Ram's birthplace Ayodhya is in Pakistan, says book


Hyderabad, May 8 (IANS): Ayodhya, the birthplace of Hindu warrior-god Ram, is in Pakistan, claims a book by a top Muslim leader.

Ayodhya in Faizabad district of Uttar Pradesh is not the original city by the same name as it was inhabited by human beings only in 7th century BC while Rama is believed to have been born 18 million years ago, says "Facts of Ayodhya Episode" authored by Abdul Rahim Quraishi, assistant general secretary of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB).

Quoting research papers of Jassu Ram and other archaeologists of the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI), the book reveals that there were two Ayodhyas - one which was built by King Raghu, great grandfather of Ram, and the second built by Ram himself.

"Jassu Ram in 'Ancient Geography of the Ramayana' says that both Ayodhyas are in Dera Ismail Khan district of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province (now Khyber Pakhtunkhwa)," says Quraishi, also president of Majlis Tameer-e-Millat, a socio-religious organization.

Quraishi, a key figure in the committee constituted by the AIMPLB to fight the Babri Masjid case, said Ayodhya in Faizabad district was known as Saket in 7th century BC.

In all probability, Hindus in 11th century CE gave the name of Ayodhya to the town. They also gave names connected with Ram Katha to various areas of the town.

The writer says that if the present Ayodhya was the birthplace of Ram, it would have been mentioned in Ramayana of Tulsidas, who penned the epic in 1574 CE in Ayodhya. Tulsidas wrote Ramayana during the time of Mughal emperor Akbar, the grandson of Babar.

"If Babri Masjid was constructed by demolishing a temple, he would have mentioned this," Quraishi told IANS.

He believes all these evidences may be produced during the hearing of the case in the Supreme Court, where the AIMPLB has challenged the 2010 verdict of the Allahbad High Court on the Babri Masjid title suit.

The Urdu version of the 82-year-old leader's book has hit the stands. The English translation is expected to be published soon.

Quraishi pointed out that the excavations undertaken by Banaras Hindu University and ASI and those on the orders of Allahbad High Court found nothing to prove that a temple existed there. There was no objection by Hindus when Babri Masjid was constructed in 1528.

He referred to a 1855 incident in which 'bairagies' (Hindu ascetics) returned Babri Masjid to Muslims after occupying it for some days.

It was in 1885 that a Mahant filed a suit for permission to construct a temple on chabutra or platform in the outer courtyard of the Babri Masjid claiming it to be the birthplace of Ram.

The sub-judge of Faizabad, Pandit Hari Kishan, on Dec 24, 1885, refused to give permission. Neither Mahant Dharam Das in his plaint stated nor sub-judge, a Hindu Pandit, remarked that Babar built the mosque at a scared place of Hindus.

The author said the Allahbad High Court decided the Babri Masjid title suit on the basis of belief. "The findings of the three-judge bench are patently wrong. In 1855, the Hindus of Ayodhya did not believe that the Babri Masjid stood on Ram Janmasthan."

The book has dealt in detail with developments leading to the night of December 22, 1949, when idols of Ram and other gods were planted in Babri Masjid.

Quoting extensively from the orders of various courts, reports of commissions and books, Quraishi has written in detail how the conspiracy was hatched by the Hindu Mahasbha and implemented by K.K.K. Nayar, the then deputy commissioner-cum-district magistrate.

The Babri Masjid was demolished by a mob of Hindu zealots on December 6, 1992, and and a makeshift shrine was constructed on its debris.

  

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  • Akarshad, Dubai

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Whatever Happens By these Fekus, Or Chediiless Agendas... No problem.


    RAM MANDIR will be built at Ayodhya At any Cost. JAI SHREE RAAM

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  • KS,

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Akarshad, Dubai
    pity on all bhakts that till Hindu mahasabha told them about Ram's birth place no single bhakt was aware of his god birthplace.
    It is complete political agenda.. In ayodya total 14 temple claims Ram born in their temple- it is money issue so that maximum bhakts come there.
    One party tells Ram was born in masjid- it is political agenda.
    Actual facts will be revealed one day. till then dont kill people

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  • CHRIS, DUBAI

    Sat, May 09 2015

    this is a trickery to deviate people from the main objective of building a ram mandir in ayodhya Uttarpradesh ,people should be smart enough to know this lie,they try all possible ways to deceive others for their agenda.

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  • varun, mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    sanathan dharma is eternal..gives liberty to find truth.. teaches action and consequences.. karma theory.. tells about rebirth theory, which of late cynical west is interested to explore.. does not ask any one to be killed or punished for not believing in god.. does not harm people if they question the very existence of god,, there is just no comparison between sanathan dharm and self claimed peaceful religion!

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  • TTS, Kadri

    Sat, May 09 2015

    ಆದಷ್ಟು ಬೇಗ ಪಾಕಿಸ್ತಾನ ಭಾರತದಲ್ಲಿರುವ ಪರ್ಕಟ್ ಚಡ್ಡಿಗಳನ್ನು ಘರ್ ವಾಪಸಿ ಮಾಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳಲಿ. ನಾವು ಜಾತ್ಯತೀತ ಹಿಂದೂ ಮುಸ್ಲಿಂ ಕ್ರೈಸ್ತರು ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಶಾಂತಿಯಿಂದ ಸಹಬಾಳ್ವೆ ಮಾಡುತ್ತೇವೆ,

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  • Salam, Mumbai

    Sat, May 09 2015

    When Nagpur HQ flag changing to green?

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  • Mohidin, Manglore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Good information, Sadhwi Balika on her last visit to Mangalore to attend Samajothsava, mentioned about building a Ram Temple in Pak, she may aware of the truth, Keep it up Balika

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  • N.M, Mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    As per archaeologists of the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI), the book reveals that there were two Ayodhyas - one which was built by King Raghu, great grandfather of Ram, and the second built by Ram himself.

    Jassu Ram in 'Ancient Geography of the Ramayana' says that one Ayodhya is in Dera Ismail Khan district of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province.


    Advani and his chuddy bhakts can start another rath yatra to pakistan...."Mandir hum wahi banayenge".

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  • Vantage Point, mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Meanwhile Advani recently got a gift of prasadam from katasraj temple in pakistan from paki envoy abdul basit ...

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  • Jamal, Mangalore/UAE

    Sat, May 09 2015

    The other day Mulayam Singh Yadav wanted the creation of Maha Sangh (united India, Pakistan & Bangladesh). Good idea it will be easier for all the senas to unite and build a bhavya mandir in Pakistan.

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  • Mak, Udupi/Udupi

    Sat, May 09 2015

    So now chaddis will say PORKISTAN. They will say Holy Pakistan.

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  • N.M, Mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    khaki chuddy bhakts and sadhvis will start applying for Paki visa inorder to build another Ram Mandir in pakistan...

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  • Arif, Udupi/Kuwait

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Very good opportunity for Mr. Advani to start another rathyatra. This way he can fulfill the desire of becoming PM of India.

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  • JJ,

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Why no hindu scholar come to debate if he has any proof? Infact Ratyatra leader LKA himself distanced when someone challenged him... Only politics..but till when?

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  • abhyankar, mumbai

    Sat, May 09 2015

    JJ why debate and with whom?

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  • vinay, mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Please do not comment in this issue, Jossie will give the clear picture of this after discussion with Mr Obama at the white house.

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  • The Guru, Mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Abdul Rahim Quraishi

    We don need your preaching on other religion and thier gods, coz Sanathan dharma existed even before your Mohammed Peace be upon him was born.

    Note: By your logic then Mohammed Peace be upon him was born in America or Arabian Sea???

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  • Vantage Point, mangalorem

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Guruji...Muhammad (peace be upon him) was born in arabia west of arabian sea and east of americas we dont have any doubt in it...But his religion spread throughout arabian sea coz we dint consider sailing in sea as taboo...:-)
    And also in americas(U.S.A) it is gaining ground now it is second largest community outpacing jews coz of local converts.,I will not go into other part of americas..:-)
    Ancient hinduism has a history around 1500-1700 b.c not earlier than that coz first text on hinduism can be found only on that time ,preferably the region bordering south of afghanistan...only later it spread to Indian subcontinent..Ramayana,mahabaratha,geeta are all later scripts.....there were other civilisation earlier than that like babylonian,mesepotomian,indus...etc.. So will not get into that...
    I dont know with what basis this scholar concluded rama's birth place is pakistan coz nobody is sure of it...I heard Rama's son ruled region in present pakistan...greatest sanskrit scholars Panini and ancient sanskrit grew in region surrounding fertile Indus river which is in present pakistan...may be he concluded his story on that...
    Meanwhile I love sanskrit language along with tamil...:-)

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  • Vincent Rodrigues, Katapadi/B'lore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Quite misguiding indeed.Better to make this place as holy land if it is true.

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  • sunill, bengaluru

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Usa prez Barack hussein obama always keeps lord hanuman locket in his pocket during all his official visits

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  • GABBAR, MILAN

    Sat, May 09 2015

    IT'S THE RSS WHO SUPPORTS PAKISTAN AND NOT THE INDIAN MUSLIMS.

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  • thomas, Dubai, Mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Manju Google! search engine

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  • GABBAR, MILAN

    Sat, May 09 2015

    THAT'S WHY LK ADVANI PRAISED JINNAH IN PAKISTAN.

    THAT'S WHY MUTHALIK OF RAMASENE WAS HOSTING PAKISTAN FLAG

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  • raghavendra m k, mumbai maharashtra

    Sat, May 09 2015

    HUM MANDIR WAHI BANAYENGE, this was dialogue of sangh pariwar when babri majid dispute started. now since ram birthplace place found in Pakistan let sanghis go there to construct ram mandir and take donation another time from people.

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  • anil, mumbai

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Now the chaddis will want to build two Ram Temples

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  • avinsh, mumbai

    Sat, May 09 2015

    something funny the people who don't know about themselves, writes about god's birthplace.

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  • Orton, Mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Very soon Krishna's birthplace alse revealed.
    Advani Pakistani
    Ram Pakistan
    ?????????????

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  • abdul samad, mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    ಅಡ್ವಾನಿಯ ಪಾಕಿಸ್ತಾನ ರಥಯಾತ್ರೆ ಯಾವಗ.?

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  • Aubb, Kuwait

    Sat, May 09 2015


    Very soon followers of Ram will start worshiping Pakistan....??!!

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  • MSSheik, kudroli/Dubai

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Nagpur HQ should intervene. Their lies are more believable.

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  • vinayak prabhu, mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Some stupid fellow wrote some book and you tell all hindus follow lie?

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  • Ashraf, Dubai

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Dear Vicky authentic translated copies are available everywhere and non Muslims are welcome to read it.

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  • ಭಾರತ ದೇಶಪ್ರೇಮಿ, ಮ೦ಗಳೂರು

    Sat, May 09 2015

    ಪರಿಸ್ಥಿತಿಯನ್ನು ಅನುಕೂಲಕ್ಕೆ ತಕ್ಕಂತೆ ಬದಲಾಯಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳಲು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲದಿದ್ದರೆ, ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ತಕ್ಕಂತೆ ಬದಲಾಗುವುದು ಬುದ್ಧಿವಂತಿಕೆ.

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  • moshu, Mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    If so , then partition of india have wrongly taken place.

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  • hans, udupi

    Sat, May 09 2015

    @Moshu
    Should this Muslim authors hand be chopped off, like the Kerala lecturer, since he has committed blasphemy and insulted my religious beliefs? If yes please contact your PFI to get the job done.

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  • moshu, mangalore

    Fri, May 08 2015

    bjp lost one of its agendas and for sanghis, hard time ahead.

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  • chinna, mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    because of this stupid writer?Is he knows his birth place and date.

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  • Ismail shaikh, Moodbidri

    Fri, May 08 2015

    Hindus believe that RAMA is God. If he is God why he is born to human being.That means human beings on earth born first before RAM's birth.very confusing to believe this logic.

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  • CHRIS, DUBAI

    Sat, May 09 2015

    YOUR CRAPPY LOGIC IS SENSELESS

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  • abhyankar, mumbai

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Ismail sheikh whenever you are not aware of any topic please don't comment. if anyone else say about your faith may get hurt may be you wont have tolerance . this way fight starts .

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  • Bagga, mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    You are right ismail, several people predate RAM. The Veda's itself predate him. However the Veda is not a Hindu theology on what to believe. Ram is simply an incarnate and an aspect of God. Don't compare your new found belief in Islam and it's logic with the hindu Dharma. Hindu Dharma comprises of several traditions and levels of divine law that provides a path to the same end goal that we all expect to be a part of. It would be silly if you asked what is the equivalent of circumsision in Hinduism ??. I hope you understand.

    Manipende eerna Byara mulpule saibere. ee bhakti da vishayadu kai padade.

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  • Shahul, Honnali

    Fri, May 08 2015

    Better give this to ACP Pradyumn. He will findout where exactly.....

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  • Salam, Mumbai

    Fri, May 08 2015

    Now world knows who is real pakistanis.

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  • Valerian D'souza, Udupi / Mumbai

    Fri, May 08 2015

    Ram's birthplace in India or Pakistan, is not that important but following his teaching.
    Some takes his name but follows Ravan.

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  • Don, Mangalore

    Fri, May 08 2015

    These sort of historians are a dime a dozen.

    .....and yeah Ram is now called Rahim ?

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  • Shahul, Honnali

    Fri, May 08 2015

    Now Pakistanis should go back

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  • Neil, Mumbai

    Fri, May 08 2015

    So what next for Sangh Parivar? Pakistan Chalo???

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  • Manju, Mumbai

    Fri, May 08 2015

    It is not Shree Ram's birthplace is in Pakistan But there are two cities in Pakistan named after Lord Ram's sons Lava and kusha.

    Lahore city name is from Lava
    and 
    Kasur  city name is from Kusha.

    Ordinarily all Pakistanis were Hindus before. The Moguls invaded and forcefully converted them to Islam with sharp sword.

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  • Kumar,

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Dull sword is painful for the skin brother.

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  • Manju, Mumbai

    Fri, May 08 2015

    It is not Lord Ram's birth place in Pakistan but his two sons names the cities Lahore and kasur are named after.

    Lahore is named after Lava and Kasur is named after Kusha. Both of these cities are part of today's Pakistan. 

    All Pakistanis were Hindus before and were forcefully converted to Islam by sharp Sword by Mogul invaders.

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  • Ismail shaikh, Moodbidri

    Fri, May 08 2015

    Manju
    Your comments are absolutely bull s#it.Grow up before fooling others.

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  • Vantage Point, mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Manju bhai....most of the muslim conversion in punjab or sindh is because of sufism....Ask any historian till today punjabis even non muslim punjabis admire sufis across the border...even today rich sufi song across subcontinent language are found in punjab of pakistan .You dont have problem with sufis right...only scared of kadga,trishul,gada,chakra...etc,All of your scripture and historic kings went with branch of olives to preach peace .is it....Vhe Vhe Vhe

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  • Sheikh M, Mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    Nanju, Mumbai
    Unrelated comment. Did any body asked you here their history?

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  • G Z T Kunte, Udupi

    Fri, May 08 2015

    So Ram is a Pakistani. Then Ravana must be Indian !
    But what about Sita & Hanuman ? From Lanka ?

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  • vellano1, Mumbai

    Fri, May 08 2015

    be it pakistan, aur indonesia or ayodhya! I am happy , as a muslim he atleast accepted this land belonged to Lord Ram somehow! ..they were negating his presence altogether! itte book barepper, onji dina mandira la kattuverappa! vhe vhe vhe...

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  • Vantage Point, mangalore

    Fri, May 08 2015

    If muslims were in need of temple they would have long built it we had hundreds of worthy personalities but we submitted to One god ...Why we have to build a temple on a person whose followers themself doesnt know whether such person existed...Vhe Vhe Vhe...

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  • GABBAR, MILAN

    Fri, May 08 2015


    OH, THAT'S WHY MUTHALIK OF RAMASENE WAS HOSTING PAKISTAN FLAG.

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  • habib, Mangalore

    Fri, May 08 2015

    ha ha well said

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  • Abdul Jabbar, Mangalore

    Sat, May 09 2015

    LOLZ..Gud1 Gabbar...

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  • Vicky D, Dubai

    Fri, May 08 2015

    It's nice to know people started reading Holy books of different faith. But unfortunately some people read the books just to find faults, criticize & twist its meaning.
    That's the reason Islam is prohibiting non-Muslims to even touch the Holy book!

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  • ABDUL RAFIQ, UCHILA / DUBAI

    Fri, May 08 2015

    SO NOW ADVANI RATHA YATHRA WILL BE EXPANDED TO PAKISTAN????????

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  • Langoolacharya., Belman/Washington,DC.

    Fri, May 08 2015

    ABDUL RAFIQ, UCHILA / DUBAI,

    Where Babar was born? In Afghanistan??

    ...JH...

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  • stan, dubai

    Fri, May 08 2015

    Now India- Now no need of military. India wanted to have Military to stop attack from our neighboring countries. Now VHP/Ram sena people will attack Pakistan and claim Ram's birthplace from Pakistan.

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  • PEDDU, MANGALURU

    Fri, May 08 2015

    CAN YOU MAKE IT SPECIFIC OR DECIDE WHERE HE WAS BORN EXACTLY AND WHICH YEAR !!

    DONT GO FOR ANOTHER DEBATE TO WASTE THE TIME AND ENERGY OF PUBLIC !!

    JUST PROVIDE THEM BASIC NECESSITY OF LIFE AND NOT THE BIRTH PLACE OF RAM WHICH IS IN PORKISTAN !!

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