Bengaluru: High court refuses to stay government order on church, missionaries’ survey

Tue, Oct 26 2021 10:59:10 AM

Daijiworld Media Network - Bengaluru (SP)

Bengaluru, Oct 26: People's Union for Civil Liberties (PUCL)l has filed a public interest litigation (PIL) questioning the order of the government to conduct the survey of both official and non-official Christian missionaries, institutions and establishments functioning in Karnataka. The high court however, refused to stay the order dated July 7 issued by the directorate for minorities in this connection.

The division bench of the high court chaired by Chief Justice Ritu Raj Awasthi, and Justice Sachin Shankar Mugdam, which took up the PIL, heard the petition.

The bench which heard the arguments from both sides for some time, issued notices to the chief secretary of the government and director of the minority welfare department, giving them three weeks to file objections if any, before adjourning the hearing.

Advocates for the petitioners, during the hearing, sought interim stay against the survey. The bench however said it can be considered when objections are filed.

Senior advocate Prof Ravivarma Kumar, placed arguments on behalf of the petitioners.

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NS BHAT, Mangaluru
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Asking to Stay the survey order is needless. Why should such institutions hesitate to participate in survey? The said organisations are established for public, right? So, it is better to cooperate with govt. If govt takes any wrong actions, then bring it to court...

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David Pais, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
y singling out 1nly chriastians. is it not biased.

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NS BHAT, Mangaluru
Wed, Oct 27 2021
@David "y singling out 1nly chriastians. is it not biased" According to the govt, these institutions are suspicious or are needed to be examined. Let the govt do survey. Let these institutions get an 'official opportunity' to prove themselves that they are serving the social and they are not engaged in any conversion like activities. One has to understand that it is a "survey", not a "ride".

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David Pais, Mangalore
Wed, Oct 27 2021
@n.s bhat, i re-itrate 1nce again, y singling out 1nly chriastians. is it not biased. years immemorial christian institutions & missionaries have served selfless service 2 da nation. & now suddenly 2 provide tool 2 da fundoo outfit organisations, wherever bjp is ruling dey chant conversion, conversion. do da christians r 80% in india after conversions. how da money comes 2 vhp, be, rss, & r dey da guide 2 police & da govt., from its ill-fated/obtained money. how much illegal activities r done by dee's organisations!? 1st da govt investigate dees organisations ill-gotten money & money used 4 conversion activities. I say it is a vindictive survey & a ride against christians. with a meger, minute population of christians hindu khatre mem hai, khatre mem hai, khatre mem hai, ..... answer.....

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Joel, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Mr. AHMED, billions of people have died due to lack of medical facilities of medicines itself in the past. You claim people have survived without medicine which makes me think whether you don't care about those dead people? Or you don't believe in medicine. Cause medival Europeans and Muslims considered medicines as witchcraft.

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John, Mangalore
Wed, Oct 27 2021
But instead of cheaper medicines available which won 2015 nobel prize like ivermectin, WHO, BigPharma without suggesting those cheated billions with expensive drugs and their money making not long term tested experimental vaccines and so killed many ?

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Jeetendra hegde, Mumbai.
Tue, Oct 26 2021
As per my knowledge Roman catholics not very much engaged in conversion business, eventhough it happens in rare cases, they have the big procedures for conversion and it takes one or two years. This conversions are done sajjige bajil Christians of other cults.Anyway Christians shouldn't be bothered about surveys if they are in right path...this process is already in apply for hindu temples and organisations...

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Rita, Germany
Wed, Oct 27 2021
Jeetendra Hegde Mumbai I fully agree with your comment.I just cant understand why this law for anti conversion is needed ?Nowhere such a law exist in world.Persons who want this law should also give reasons and definite cases where forceful conversions are done.Only a few here and there are not enough .Strong reasons should be given.same time they should also give reasons for entering churches during prayer times ,entering convents killing nuns and raping them mostly in North India .why they are not mentioning this?Are these people jealous of Catholic institutions for success in educations ,institutes?Or health Institutions?

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H.A. Dsouza, Damoh
Tue, Oct 26 2021
For political reasons Govt want ban good news of Lord Jesus Chirst. If we see the history of Christianity no body can stop Gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus said to Fisher men to " Come after me and I will make you become fishers of men" It is a great privilege to become members of God's kingdom. Who is always eager to do good work to Society. More than 150 Countries believe in Lord Jesus enjoying peace and prosperity. Thanks

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Indian Citizen, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Law of nature: whatever goes up has to come down!

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Manohar, Udupi
Tue, Oct 26 2021
World is noticing this quietly how tolerant we are but we don't have shame about our fake pride......

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ca girishkk, m'lore/dxb
Tue, Oct 26 2021
@ Manohar, what is your point....????, What world is to do with Hindustan Christians..., Hindustani Christians are governed by Hindustan Constitution written by Tall Dalit ICON, Bharata Ratna Late Shriman Dr BM Ambedkar..., Whether the world you are talking about include fugitives/financial fraudsters... residing in Christian dominant Countries...

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Prakash HR, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
The missionaries survey list prepared by the government will be finally handed over to the Bajrang Dal deal with them...This is what Nazis and Taliban did in their own countries.......

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Ahmed, Bangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Don't compare Taliban to Nazi... Taliban have their own approach... Nazi's ideology is being followed by our fascists organization in our country..

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Ajju Alva, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
I dont understand whey everyone is dragging and bashing ' BJP' and 'Hindutva' here in the comments. Its a Court order my friend ! No party or leader has got anything to do with this. Its not 'targetting' Catholics'. Its a 'survery'. An enquiry is order and as law abiding citizens we have to provide what authorities ask for. Moreover why fear if you have done anything dubious or wrong. Yes Congress leaders are also quiet, if they jump into the fray it will damage their party even further. They are not stupid to challenge court. Come one and wake up!!!

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David Pais, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
what is da necessity 4 a sudden survey is christians, missionaries, non-missionary's & christian institutions when da govt makes censes & survey 1ce in 10 years. y 1nly under bjp????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Cynthia, Dk
Tue, Oct 26 2021
David sir, pardon me...if i say anything wrong. No ill feelings....Why we are scared of ? We never do conversions. Whatever doubt, whoever has let them clear. Let them clear their doubts when our hearts and minds clear crystal. We are still not gone up above 2 percent which is nothing in 100 percent when compared.......Where are the religious people ? No one except Arch bishop who regularly raises his voice ? Othetwise, we have seen, many religious people commenting on the issues if any religious nun/priest stranded, or anyone gets award, or achieve higher education, higher post/ expired.... etc.....etc.....Here, only lay people raise their voice and fight for justice and counter argue with the brethern of other faiths.....

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David Pais, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
willingly embracing another's faith is his, her wish & a fundamental right anywhere in da world. those people willing 2 embrace the faith of Jesus Christ da catholic priest take an undertaking Willi g letter from da person who is willing 2 embrace faith in Jesus da priest do baptise dem. in fact, dey don't go behind dem but da followers of Jesus faith following da priests. u may b knowing in difficult countries like china, malaysia, indonesia, iran iraq, middle east da non believers r willingly embracing da faith of Jesus Christ.

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Ajay Rebello, Kallianpur
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Only NAZI and COMMUNIST countries gather such 'survey NO true democratic country does this kind of things.

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John Crasta, Mangaluru
Tue, Oct 26 2021
In Upanishads Hindus are given a prayer to self-determination to the almighty God, unseen creator of all things seen and unseen. It is as follows “Lead me from untruth to truth, darkness to light and death to immortality”. This is the prayer said by many of our ancestors who became Christians.

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Paul dsouza, Balakunje
Tue, Oct 26 2021
We Christians being minority always come to support without seeing cast & creed. Why peaceful Christians targeted....? Should have little commonsense before blaming Christians. These days we hear many false created stories spoiling & targeting Christians names.

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H. Almeida., Bendur/Andheri.
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Bro !! Why are Muslims hell bent on the destruction of Israel ?? Was Abraham and Moses not Jews ?? Was Jesus Christ also not a Jew ?? Why are they persecuting even Christians in predominantly Islamic nations ??

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anthony, mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
The unwarranted attacks on Churches in 2008 is a Grim Reminder to all in Karnataka of the dirty games that politicians play to stroke communal passions and win elections. Christians with less than 2% population across India are Soft Targets for the Communal forces to further their Agenda to only win elections. They have taken a leaf from the British of Divide and Rule. The British were kicked out of India. The BJP should realize that it will take ages to restore Communal Trust and Harmony in our country. the Survey of Christian Missionaries is nothing but a crude and Blatant attempt to Intimidate and Harass a small Minority community to Appease the RSS.

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Flavian, Mangalore/Kuwait
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Iron Lady Cynthia, dar gayi kya ? (Bhooth, pet kahani) mei peecha nanhi chodonga

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Jossey Saldanha, Thane
Tue, Oct 26 2021
There is only One God & He's our Creator rest are all Jumlas ...

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Flavian, Mangalore/Kuwait
Tue, Oct 26 2021
@ Bhandarkar, "On the flip side Flavi, people see Ghosts, devils very easily ! Exorcist.. and all Ghost films become Super Duper Hits! The days we live in !!!" Just go through my real life time experience. There are few more incidents but I never used to believe in bad omen nor black magic (effects) I was told that time that someone had used sorcery/mata to bring untold misery on my fly members. But such black magic never did major harm though temporarily some bad signs used prevail. My mother used to be an ardent believer in prayers and all my siblings got risen in life. That power of prayers.

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Flavian, Mangalore/Kuwait
Tue, Oct 26 2021
@ R Bhandarkar, Mangaluru "That is what I am driving at Flavian !Experienced you said right? Exactly. How can your experience be another man's experience? CYNTHI..... sees it in fellow humsn beings... Who are we to deny? Got it??" Boss, please exclude me from the controversy. I am not an ardent follower of religious duties. I believe in God pray & respect in his mighty powers and blessings which has blessed me I can say 99% than all my childhood friends. I am content with what I have achieved. Still in working condition! ( no negative meaning) Cynthi always inspires me saying age is only in birth certificate. She was always remembering you ( not at the cost of my elimination) You are a Love guru. I respect you.

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Flavian, Mangalore/Kuwait
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Cynthia, Dk "Yes ....i have seen God. I am seeing god in every human being" Then how come you I love and respect every human being. Sure ? Then how come you some times you drag me & Jossey and Lan to tasks. Please show some love for us too. (not special) I have seen ghosts on three occasions. Once coming back from Madikeri, once in the haunted lane where some one hanged & committed suicide (near Mangala Bar) and in sleep ( semi concious) gorgious lady coming on horse and warning me . In all the incidents they were in white clothes. I am not bluffing its 100% true. When I meet you in person I will brief you fully.

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Cynthia, Dk
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Oh my goodness....dont tell me this....hav bhiyetha. You need to increase your prayers Flavs....seriously. Say i believe in god, followed by prayer of protection by the blood of Jesus and psalm 91 everyday morning as you wake up pleaase...🙏....I cannot be white horse ....warning and all....yabbaa . Why you all freaking out in the nights ???

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Cynthia, Dk
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Flavs....dragging you all to a task is very much needed for the hour. Time and time again, ankush is needed to bring you all back to Pavillion. This is secondary....cannot compare with what i say....Did i say i didnt see god in you ? Every human being is temple of god......So, you, Lan, jossey, jeevan, sanjay r³, Ahmed, Kujumaji k b rji and all....

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Joel, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Religion couldn't save anyone during the pandemic, only medicines did. Also I like how so many Christians just appeared here just because its their turn now

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Ahmed, Bangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Even without medicines people survived in the past. Humans didn't start to born in 20th century, they were present even before medicine could be discovered. Without Gods permission neither human get the brain to discover medicine nor does it has any cure unless God wish. It's all the mercy of God that He provided solution to human to find out medicines. Without the blessed brain how could one discover??

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ca girishkk, m'lore/dxb
Tue, Oct 26 2021
ISKON is functioning as a rehabilitation Centre for all perennially sinned western country Christians....., and these guys' are generally lead a religion less isolated life...., with extreme amount of wealth & no family etc., and the Local Country Administration is least bothered about them..., By one estimate half of US population lead a religion less life..., most of them are intellectuals..., religion is only draw attention of politicians & the poor... If ISKON grow... let it bloom and make people lead a noble & peaceful life..., we must appreciate what REAL Hinduism can achieve..., but after reaching 80% of US or other Western Country population.. they shouldn't shout to say Hindu khatre meh hai...!!!!!

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John, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Following, No Rocket Science or Advanced spirituality...... Everyone can see God, But following conditions apply. ...... Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the PURE IN HEART, for they will SEE God. ...... Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be HOLY; WITHOUT HOLINESS no one will SEE the Lord. ..... Some of we catholics see everyday God in the Most Blessed Sacraments, available online also.

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Darshit, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Those who are commenting about 'Government's rights' and 'why object if nothing to hide', should remember history. The Nazis also collected data about the Jewish population in Europe and their wealth. That survey ended up in over 6 million Jews being exterminated.

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Sheriff F, Mangalore/Farangipet
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Dear Catholic bros. Fight for your cause if its just.

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Ahmed, Bangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
People are doing business even with dead corpses and in the name of pandemic... So does it mean we should get away from the reality of God's existence? .. In a country where people are too much superstitious its easy to fool such and a big business. Regarding your question 'Have you seen GOD' is as absurd as asking have have you seen Air to believe that air exist or as absurd as asking who created the first living organism to believe that it exists... By the way If one does not believe in God, no proof is sufficient enough. If one believes in God, no proof is required.... If one thinks that he has got a knowledge of the entire universe & thus carry a doubt of God's existence, then they must know that the knowledge what they carry is very limited to know all.... You keep on searching, you keep on gaining knowledge and the beauty of God is His vast never ending empire..... Why none has seen GOD? Definitely the Master knows the answer best. One thing is clear that human carry no strength to see God in this world due to Moses incident.... All we know through Prophets and Messengers is every one will get a chance to see God once we are raised back again..... Except for Moses (peace be upon him) who could speak directly with God wished to see God, to which God denied as He bear no strengthen to see God, instead God orders him to look at the mountain to show His power and existence ... This is what Quran says about the incident. “And when Moses came to Our appointed tryst and his Lord spoke with him, he said: ‘My Lord, show me (Yourself), that I may look towards You!’ He (Allah) said: ‘Never shall you see Me, but look towards the mountain: if it remains firm in its place, then you will see Me.’ So when his Lord manifested (His) glory to the mountain, He sent it crashing down, and Moses fell down senseless. Then when he recovered, he said: ‘Glory be to You! I turn to You (repentant), and I am the first of the believers’.” Al- Quran, Chapter 7 Al-Ara'f, verse 143.

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Ganesh, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Mr Ahmed you say "Why none has seen GOD? Definitely the Master knows the answer best". This is nothing but a surrender to me because you can always hide behind GOD knows the best. This why question will never arise because it is enough to say God knows the best. if we have not seen the Air we have felt the air. Nobody here is telling you that we know everything. Nor there is any denying that there many truths which are unknown to us at this juncture. There is also a possibility of some truths never will be known. We are seekers and we will continually try to seek knowledge. At the same time we will not accept anything just because a book tells its like this or Ahmed told us. The onus on to prove is on the person claiming something exists to any reasonable person.

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Ahmed, Bangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
@Ganesh.... Regarding your reply "This is nothing but a surrender to me because you can always hide behind GOD knows the best." We know as much as what God has made us to learn, certain things are beyond the human reach.. I further gave the answer to it why we have not seen God... I gave the reference to Prophet Moses (pbuh) what happened to Him when he wanted to see God and what God replied to Him in answer... The incident gave us a proof that a human cannot see God in this world and his eyes are unable the power of God. Why God doesn't want to show Himself, that knowledge only God is aware the most, but He gave us the hint to all humans via Moses that human are unable to see Him. All incidents happen with Prophets carry guidance to mankind for generations to come. "if we have not seen the Air we have felt the air." With respect to this, don't you see the beauty of God's creation in each and everything you witness every day and night? Does it not make you feel the power of God and His existence? Which of His favour you need to trust Him and believe in His existence.... The 9 months you spent in your mothers womb from just a clot of blood transforming each part to beautiful human being? being fed as blood through placenta each day... Out of millions of sperms competing to enter egg, and only one successfully entering it, so who gave the sperms the knowledge to go only to that part in the darkness, and only one should enter and then the rest shouldn't? Do you think it was by its own? Everyday the sun and moon and the other planets revolving at their own orbit and not interfering in anything? Who made such perfection? Do you it it was by its own? The sky what you see with no pillars to hold, is it not the sign of God's existence? The oxygen you breath the rays which falls on us from the Sun being filtered through ozone layers, all such perfection is it by its own?Do you think there is none to control them? Which of the favours of your Lord will you deny my friend?

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Ganesh, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Sir. I asked you some proof to the claim but not reference to books. How can what is written in books become proof?. If that is the proof, then accept every other sacred book of other cultures also to be true because they also have references to Books. I too agree that nature & its processes are mindboggling. it is something very difficult to comprehend. I too agree there could be some power behind this. but I am not here to accept that the power is exactly what is defined about such a power in the books. For eg: Believers say that GOD is the most compassionate. However, when i see the nature i see lot of cruelty as Animals eat other Animals for survival. We have hyenas and wild Dogs tearing apart cattle's, deer's etc that too slowly piece by piece while the animal being devoured is writhing in pain. We also some animals being killed in front of their mothers. Pythons swallowing the little animals in front of their mothers and the mothers looking helplessly. are these not the cruel according to you?. So finally one wants to tell my book is correct while yours is wrong that is where the problem arises.

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Ganesh, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Mr Ahmed i too am amazed at all the natural phenomena. probably there is some power. However, As humans, aren't we extending the logics that easily enter our brain like everything needs a source. what is still more amazing is describing attributes to God, when nothing is known of a power that perhaps might have been in existence. It is not just about the powerful God but also about the Moral God argument which is put forth without sufficient proof. take/ for eg, if God wanted humans to have Good behaviour, he can imbibe that behaviour unto you correct considering the presumption that God is all powerful. why will a Moral God punish human beings after giving all the freedom to commit misdeeds when he had the power to preempt such misdeeds. What about the naturally occurring cruelty like Hyenas tearing apart a wild Boar? what about a python devouring baby deer in front its mother?. who is responsible for all these?. could you help me out in understanding religions better.

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Jossey Saldanha, Thane
Tue, Oct 26 2021
People don't have food to eat & some Idiots are talking about Conversion ...

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shuba, Mangaluru
Tue, Oct 26 2021
The present situation on Religion is simply brought to divert the attention of people so that the ruling party has enough time to do their internal adjustments while the justifying people are put on heating arguments which is not all important. Actually this is the time for the ruling party to straighten up the laws as we are limping to get back to normalcy in all sectors. The petrol prices are going up day by day but nobody is objecting which should have been the main topic to debate instead of religion issues.

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Flavian, Mangalore/Kuwait
Tue, Oct 26 2021
"has anyone seen God? Has anyone seen religion ? Yes?? No... No.. As long as there is no clarity and the above 2, God and Religion are big business. " Religion, faith & belief in God no one can contradict. We cannot deny power of God. If Evil/Bad spirits, Ghost Satanic influence and black magic are existing why not Gods existence. There are many incidents or proofs of having experienced Holy spirit at different times. Not necessarily to argue on the matter. Why new places of worship are coming up any explanation or can any one convince that ?

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Cynthia, Dk
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Yes ....i have seen God. I am seeing god in every human being.....in animals.....in nature....but not in religion/Caste/creed. I love and respect every human being. I consider all are like me . I respect not dependening on the religion basis.....Flaaaa

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R Bhandarkar, Mangaluru
Tue, Oct 26 2021
That is what I am driving at Flavian !Experienced you said right? Exactly. How can your experience be another man's experience? CYNTHI..... sees it in fellow humsn beings... Who are we to deny? Got it?? To each seeker his own..... So define God.... See God?? How can you bring him to a single denominator? How can you confine him to a religion?? You have so many Englishmen ' experiencing ' Godliness here during British Era... Right? So many instances !Then how come Your God My God? Your Religion My Religion ?? Got my point?? Many, Many who know God, cannot put it across by way of words... Those who have a way with words but do not know God... make hay ! This is what I want to say.

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Rajesh D., Mangalore, Dubai.
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Roman Catholics thinks that we have got everything in this world, but the reality is we do not have Word of God which is the base for our faith. Pray by claiming Word of God and the way we have been asked to pray. 1 Timothy 1 to 4 '' I - urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession, and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2- for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 - This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 -who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

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ca girishkk, m'lore/dxb
Tue, Oct 26 2021
While the court order & observations must be taken into cognizance and respected..., the court also must do some thing to fight against the FEKU Hinduism.... which is damaging the HINDUISM believers & followers.... and make them not only feel vulnerable, inferior, got cheated and above all breed fear psycho to loose their peace of mind.... the FEKU Hinduism even make the saints/swamiji's/baba's/yogi's... come open in the public and seeking govt's help to protect Hindu religion..., give rise to doubt that Swamiji's also lost faith in Hindu Gods.... Time for the Courts to take suo moto cognizance of the matter and stope all FEKU Hindu followers & proponents in order to protect REAL Hinduism...,

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L Pais, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Let the Govt audit or survey, who cares? Nothing fishy is happening in these worship places so no reason to worry. At least we have churches. US , Europe and even Canad are selling off their church premises to builders to convert it into business centers and food courts. Most of it are purchased by Indians. Moreover churches are charging fees for visiting . Euro 4 per head as 'maintenance' . So our being a family of 4 has to pay Euro 16 per visit, Road Toll, Parking (if you get anything closer) and wash room are separately paid. Sadly the 'praying at a church' concept is diminishing and people prefer to do it a home. Its the same story in US , Canada as well. Rich Indians are always on the prowl. Money speaks. A prominent church in Canada is now a Temple & Gurudwara.

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Diana D'Souza, Mangaluru
Tue, Oct 26 2021
i TOO HEARD ABOUT IT. MY FRIEND WHO LIVES THERE WITH HER CHILDREN SAYS THAT MANY CHURCHES ARE SOLD OFF TO THE HINDU GROUPS WHO RENOVATE THEM AND CONVERT THEM INTO TEMPLES. BUT HERE WE CHRISTIANS ARE QUESTIONED ABOUT CHURCHES. MAY BE THE FASCIST GOVT WANTS TO CONVERT CHURCHES INTO HINDUTVA TEMPLES.

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Global, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
means the grain of wheat already fallen!! Holy Gospel: Verily, verily I say unto you, unless a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone; but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

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David, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Catholics are soft target and they can't check others even police can't enter their premises.

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Flavian, Mangalore/Kuwait
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Dear Bhandarkar, I truly agree with your logic. No one ever has seen God but thousands have experienced bad spirits, Ghosts and the influence of such demons on humans. If ghosts have power what about the Almighty God. We cannot argue or make some one with draw ones faith & belief in the Creator simply because there is no proof of having God. Churches, Temples, Mosques, Gurdwaras are there to congregate and worship God. I we do not need to have any of them why such a major controversy over Babri Masjit v/s Ram Mandir . I am not fit to raise the issue. sorry just to match Bandarkars vision about faith & religion. brother please excuse me if hurt any one.

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R Bhandarkar, Mangaluru
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Never ever been hurt by you Flavi. I fully agree on your point of experiencing. Those who have unwavering faith will experience they say. Don't many exclaim " Devaa boree yevun paavlo ".... These have to be understood seriously. God is not to be taken as an ' of and on ' object ! Is he an object ? Or Awareness ?? What are his forms?? Simple querries... we must seek. Experience ourself. Then where does God Reside always?? V big Q... Is it not? On the flip side Flavi, people see Ghosts, devils very easily ! Exorcist.. and all Ghost films become Super Duper Hits! The days we live in !!!

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roy Indian, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
now bjp is targeting our church's and soon Christian house also . BJP you will loose votes from this community time not a single vote . BJP come to power saying all or equal were are Indian first . now the BJP back stabbed minority community....... will see till when yours drama will work when 70 years congress party fell with a years, soon BJP time will also will come ........" jaisi karni waisi bharni "

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Ethnic Orchid, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Boss, Its a court decession,, why bring other religion and political parties in between? FYI, the political party that you are targetting has told openly that they do not require minority votes. On the other hand , minorities are joining them. 99% of the swelling BJP minority morcha are Christians. Mind you there are even priests as part of it.

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R Bhandarkar, Mangaluru
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Has anyone seen God? Has anyone seen religion ? Yes?? No... No.. As long as there is no clarity and the above 2, God and Religion are big business. Those books on God, holy books of all religions, interpretated in over 2000 ways by scholars, learned are money spinners. Religious Institutions, put the fear of the God, into almost all without even knowing, leave alone seeing him.Kerala State, ruled by non believers rakes in more than 1000 crores every year by way of religious tourism, events etc.What more proof you want? These days..Sarvam Kanchanam Aashrayanthi '...Everything is for Money. Money is Power. No seers, no peers ever taught religion. I always maintain, religion was set up by Followers. A Follower is vulnerable, can never be a Master. A Master when he is alive, is considered mad.For he treads his own path, says the truth, which is bitter for almost all.Only when he is gone, does he become famous, for his sayings and teachings are twisted to suit.This is for all faiths.None are spared.Got the meaning of religion? The true seeker will definitely find his master.No court or religious institution can intervene.

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John, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
God knows one fine day one would ask above question! That's why following coming ONE TO ONE Divine encounter (mentioned in Book of Revelation 1:7). Not only that but also God Foresees following ...... With Too Much evil of elite and communist chinese in the world, soon Their Ruthless Control of the world, or Communist New World Order, God wants to warn everyone with 'Soul Out of Body and Back,' during coming mini judgement for short duration around 15 minutes, to all humanity ........ Why this Divine mini Judgement ? Before Final Judgement because of God's infinite Mercy for those who do not Him, as it is not their mistake, a Mini Judgement to all to choose between Good and evil. Soon A Warning, Two Asteroids Collision in the Sky, and a Mini Judgement (Life Review), people will have a real taste of their future destination Heaven or Hell in a recent message to John Leary dated Tuesday, September 7, 2021: ....... Jesus said: “My son, you have been out evangelizing people so they could be converted for over 25 years. Now the time to bring people to Me is growing short before the coming Warning and the tribulation of the Antichrist. Your mission has been to help save as many souls as you can, and the time to save people from hell is running out. The devil and the media are controlling the minds of many people, but My power is greater. So call on Me and the Holy Spirit to help you every day to have people understand that they are both body and soul, and made to My image with a free will to choose between heaven or hell. My Warning will wake up every person to realize how I will judge each life with your life review and your mini-judgment when people will have a real taste of their future destination. If you love Me and repent of your sins, you will be on the narrow road to heaven. But if you ignore Me and refuse to repent of your sins, you will be on the broad road to hell.... Ref: http://www.johnleary.com/index.php/?cat=3&order=DESC

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Ganesh, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
There are many people who say our books is the exact reproduction of the word of GOD. That is why our Religion is only true and correct. The said claim does not appear to be correct considering that there are different schools of Law within a religion. Multiple interpretation itself casts doubts on this claim. I always wondered since childhood if there is a true GOD why does he not send his message directly to earthlings instead of making it so confusing. why there should be too many intermediaries to send a message of such huge importance. had it been the case all earthlings would have had one Religion and no friction at all. An all powerful God who could create trillions of heavenly bodies in continuous motion could easily send message directly right?

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Ahmed, Bangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
@Ganesh.... Sending message directly to all human? If we go with your concept, then to how many God has to send? To each human being on earth? Untill when He should keep sending the message? For every generation whenever they went astray God sent His messengers and Prophets to warn them, guide them.... That was the best option for Him as He knows very well How human acts and function... Approaching each of us directly and till would exits look absolutely absurd and foolish....... It is similar to an analogy of giving books in the hands of ignorant children and make them study themselves and no help from teachers and then clear the exam.... Will such strategies help out?

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Ganesh, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Mr Ahmed, when you believe GOD can receive messages directly from earthlings 5 times a day, you can also believe that GOD can give his message directly to earthlings once in a lifetime right?. I fail to understand why so many intermediaries to pass on Gods message. there is also Risk of dilution right? therefore please give more clarity for your remark. You say "For every generation whenever they went astray God sent His messengers and Prophets to warn them, guide them". but sir generations will come again and again why there will be no messengers for further generations? why one last messenger. Is it because people have stopped going Astary?

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John, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Following, No Rocket Science or Advanced spirituality...... Everyone can see God, But following conditions apply. ...... Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the PURE IN HEART, for they will SEE God. ...... Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be HOLY; WITHOUT HOLINESS no one will SEE the Lord. ..... Some of we catholics see everyday God in the Most Blessed Sacraments, available online also.

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k b r, Mangala Uru
Tue, Oct 26 2021
ganesh, your doubt is justified... it is similar to industry..... many corporates selling the same product with different brand names, packaging, claims of being better than other brands... have you not heard the marketing slogan "Jockey or Nothing".... same way some andha bhaktha will say "my religion, my God... rest all false".... e.g. take the case of soap.. soap is the same, has same purpose... how many brands each claiming their speciality and directly or indirectly denigrating the other brands...that is why too much discussion on different religions is nothing but human ego / human greed...

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Cynthia, Dk
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Bhandar sir, this is really a educative comment among the educated who act as un educated....who knows whats is reality yet close their eyes and ears.....Very well explained by you. All created by man for the greed of money. I too stand by the same perspectives that you have....Why people just hit disagree instead of understanding what has written....🙏🙏🙏🙏

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Kiran, Bangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
This is so true in Europe and US . They go as engineers , doctors, fund ISKCON, Hare Rama Hare Krishna, fund temples, take procession and dancing chanting on the roads, talk about Sanathan Dharma as if its elixir and convert rich people . Am I right Mr Shankar?

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Shankar, Mangaluru
Tue, Oct 26 2021
I have the guts to say what ISKCON is doing is wrong. I have also heard that some of them lure people by offering plant based drugs too. I have seen them dancing in front of Cologne Cathdral and questioned one of them too, who just brushed me off and went away. One should understand that we are not responsible for what happened earlier in our religion, but should not pretend that it has not happened. Christianization of Africa had happened so as the Crusades. It is wrong and I am not holding you responsible for that unless you deny that it has happened.

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Lawrence, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
I am unable to understand what are we going to lose if government audits our prayer places and brings anti conversion law.

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sanjay pinto, udupi
Tue, Oct 26 2021
i think you are the biggest catholic fool if your name is not fake...problem is that they call black as white and vice versa and confiscate all Christian properties.

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Ethnic Orchid, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Sanjay,,The more they object and run away from a probe, the more suspicious it looks. Meanwhile there are 99% Catholics in BJP minority morcha and around 45% in JDS. You cannot call them 'fake' based on party affiliations.

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John Tauro, M'lore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
They cannot confiscate properties as long as they are legal holdings. Our churches, worship centres, educational and medical institutions are open to all irrespective caste and creed. People of all communities work and also hold responsible positions in our various institutions. We don’t operate any underground sleeper cells to brainwash and gain converts with sinister intentions. So why fear about surveys and anti-conversion bill? Of course the clergy and church elders will have to fear if and only any case of misappropriation of funds is unearthed. Since the Govt. is adamant on passing the bill we now have to ensure that the law is just and fair, including penalties for those filing false cases and misusing the law as we all know how effective are laws against rape and murder in the country.

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CHRISTINE, mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
WHY ON LY CHRISTIAN. NOT OTHER RELIGION. WHY THEY ARE TARGETTING CHRISTIANS.

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Vishal, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
I do not understand, why object if everything is fair? Please ask the survey to team to go ahead. For Gods sake, do not fall into the trap set by political parties who will instigate and provoke you to protest so they cash on this episode.

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A.M. Belma, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
There are just 2 option,, Agree to the probe or survey .OR get onto the streets for a protest. Dont expect others to swim for you. Congress will wash it hands off as they do not have a standing. Concern is on the people from your faction who have joined BJP minority morcha and JDS who support the probe.

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Shankar, Mangaluru
Tue, Oct 26 2021
sanjay pinto, udupi, Atleast respect the courts. You know what is persecution? You gain entry to a country as traders or doctors, gain the people's confidence, teach them about your holy book, your god, make them hate their way of worship, convert them , loot them, if someone resists then use the guns and take over the country. Hope you you understood the above if you take africa in context. That is persecution.

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Prakash.A, Mlore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Sad, such a negative and wrong perception has been created about Christians. Those who are educated enough to comment on social media; should do some fact finding themselves about Christians and their missionary work right from 800 years. It's true some unorganized prayer groups have popped up in recent times. Some are definitely delusional and not being sensible about other cultures and faiths. I bet registered Institution's have nothing to do with conversion . There is no point conducting a survey and arm-twisting Christians just to humiliate them.

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Jerome coelho, Nanthur
Tue, Oct 26 2021
First look at your own religion. Did Hindus not persecute the adivasis who knew no religion other than nature and subdued them to accept Hinduism? Every religion is a fraud on humanity!

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Jm, Karkala
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Shankar, Mangalore, Those who are spiritually blind and bankrupt can't see the good works done by the church. Instead of writing all the nonsense just explain how many charitable homes caring for sick, suffering, old aged, destitute, orphans, new born thrown in dustbins, those in drains are being run by your people. Just publish the address where these are located in DK and Udupi districts. It's easy sit in comfort and write all nonsense criticising others work .

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John Tauro, M'lore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
@ Mr. Shankar, Mangalore, What you say had happened during the medieval period especially in the territories which were then under the Portuguese and Spanish dominion. You can't generalise it to the whole Christendom. The British, French and other European countries did not follow their policy

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I J S Shet, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
There seems extreme fear reaction which is unnecessary. Govt has the power to make surveys in the country for various reasons including security and can not be legitimately prevented. Judging motives negatively is not right. The Christian Churches, institutions and committed people have only one aim to good and God's will. Peace is paramount.

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Maxim, Belthangady
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Why our Karnataka Bishop body not filing case in the court

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Flavian, Mangalore/Kuwait
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Rules are common to all religious organizations. Let govt. conduct their duty. If your records are clean why to worry about government action.

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Ahmed, Bangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
There are many Christians in this country like Muslims are totally aware of RSS and its affiliates ideology and its hatred towards these two communities.... But there are few in Christians who usually comment here, who after being well aware still were big supporters of these ideologies, coz they hated Muslims... Such kind will never learn a lesson even if they get back stabbed.

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Shankar, Mangaluru
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Courts always uphold what is right and just.

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Chandu, Karla
Tue, Oct 26 2021
It was was in olden days when judges were God fearing.....!!!!?

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Aam Aadmi, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Hindutva will get you today or tomorrow. For those who think that Hindutva will spare you if you support it you are a fool. Look at the Khans. They didn’t say anything during the lynching of minorites thinking that Hindutva will not touch them. Now Aryan Khan is in jail based on whatsapp chat and not a single gram of drug was found with him. Its better to live a day of lion than live hundred years like a sheep.

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Guru, Mulki
Tue, Oct 26 2021
You cannot compare lions of jungle and lions kept in cage. And rats can't live like Lions.

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Prakash.A, Mlore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
You are right !! These Khan's should have been more vocal about the radicalization of Islam first !!

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John, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Everywhere cross visible? Even CROSS IN THE SKY soon, before the Divine Mini Judgement to ALL. (Including communist leaning Bergoglio, Biden and Xi of china .... Basically for all humanity, due to evil of godless communism and their worldwide errors or freemason elite and communist chinese' evil deeds and let know humanity their blatant evil.). Following recent Divine video message to Enoch warns so titled..... "Jesus Christ - THE BIG SIGNS ARE COMING! CROSS IN THE SKY! Message to Enoch" Ref: https://youtube.com/watch?v=46YCp_3eDlE

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John, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Why Divine signs of times? ..... With Too Much evil of elite and communist chinese in the world, soon Their Ruthless Control of the world, or Communist New World Order, God wants to warn everyone with 'Soul Out of Body and Back,' during coming mini judgement for short duration around 15 minutes, to all humanity ........ Why this Divine mini Judgement ? Before Final Judgement because of God's infinite Mercy for those who do not Him, as it is not their mistake, a Mini Judgement to all to choose between Good and evil. Soon A Warning, Two Asteroids Collision in the Sky, and a Mini Judgement (Life Review), people will have a real taste of their future destination Heaven or Hell in a recent message to John Leary dated Tuesday, September 7, 2021: ....... Jesus said: “My son, you have been out evangelizing people so they could be converted for over 25 years. Now the time to bring people to Me is growing short before the coming Warning and the tribulation of the Antichrist. Your mission has been to help save as many souls as you can, and the time to save people from hell is running out. The devil and the media are controlling the minds of many people, but My power is greater. So call on Me and the Holy Spirit to help you every day to have people understand that they are both body and soul, and made to My image with a free will to choose between heaven or hell. My Warning will wake up every person to realize how I will judge each life with your life review and your mini-judgment when people will have a real taste of their future destination. If you love Me and repent of your sins, you will be on the narrow road to heaven. But if you ignore Me and refuse to repent of your sins, you will be on the broad road to hell.... Ref: http://www.johnleary.com/index.php/?cat=3&order=DESC

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Prakash.A, Mlore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Your attitude is not different from Bhaktas or Islamic radicals. !! people lose Sensibility towards other faiths and fellow beings when radicalized.

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Sanjay, Hebri
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Good, even courts now are concerned about this✌️✌️

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Ajith, Barakur
Tue, Oct 26 2021
can you read and write English ? or someone else is helping you. you don't sound educated enough. you seems disconnected from the realties of this word.

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Nagesh, Udupi
Tue, Oct 26 2021
His English is better than this.

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Ajith, Barakur
Tue, Oct 26 2021
are you his chela. doing wakalat for his english. do some work and support your family.

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sanjay pinto, udupi
Tue, Oct 26 2021
so people of God the signs are loud and clear..persecution is about to start under the saffron govt...either flight with fear or come out on roads and fight..be united...there are some black sheeps in our community who have joined BJP thinking that the party will do good to Christians...believe me...they are forever against Christians and Muslims...But our LOrd God is slow to anger but when he gets angry flood comes and sends 10000 people away from earth as happened in Orissa few months after the killing of missionery priest of Australia and sons, who were burnt alive while they were sleeping in the jeep...Karnataka will also face similar fate if people of God are troubled..so pray, be united..

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william, mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
fully agree with your comment.

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Preetham, Farangipet
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Are you sure 10000 people who got washed away are the ones who incinerated the Australian priest and his sons? Or angry Lord God (your words) acts illogically?

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Albert, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
If one is honest, why getting nervous?

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sanjay pinto, udupi
Tue, Oct 26 2021
first write your real name..we know that you are from RSS

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Usha, Ullal
Tue, Oct 26 2021
In democratic country every bone had right to express their opinion.

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Indian, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
Nervousness because government is not honest

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Darshit, Mangalore
Tue, Oct 26 2021
It is this kind of mentality that creates monsters and gives free license to hitlers to do as they please.

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