. players backed by politicians. Insurance cos. too are aware that they are getting fleeced by unscrupulous doctors and only recently they have put a ceiling on payment disbursal for individual body part operations like cataract, gallbladder, etc. etc. It is ultimately the poor who suffer because it does not make any difference to the upper middle class and rich. But I would like to point out that Mangalore is relatively cheap compared to any other big city in India!!

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William , Mangalore

I completely agree with Asha . J. Shetty. Very rightly said. The doctors easily cheat innocent poor peoplw with thier polished talk, now a days some hospitals are business places rather than serving the humans with genuine cahrges.

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mahesh, mangalore

The relatives should have conducted a post mortem to ascertain the time of death.This would have brought the hospital to book.

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K. Fernandes, Mudarangadi/Dubai.

You are 100% correct Ms Asha J Shetty. It seems Dr.S.Kamath is in favor of the said hospital or he too has the same practice. God save the people from these type devils.

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Dr S Kamath, Mumbai /Mangalore

Asha J Shetty, Mangalore,I want to give an exmaple like this please read The Cost of Flat in Mangalore is Rs 35 Lacs and If I take Loan the EMI will be Rs 40,000 Per Month .The School Fees for 2 children will be Rs 2,000 Per Month ,Cost of Petrol for the car is Rs 15,000 per month .Electricity bill Rs 1500 per month ,Telephone Bill Rs 1000 per month .Food and other costs Rs 8,000 per month Total per Month I need Rs 67,500 to lead a decent Life

How is this possible If I dont charge even Rs 500 per visit in Inpatient hospital ??and Note there is no savings here just cost .so the solution is go for MEDICLAIM INSURANCE rather than blaming Doctors .

Indian Medical costs are the Least in the world .You have to Just pay Rs 1000 per year for Rs 1,00,000 Medical Insurance Cover .Had this patient gone for insurance the whole Money would havebeen paid by Insurance company .Now days it is Total Cashless .The Company directly pays the hospital .That is how system works in Mumbai

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Bulsam, Mangalore

In modern India the hospitals, the schools, the colleges etc run by the business entrepreneurs are all a big blood suckers. They misuse their authority and exploit the innocent needy victims. There is no control over their functioning and there are no surprise inspections to check whether such enterprises are well equipped with need facilities, they should come under RTI act etc.

The inspecting team on these enterprises should get the feedback from the patience/ students and all the negative remarks should be placed in record and remedial actions should be initiated.

There should be an independent commission to check such enterprises and the Govt should pass a bill so that such enterprises should be made to reserve 30% of their facilities to the Poor BPLs with 10% preference to the needy people around the region of the establishments.
Jai Hind!

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Anil, India

My Father had a cataract operation in this hospital. This was done by an eminent ophthalmologist on a day case basis. The hospital Medical officer wanted to admit him for 2 days for no reason- Obviously to collect money- I flatly refused and took him home. Shameful!!. We need a Anna Hazare in the Medical field.

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Dr S Kamath, Mumbai

A Siliar type of Case in Mumbai would havebeen not less than Rs 2 Lacks in even a Nursing home in Mumbai .One of my Relative has underwent Spine Surgery in Mangalore by Famous Dr Muralidhar Pai and the Cost was jusr Rs 25,000 the same would have cost not less than Rs 2 Lacs in Mumbai .

Mangalore is one of the the Best Health care centre in India with 4 Medical Colleges around and many Tertiary care Hospitals around .The Media should highlight the great works done by our Doctors from Mangalore rather than BADKAUING THE PUBLIC

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Francis, Mumbai

Anna Hazare went on hunger strike to wipe out corrution from the root but sad to see that Educated people are more into corruption then the uneducated. How can any one fight corruption when the corruption has become the first religion of India.

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Donald Roche, Mangalore/Bolar

Asked to pay then agreed to hand over the body without demanding the said amount really can't understand what went wrong. I knew one patient who used to go for dialysis in this hospital and concerning doctor had shown lot of concession. But here unbelivable incident.

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praveen, mangalore

Mangalore has the lowest health care cost probably in the world.one will know only if u step out of mangalore for any treatment. for serious illnesses it is better to use facilities of five medical colleges which are cheaper and have better equipped i c u .by the way every day at least five people re dying of rat fever in our district and the media is also sleeping on it rather than drawing govt attention.God knows when statistics submitted to death registrar are analysed.

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kvkamath, Mangalore

If the body was really in decomposed state while receiving it, what kind of treatment could have that hospital offered to the patient.Why is district health officer silent? Is he inspecting all hospitals and nursing homes regularly?

Extracting money from the family/patient this way doesn't taste good. No great difference between a robber who threatens life of a weak individual to extract wealth.This hospital should be scanned regularly by the concerned,if this news is true.

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Asha J Shetty, Mangalore

All over India private hospitals doing a business rather then service. If any patient visit hospital the doctors unnessaraly do a major test like blood test Kidney test, angiography etc, etc, that test this test and looting poor patients buy saying u have this sikness that sickness and admit in the hospital and demand for the security deposit of huge money.

This kind of business going on but public will obey the doctors and do all. Finally if patient dies they will not inform theire family members. They will force the patient party to pay the advace bill amount. After paying they will tell the patient party that is patient is very serious and for the further invistigation u need to pay the operation cost or else u can take the patient to the big hospital all this is the drama from the doctors of the some private hospitals.

So Public should lock out all this business in the name of hospital. Wake up people and fight for the illigal hospitals thoes who do the business. Anna Hazare fighting againt corruption same way genral public we will fight against these kind of private hopitals.

Wake up people we all know specially in Mangalore and Udupi there are many hospital came up in the name of good servise. But this is not the servise this is the doctors business. High imcome generating business. Govt should invistegate all the hopitals and doctors and stop this business.

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Elias D Souza , Hospet/ Sharjah

This is common story in Mangalore, all the Hospitals do the samething. Sometime they say that the person is in ICU for giving Oxygen, even though he is dead. becasue they need only and only money. no social service

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Tony Francis, Udupi

These sort of cases we have been hearing from many many hospitals in and around Mangalore and Udupi districts for the past recent years. People and the relatives of deceased thereafter grumble, curse the hospitals/doctors and ultimately keep quiet, saying the person they have lost cannot come back.

Therefore, these hospitals take advantage and continue doing the samething with others as well, since they know that nothing is going to happen. Moreover during this stage (after a patient has breathed his last) no relatives are allowed to go into the IC ward to see the patient,until they his death.

I hope at least now, many who have undergone such cases, will share their experience.

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