BJP Opposes SC Benefits to Converted Dalit Christians & Muslims


BJP Opposes SC Benefits to Converted Dalit Christians & Muslims

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Daijiworld Media Network - Bangalore

Bangalore, May 4: At a time when the B S Yeddyurappa’s BJP government in Karnataka is rocked by the controversy over the alleged rape charges against the state’s food and civil supplies minister Hartalu Halappa, who had to quit over the issue, the party’s national spokesman Ramanath Kovind visited Bangalore to threaten a nation-wide agitation if the UPA government went ahead with the recommendations of the Justice Ranganath Mishra Commission on grant of the benefits of reservation to the converted Dalit Christians and Muslims by including them in the list of Scheduled Castes.

Kovind, who addressed a news conference in Bangalore on Tuesday, declined to comment on the Halappa sex scandal and merely said that the Yeddyurappa government will take appropriate action after the completion of the CID investigation report.  ``Action would be taken on the basis of the report after studying it,” he said declining to comment on why the government was dilly-dallying on arresting the former minister even after the registeration of a serious complaint of rape.

On persistent queries, the BJP national spokesman said the BJP government in the state had taken prompt action in asking the minister to resign and accepting it within hours of publication of a report in a newspaper. ``Have any Congress governments in any state taken such prompt action?,” he asked.

The BJP national spokesman demanded that the party would be launching a nation-wide agitation if the UPA government refused to reject the Ranganath Mishra commission report and granted SC benefits to Dalit Christians and Muslims.

The commission’s recommendation for inclusion of convert Dalit Christians and Muslims in the SC list in addition to the 15 % reservation to minorities under backward class quota in education, government jobs and social welfare schemes was totally unjustified.

The converts would also be eligible for political reservation in elections, thus reducing opportunities for the Hindu Dalits as they have to share their reservation facilities with convert Dalits, he said claiming that the educational level of convert Dalit Christians and Muslims was higher than the Hindu Dalits.

He said the recommendations of the Commission, if accepted, would on accentuate the The backwardness of Hindu Dalits and encourage conversions leading to the destruction of social fabric.

The BJP leader pointed out that various SC bodies including the National Scheduled Castes and Tribes Commission had rejected the demand for inclusion of convert Christians and Muslims in the SC list. Even the Supreme Court through its various judgements was of the opinion that convert Dalit Christians and Muslims cannot be equated with SCs, he said.

To a question of National SC Commission chairman Buta Singh’s  criticism that grave injustice had been done to SCs in the state, Kovind said the commission was visiting only non-Congress ruled states in order to tarnish their image. ``If the Commission says so, let the state government study (suggestions) and make amends,” he said.

Meanwhile, the Karnataka Pradesh Congress Committee Scheduled Castes Cell Chairman and former MLC, N Manjunath, at a separate news conference, lambasted  Chief Minister B S Yeddyurappa for his failure to re-constitute the high level committee under his chairmanship to monitor the cases of atrocities on scheduled castes and scheduled tribes.

Manjunath accused the BJP government of not being serious about the constitutional mandate to have this committee to reduce atrocities on Dalits and implement welfare measures to uplift them from poverty and ignorance. The Yeddyurappa regime has shown its utter neglect and callousness to the cause of Dalits by not holding even a single meeting of the high level committee on protecting the rights and interests of scheduled castes headed by him, which was enough to prove the government’s commitment to protecting the Dalits.

The Congress leader urged the state government to fill the backlog posts reserved for SCs and release funds allocated in his budget, meant for their welfare without delay.

He demanded constitution of a high level monitoring committee to look into all these issues. He felt the monthly payment of Rs 650 and Rs 450 for a Dalit inmate in a scheduled caste hostel, run by the Government and private organisations, respectively, which was insufficient when neighbouring Andhra Pradesh a sum of Rs 1,000 per student per month.

  

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  • piyush chauhan, allahabad

    Fri, Oct 08 2010

    i accepted their is some faults in the religion but the faults made
    by the people not by the religion u r our part it's true lot of things in this religion has been changed now no castesism followed only exception politics now a new trends developed we r hindu or nothing more or less please come back we are waiting to u

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Wed, May 05 2010

    Rajesh,

    I AM a tax-payer and am educated enough to ask how my money is spent, how rural development programs are effectively implemented, how BPL Indians are supported. Moreover, I come from a rural background, a farmer's family. If fooling people by BJP on religious basis will continue, very soon people will demand to give them power to do the rural development and seek tax compensation.

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  • A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.

    Wed, May 05 2010

    Mr. V.T. Shetty, since you have drawn my name, I am responding. I don't believe in arguments
    because any argument, whether based on politics or religion can heat up into serious confrontation
    of harsh words.

    First of all, get back to the roots of this Dalit issue. Who created the class called " Dalits".?

    Travancore (the current Kerala) was ahead of other States in literacy, but until Temple Entry
    declaration by the then Maharaj of Travancore in 1936, the lower class Hindus, including the Dalits
    were not permitted to enter the premise of a Hindu temple.

    The ruler made the decision under the influence of his Diwan Sri. C.P. Ramaswamy Aiyar, who was an
    overbearing type of personality but saw the mass exodus of low class Hindus to Christianity.

    BJP is using another strategy of of exclusively keeping SC reservations for the Dalits, as long as they remain under the  religion of Hinduism. Different relgions were born in various parts of the world, and it is upto each person to follow the relgion of their choice. The BJP, as a  Hindu religious party is using
    political leverage through SC reservations, and systematically barricading the Dalits from their free will to convert to Christian and Muslim faith. Why the BJP discriminate those religions?

    Mr. Shetty, I had the tenacity to worship with the black people four decades back while the racial rift was so wide, and I have hundreds of friends from the black community.

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  • Roshan, Mangalore

    Wed, May 05 2010

    BJP's hollowness is at spectacular display. These guys are bankrupt in every department.

    Reservation is to uplift a oppressed person. It does not matter which religion,caste or creed. It is to help him/her to get par with society.

    For BJP there is no human value, if they had, they may not have opposed it. Looks like even communists have better people centric policies than today's BJP.
    Pathetic. A sinking party is getting more stinking as well.

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  • Fredrick Castelino, Udyavara

    Wed, May 05 2010

    It is better to remove all the reservations. When the Govt. of India is giving reservation to Dalit Sikhs, what is the problem of giving the share to dalit Muslims and Christians? Both dalit christians and dalit Sikhs are having the same red colour blood. BJP government is partial in this regard. They should know that all the dalits are having the same blood and flesh.

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  • vrdesouza, Miyar/DXB/Los/NBO

    Wed, May 05 2010

    No need, all we want to see one India one common rule and one united country, no daliths (Hindu/Christian/Muslim) no minority(Christian/Jain/Budist/Parsi/Jews/Muslims and Hindus in some area) no cast/subcast etc no reservation (eligiility is the priority)

    then India will be truly INDIA

    VR Miyar

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  • A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.

    Wed, May 05 2010

    Sudhir, if a person is totally an "atheiest" he can get all the benefit of SC reservation! How you can explain it?

    A person can be of any religion or no religion, but when he makes up his or her mind to embrace either Christianity of Islam religion, they are isolated and their rights as SC reservation were totally curtailed.

    Let the readers respond to this issue, and finally we will get the result. It very hard for many people to see reason and logic, when they are totally brainwashed with a solid conviction whether it is right of wrong.

    Reservation must be given on the basis of economic conditions, and not on the basis of religious preference.

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  • T.K. Hamza, Kushalnagar

    Wed, May 05 2010

    No wonder this upper caste party is opposing the benefits for lower caste people, the ideology of BJP is disgusting

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  • V T SHETTY, Udipi/UK

    Wed, May 05 2010

    Mr Mathew. I hope in US or other part of the world u don't have Dalits Chritains. Tell me one thing If you are really interested in doing good for the people. there are millions of blacks in Africa who are Christians and not able to get proper meal.

    Just bcpz US and other Christians countries funded INDIA to convert all dalits and economically backward people.

    US would have funded these cash to poor Africans who are struggling. They are not doing it
    Bcoz they are already Chritains.

    Grow up Mate

    However, being said that I don't deny that Christians org has done a excellent job. Agreed thanks for all father and sister and nuns.

    Beside this u should also agree that there are some external extremist bodies of Christianity who says Hindu gods are false and trying to convert poor Hindu Probably u should clean this and then call yourself as secular.

    Now .. Dalit converting still call Dalit Christians and has a diff church. He is still has a low level place. In andra pradesh the priest class is always the upper class Christians ( chouwdriesbrahimsreddy converted) why is that . Lower class Christians have diff church why is that..

    Why in earth makes a converted dalit is dalit Christians in Christianity...?

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  • V T SHETTY, Udipi/UK

    Wed, May 05 2010

    Come mangaloreans.. grow up don't just talk like politicians. I seee some people talking about giving reservation for coverted. It's such a stupidity if the politicians really interested in giving reservation it should be on economic condition. Some people convert just for money. it's a business hate this happening in INDIA.I saw some people saying of BJP using religion for gaining vote even congress does the same there are many instances all the parties are same mate u cannot justify it's just the matter of power.

    I don't know why people after converting still called dalit I see lot of website says of dalit Christians. what the hell is these... dalit's in Christianity.my god.. end is near.

    thanks that there is one fellow from our mangalore who thinks like a secular.

    Antony Crasta thanks for your promt response.

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Wed, May 05 2010

    Fredrick correa,

    There aren't different Ration Cards to different fractions of people. Only those who come under BPL have a card to disclose their economic level and to avail rations.

    Anybody ? Correct me, I may be wrong. But Fredrick, why your question ?

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  • Nitesh R.M, Mangalore

    Wed, May 05 2010

    I support Keshava Puttur's views.Reservation should be abolished and we must promote equality and give impetus to 'system of merit'.Some sections of the back ward classes systematically exploit the 'reservation policy' for their personal gains. The bottom line is that we all Indians need a level playing field on then will this nation prosper.

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  • R S K Mangalore, Mangalore/Dubai

    Wed, May 05 2010

    Dear Shahnawaz Kukkikatte, I fully agree with your statement that reservation must not be based on cast system and if the reservation to be effective it must be based on economic condition. So called "Minority Dalits" if exist, is itself must be an eye opener to the so called minority dalits that their or their elders/forefathers committed a mistake.

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  • clara helen, muscat, mangalore

    Wed, May 05 2010

    I fully agree with the viewpoints written by A.S.Mathew, U.S.A. shahnawaz kukkikatte, dubai/udupi, B.M.ZAFFER, THONSE, DUBAI, Wilma Peris, Muscat. How sensible they are! There are so many poor intelligent students deprived of the education/jobs just because they are from upper casts. The cast system should be banned completely. Hats off to Oman! His Majesty irrespective of the casts suppots everybody. God bless him with long tenure!

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  • Shoukath Hussain, surathkal/Dubai

    Wed, May 05 2010

    The BJP govt. has been giving away huge sums of money to temples for various reasons like maintenance, renovation and restorations etc. We are a secular and democratic country. Religion is peoples' personal business. Governments should not support, oppose or interfere with religions. Also the CM is present in each and every temple function at the tax payers' cost. This should be stopped immediately. Let the BJP govt not interfere with the fundamental rights of poor, deserving citizens.

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  • Lancelot N Tauro, Mangalore/Doha Qatar

    Wed, May 05 2010

    BJP opposes againt humanity on religious basis. Where is BJP's minoriity Morcha agents.

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  • Keshava, Puttur

    Wed, May 05 2010

    In secular country India, reservation should not be based on any religion/caste. It should be purely based on the economic status of the individual family. Then only these kind of issues will get resolved. If it is continued based on caste system, only hatredness will increase in society.

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  • Nasir, Dubai

    Wed, May 05 2010

    In other words its like saying, No benefits to who ever connected with non hindu religion. What a shame BJP !!! In world war 2 there was only 1 hitler, but BJP is full of hitlers.

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  • Fredrick Correa, Nairobi, Kenya

    Wed, May 05 2010

    Just to deviate a little bit from the topic, could someone tell me if there are different ration cards based on the income of the family. If yes, is it working? Thanks.

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  • Rajesh, Barbados

    Tue, May 04 2010

    Oh good to know LL is paying tax to the Indian government. In fact its a great news. I was thinking its only the time that LL pay here! S MART people.

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  • Uday , Karkala/Sharjah

    Tue, May 04 2010

    Dear Sudhir,
    The points quoted are correct. As you said we don't want any reservations as per the caste. The poor peoples to be protected by all means. We have to abolish all reservations which is dampering our development and progress. If we want to be one of the developing nation in the speed track abolish all these which is made for the vote banks not for the country. All the citizen's of democratic india can enjoy the rights as per their capacity and capabality.

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  • ISMAIL K PERINJE, PERINJE/YANBU-KSA

    Tue, May 04 2010

    BJP is party of upper caste and certainly their stand is not surprising.BJP always playing with religion,caste,creed and that's why they were off from the ruling in centre.They have got chance to rule in Karnataka and we all are witnessing what's going on daily basis.

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  • Keshava, Puttur

    Tue, May 04 2010

    All our reservation system is fake. It creates more and more hatredness among the citizen of the country. If our nation is purely secular, then the reservation system must be based on the economical status of the individual (family) and not based on religion or caste. I have seen personally many people (SC/ST's) who have wealth worth over crores were paying school/college fees of their childern in the range of 50-100. The same, for a poor brahmin family is in thousands. Is there any justice in this?
    I strongly feel we need common civil code (if we really are a secular country).

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  • JOhn Wilson, Shamboor/Bangkok

    Tue, May 04 2010

    Hello BJP ! What is the meaning of democracy ?

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Tue, May 04 2010

    I agree with Wilma.

    The money that is given to the economically backward people, comes from us tax-payers contribution, not from BJP's pocket. If BJP can make reservations on religion basis, we will demand that people be given right to help poor people and submit records to get a tax deduction. I am sure BJP will not like this because it is aware how many christian charity centers as well as individuals will claim tax deduction and who will benefit from their services. So, let the system go as per economical scale, not on religion basis.

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  • George Olivera, Thirthahalli

    Tue, May 04 2010

    No political party could deny the benefits of the have-nots. Change of religioon does not alter the economic/socio status of the backward classes. More a political party opposes SC benefits to converted Dalit Christians and Muslim, more would they lose ground in the social fabric of the Indian Society.

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  • Sudhir, Kundapur/USA

    Tue, May 04 2010

    Mathew,

    Let me point some of the contradictions in your assertions
    1) You talk about reservation based on economics. Then why even talk about dalits. If it is purely economical then every poor person should be eligible. (Be it a Brahmin OBC Rajput Christian Buddhist Muslim Jain Parsee) Why only dalits and why only talk now of christian dalits and muslim dalits.

    2)You talk about people not converting because they will lose economic benefit. If the teachings of the religion were the sole basis then a person despite his economic impairments will convert. So taking this further it is pretty easy to bribe someone and convert.

    3) You say "Whether it is today or
    tomorrow, this religious discrimination has to be toally
    abolished." But the moment you talk about christian dalits or Muslim Dalit I think you assume a discriminatory tone.

    4)I am all for a reservation-less society. I even attended protest rally against reservation introduced by Arjun Singh. Are you ready to say no to reservations? Your whole message reads like a strong demand for more reservation.

    5) I would not like to talk about missionary activities here as I will be diverting from the topic but a good pointer would be southern baptist church and Nagaland

    Thanks

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  • Valson Mendonsa, Mangalore/USA

    Tue, May 04 2010

    Mr.Sudhir, Kundapur/USA,I doubt, probably you are pretending that you are in .U.S.A.
    Let me tell you clearly, anywhere in the world, any political parties are discriminating their citizens based on their religion, they are not called politicians, they are called "DIRTY POLITICIANS".

    In all western countries 99% of Indian population is Non-Christians,(Roughly about THREE Crores or 30 Millions) if they discriminate, do you think you would land up in U.S.A?  I respect every good politician BUT bad politicians I DON'T, no matter whatever party they belongs.

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  • Antony Crasta, Mangalore/Sydney,Australia

    Tue, May 04 2010

    I fully agree with the commentators above (Shahnawaz, Zaffer, Wilma and Mathew) when they say that grants, reservations and quotas etc. should be considered only on economic situation, irrespective of one`s caste, tribe, religion, etc. In other words, Hindus/Brahmins, Christians, Muslims, Dalits, etc., if they are poor and needy, and fall below a certain economic scale, they should be qualified to receive such facilities, and if they are rich and fall above the stipulated scale, they should not.

    As simple as that! As pointed out by Mathew/USA, we must follow the example of United States in this regard (and Australia and some other western countries as well), where they do not question one`s caste, tribe, religion, etc when they hand out the social security payments. It`s given purely on need basis.

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  • A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.

    Tue, May 04 2010

    Sudhir, thank you for your
    response.

    As Wilma Peris and B.M. Zaffer have pointed out, reservation has
    to be based on economic condition
    of an individual. BJP or any
    other party has no right to
    create a barricade to keep
    any human being to change their
    choice of religion or political
    party. That is the fundamental
    human right of every individual.

    I can't tell you exactly about
    the percentage of Dalits in
    Christian schools and colleges,
    but the Christian community has
    done far greater service to uplift
    the pathetic plight of the Dalits
    by giving them education all
    across India.

    BJP's policy to prohibit SC
    reservations to the Christians and
    Muslims is due to their fear of
    massive exodus to those religions
    when the anti-Christian/Muslim
    barrier is lifted. Mr. Sudhir,
    nobody can protect the erosion
    of a religion by playing political
    games. Whether it is today or
    tomorrow, this religious discrimination has to be toally
    abolished.

    Sudhir, you are living in the
    U.S. If you are helpless and when
    applying for food stamp or other
    federally funded social programmes,
    you are never been questioned about
    your religion or nationality. Let
    us learn that concept of treating
    human beings as human beings, not
    as political spade.

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  • Wilma Peris, Muscat

    Tue, May 04 2010

    A dalit is a dalit, irrespective of the religion he practices. Reservation rights should be equal to all dalits. Religion is the right of every citizen and this has nothing to do with his caste or tribe. A person can change his religion any number of times, but he cannot change his caste or tribe. Scheduled castes and tribes are not based on religion.

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  • Sudhir, Kundapur/USA

    Tue, May 04 2010

    Mathew,

    The basic premise of the reservation for the SC and STs were that they were discriminated against by the Hindu society. Now when they convert to other religion the discrimination part on which reservation is based is lost (Unless christians and Muslims accept that there is caste system in their religion as well).

    So I think BJP is right in opposing the reservation for the christian dalits.

    I have a question for you - We see lot of convents and missionary school - How many of them give reservation to christian dalits??


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  • A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.

    Tue, May 04 2010

    The B.J.P is not entrusted with
    the legal or ethical monopoly
    to dictate the pesonal right of a
    person to change his or her
    choice to the religion or
    political party. If a Christian
    or Muslim convert to Hindu faith,
    then they have the right to
    SC benefits, if a Hindu is converting to Muslim or Christian
    faith then they are not qualified.

    Let the people of India make a
    decision, and the BJP may learn
    a great lesson for using
    religious fervor for political
    gains!

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  • B.M.ZAFFER, THONSE, DUBAI

    Tue, May 04 2010

    Being a national party BJP must represent the whole society rather than a particular religion. Unless each and every citizen of a country have social & criminal justice, the development of a nation impossible. We must look the poor as an Indian than belongs to particular religion. Hope every politician understand their responsibilities towards the nation & respect the moral ethic which is above religion & cast. If any political party demand to consider a poor & rich, a criminal & civilized, an educated & illiterate on religion basis, being an Indian everyone reject such anti-indian agenda.

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  • shahnawaz kukkikatte, dubai/udupi

    Tue, May 04 2010

    Since day one of its inception, BJP which is a politial arm of RSS, is against Indian muslims and christians, be it converted. All present day Indian muslims or Christians are aborignal Indians who were converted to Islam/Christianity long back and certainly are not direct descendants of Arabs or Europeans.

    However, having embraced Islam or Christianity by these Dalits, they should very well understand that there is no caste system in embraced religions and their very being dalit status in their previous religion and subsequent low status in the society forced them to convert to other religions as a means to achieve equality and free from the social stigma associated with their dalit tag.

    These so called "Dalit muslims and Christians" should be given a share in the quota allocated to the respective minorities, if at all it is to be given on caste base. I feel reservation must be given on economic fators and caste should not be deciding fator for allocating funds. Only merit should be the ruling criteria. Thats it.

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  • bilal, riyad/karkala

    Tue, May 04 2010

    What they got is far far better than what you offer Mr. Yeddy

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