Fears about Hindutva shadow education in India


New Delhi, Nov 21 (Reuters): Indians were flying aeroplanes, carrying out stem cell research and may even have been using cosmic weapons 5,000 years ago, according to the chairman of India's leading historical organisation.

Professor Y. Sudershan Rao, the head of the Indian Council of Historical Research, has been criticized by fellow historians for comments that Hindu epics are adequate to understand the ancient world, rather than relying on evidence or research.

The Hindu nationalist government appointed Rao to the prestigious academic post soon after winning the biggest landslide in three decades, fuelling concerns of a push to teach the superiority of Hindu values and mythology at the cost of academic rigour, and cutting against the grain of secularism that runs through multi-faith modern India.

"We have so many proofs that these events happened," Rao, 69, said in an interview, describing events in the Mahabharata and the Ramayana, the ancient Hindu epics about love and war, truth and deceit, that feature characters using inextinguishable fire and weapons with the destructive power of a nuclear arsenal.

Similar views have won support from Prime Minister Narendra Modi and in part reflect a belief that India's history books are beholden to colonial powers, foreign invaders and Marxists.

While there is debate over the exact age of the Hindu epics, historians say they were probably written at least two millennia ago. Rao says this in itself is proof the texts are factual because humans did not develop the art of fiction writing until a few centuries back.

Many academics are horrified by such views, and describe his appointment as a blow for the history organisation set up four decades ago to guide research and hand out grants. They point to signs of a broader plan to bring more Hinduism to the classroom through changes to the curriculum.

Two states run by the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party have recruited controversial Hindu nationalist Dinanath Batra to advise on writing textbooks.

In June, thousands of schools in Gujarat were given textbooks by Batra that claimed cars were invented in ancient India and told children to draw an enlarged nation to include countries including Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

Teachers at Batra's organisation say they want the books to be in every school.

"The lessons from today's history books are that Indians are nothing and good for nothing," said Atul Kothari, secretary of Batra's Shiksha Bachao Andolan Samiti, or Save the Education Movement. "The truth is that historically we have been a far superior race."

Education Minister Smriti Irani, a former soap actress, declined to comment on what revisions will be included in a review of the curriculum planned next year.

The last time the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party was in power a decade ago it began to rewrite school books in line with Hindu-nationalist orthodoxy.

When the rival Congress party came back to power it rewrote the books again. Academics say the loser in all this are confused, and sometimes ill-informed, school children.

  

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  • Rosario Fernandes, Kallianpur

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Religion is 'man made'. There is 'ONE GOD', worship him, don't name him. Don't ever fool around with religion. If you follow a religion, please go ahead, its your wish & your decision.
    Please do not advertise.

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  • Vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Dear Rosario Fernandes, Kallianpur
    Nice thought..!!
    Dhanyavad

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  • joseph, udupi

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Aeroplane was discovered in Sri Lanka and not India because Ravana came to India by us Pushpak via and Ram had to build a bridge with the help of Hanumaan. If there were flights he would have used them.

    Sheer logic

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  • Ashok, Mangalore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    I am not at all believing history. British people wrote history their favor. We wrote history on our favor. same all wars even India Pakistan/ nobody is honest

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  • vivek, hirebile / abu dhabi

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    1)....Freedom to choose learning language must & should be a Human birth right....NO government should impose such silly law......Bringing back ancient language is like going for AMBASSADOR car again.....

    2)....rewriting History again a stupid ideology....if i say M.K. GHANDI wouldn't have killed then India would have surpassed U.S....does it make sense????....
    rewriting History would be like RAM GOPAL VARMA KI AAG...a flop attempt to remake SHOLEY......

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  • SKU, Mlore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    People who have seen the great architecture built by Indians would know the real talent of Indians and the majestic past. UPA could not even build one proper bridge across rivers and how are they qualified to even talk about the glorious past. UPA and Congress have just hailed the looters and plunderers who came to India and destroyed so many temples and libraries as they also belong to the same category and have ignored the great history of India. Time to read the glorious and real past of India. Madam Sonia made German compulsory in Delhi schools. What on earth was that decision? Even all Europeans don't speak german. But when some one talks about Sanskrit which is considered mother of all languages and a perfect language these guys feel ashamed. Just like what happened to Yoga. Now there are more people in US and Europe who practice Yoga than in India which is the country where it was originated. Start being proud of your culture and stop aping west on everything. If you want to copy them learn the cleanliness and manners from them which we lack so much.
    The current history was written by Nehruvian commies who ignored the truth and just believed what west said blindly.

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  • prashanth, udupi

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    what would you like to read?? we want to know our ancient culture/knowledge of our people. why our history tell about those people who destroyed our country

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  • Nagendra, Mangaluru

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Make it optional for the ones who are really interested. The elective can be named Alternative history. Otherwise it will end up turning into the way we treat languages in school.

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  • Ravi B Shenava, Mangaluru

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Please also include the Kamasutra as Text Book in Gujarat Schools, with the supporting pictures of Khajuraho Temple. That rightly reflects the culture of our India ( Indra & Aryans) in olden days.

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  • G Z T Kunte, Udupi

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Recently while inaugurating a Hospital in Mumbai PM Modi claimed that our ancient Indians were even knowing Plastic surgery and test tube babies and gave examples of replanting Ganapathi's head with elephant head and the birth of 101 Kauravas in a pot. He also told that TV Mobile phones computers and Internet existed during Kurukshetra war and Sanjaya & Vidura gave running commentary about the battle to blind Drutharastra with the help of live TV coverage of Kurukshtra and collecting information over mobile phones and internet.
    This is the caliber of our PM !

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  • Ramesh S, mangalore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    ..But some people still not believe BIG BANG theory & Darwin's evolution theory just because of their faith..people throng to ZAKIR NAIK speech & he is very learned about your HOLY scripture..just watch his speech, from formation of universe to birth of humanbeing he says everything written in Holybook thousands of year ago..Hope you got it..

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  • mahesh , mlr / dxb

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Ramesh anna,
    Why Zakir Naik? Even I and lot many people dont believe in bigbang and darwins theory. Why are you and people like you hell bent on forcing the thoughts.

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  • Vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Dear GZT kunte
    In 1982, the NCERT chief released a circular that The period of Muslim-Hindu struggle should not be mentioned in the History Books. Any nation cannot move forward without reconciling with the past, Germans and Israeli's kids study Holocaust in their History books, then why Indian have been denied their own history and Hindu legacy by the pseudo-secularists!!
    BTW did you hear about The great 'MIRAJ' Voyage , Splitting of moon etc etc...??
    Dhanyavad
    Dhanyavad

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  • Vantage Point, mangalore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    @Vedastuthi....You may see it absurd but first Indian Hindu converted to Islam is because of moon splitting ...He was king of kerala named cherman perumal.....May Allah grant him Jannah
    Dont bring Islam to hide RSS misadventure of history...We are not speaking religion but bringing absurd facts into text books...If somebody says Quran is book of science I disobey it...

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  • Vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Dear Mr vantage point
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    Lol…Sorry homie there is no such event happened in the past or it will happen in the future ie it would have been recorded in the past as it is an global event,You have been reading to many comic books to believe in such nonsense.!!
    For the time being, DO you know how peace loving people are converting after your moon splitting claim during these days..!!??

    << He was king of kerala named cherman perumal.....May Allah grant him Jannah>>
    -You mean jannath/Heaven—Is this imaginary or real…??
    <>
    -Are you serious, so beta kindly share your opinion on” what was the misadventure of kashmiri pundiths and what was the ideology behind this”..!!??
    <>
    Hmm ,you are right but never ever reveal this to ummah or you ll be in unavoidable condition !!
    Brother , if you have something serious to post then take time to research on the subject..also read the article till you get it before posting any comment!!
    Dhanyavad

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  • Muhammad Beary, mangalore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    K vedastuthi you can say whatever you say ....but no muslim claims that moon splitting is done by a man or mihraj the voyage was done using technological innovation developed by people at that time...All muslim says it happened due to will of one lord..Who created all the things in this universe it is nothing great for that one lord to do such a minuscule thing we dont attribute moon splitting and mihraj voyage as a human technological marvels but happened due to Gods will...Nor we consider Moon or Sun or saturn as God ,If it was the case man wouldn't have stood upon Moon ...but what RSS is doing is claiming some fictitious facts as technological knowledge of vedic people...

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  • Ramesh S, mangalore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Mohd, you are very less knowledge about VEDIC SCIENCE..Dont say its RSS theory..our ancestors given mathematical solutions/Astronomical incidents like eclipse so on are provided with simple stories with GOD & DEMON characters to reach out to the masses..recent study found astonishing facts about PUSHPAKA VIMANA which is mentioned in RAMAYANA will technical details..do some search in internet, you will find artciles even in NASA/DISCOVERY/NATURE publications..its our tragedy that we got national leaders like NEHRU who is much westerner..CHINA is the best example how they preserved their ancient achievements..

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  • Vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Dear Mohd beary
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    ok I belive you but kindly share your knowledge on your claim that how it happened ,it will be very helpful ..!!
    Btw do you know the exact miraj context..?? or just a claim without scientific proof!!
    >
    -So you mean to say only ummah has been d with these events, then you are saying that ‘ one lord’for all has betrayed the other prophets who are sent to this earth and their followers !!??
    << Nor we consider Moon or Sun or saturn as God>>
    I did not get you ?? if any others consider these planets as god then what is the problem??
    << If it was the case man wouldn't have stood upon Moon>>
    -Does it really matter here ,few believe earth as their mother and aren’t they walking around??!!
    <<...but what RSS is doing is claiming some fictitious facts as technological knowledge of vedic people.>>
    Dear Brother before concluding go through Vedas , or do some research on it and stop blaming everyting on RSS !!
    Dekh bhai its an internet age and no one can fool unless he is comfort with his ignorance..
    Like I posted to Mr/Ms vantage point kindly share your opinion too.., what was the mistake of kashmiri pandiths or which ideology created problem there by peace loving people and its still continuing..??
    Dhanyavad

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  • Ramesh S, mangalore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    ..as per you MODI is illeterate but ZAKIR NAIK is well educated & also DOCTOR..for each & everything ZAKIR says its already written thousand year before in HOLY SCRIPTURE!!..formation of universe,birth, human anatomy..based on his faith he debunks Drawin theory, bang theory..now who is right & who is wrong..

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  • mahesh , mlr / dxb

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Ramesh anna,
    I don't know abt zakir naik. But whatever Modi has said is just a laughing stock.

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  • sampath,

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Clear example of present education system...All credit goes to congress rule and their education system. The concept of Aero plane is mentioned in our Vedas\Puranas. Just search in Google Bro...you will find plenty of info related to ancient Vedic science.

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  • Peter, Bangalore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Sampath
    Any principle or rule in science is supported by measurement and units not with stories.

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  • KKR, Mangalore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    NALANADA UNIVERITY was a great evidence of glorious Indian past and our research capability but all documents was destroyed by Bakhtiyar Khilji, he sacked it and set it to flames!! Nice that our kids going to learn about glorious indian past !!

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  • Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    RSSRB,
    POLITICS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.
    TELL US WHY ARE YOUR POLITICIANS STILL BEGGING FOR VOTES IN THE NAME OF RELIGION ...

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  • Santan Mascarenhas, Kinnigoli/Mumbai

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    God cannot alter the past
    But, politicians can
    History is a tool used by politicians to justify their intentions and future actions.

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  • Anil D.G., Mangalore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Whoa whoa whoa.. So we Indians were driving cars and flying aeroplanes in the back ages?? Niiiiiiiice. What were the engines running on? Petrol, diesel or LNG? So Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan were supplying fuel to Indians even in those days? So Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan existed during that time, uh? Wooooooonderful. That also means that GE and Rolls Royce were doing good business by supplying aircraft engines to Indians. Suuuuuuperb.

    Go fly kites first..!!

    So Dinanath Batra wants Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan to be drawn as part of India? Next he might want to annex these provinces as a grand plan of Akhand Bharat (which is impossible given the aggressive tendencies of Muslims). A combined population of these countries is around 40 crores (Pakistan: 30 crores, Afghanistan: 3 crores, Bangladesh: 16 crores). Add this to the existing 20 crores (estimated) of Muslims in India. What is the total?? These pseudo-nationalists are constantly crying that they have been reduced to the minority structure by the Congress. Wonder what will happen when all these countries become one under the BJP..!!!! Wonder what RSS thinks and dreams..!

    Go check your brains first..!!

    Aeroplanes, cars, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, I suppose. What next? Huh, what next??

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  • prashanth, udupi

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    if anything was achieved by Indians our own people deny it. because these peoples are having limited knowledge. tomorrow this kind of people may tell that the "mangalayana" was not conducted by India.

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  • Clifford, Mangalore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Mangalayan was built using this old theory and Prof Sudharshan Rao drew the plans to build it and also built profusion system!!

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  • leslie, udupi

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Nothing wrong in trying to save an ancient language....
    But make it optional...
    Things have gone through a huge change over the years...
    It will be hard to make modern students to roll back...
    ANY UNDUE FORCE WILL BE FOOLISH.....

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  • ad, mangloor

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    why this politicized controversy. Look at some of the hindu temples of thousands of years, who built them? Ancient hindu architecture, cannot even imagine today.

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  • JK, Udupi/Dubai

    Fri, Nov 21 2014

    Yes, there are so many proof like Rama Sethu (Adam Bridge) for Hindu epics.

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  • Ronald D, Udupi

    Fri, Nov 21 2014

    KSRB, eereg Science aawand!! Rocket technology la bodchi!! Eeer BJP da barenda baari edde!! Write about Modi wave and support...that suits you best!!!

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  • vinayak prabhu, mangalore

    Fri, Nov 21 2014

    Its said about larger nation including areas of pak,bangladesh..its called akhand bharat..Indonesia with 92 percent muslim population have hindutva(ramayana,mahabharata) and more stuff in their text books..whats the problem it happens in india..plus bjp got majority..its for its ideology..people expect to implement it..

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  • N.M, Mangalore

    Fri, Nov 21 2014

    Saffronizing education and distorting facts for Radical Hindutva is a dangerous trend and might ruin the foundation of Indian education.

    BJP is heading on a dangerous path and this can be comapred to Paki clerics who intefered in their education policy and ruined it completely.

    I urge my Hindu Brethren to wake up and protest before we become another failed pakistan.

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  • prashanth, udupi

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    our education system should not tell about our history & our children should learn only foreign country history like America,
    Russia, Pakistan etc.... only those countries people have the brains & our country people don't have brain. whatever they told it is not useful things correct?????

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  • Ranjith, udupi

    Fri, Nov 21 2014

    There was also internet 5000 years ago, and people were travelling from Ayodhaya to Lanka in Alibaba's flying mattress...bewakoof!

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  • Vantage Point, mangaloor

    Fri, Nov 21 2014

    Lol....Hallucinating party........BJP will make fiction into facts....and make gullible...students to believe in their nonsense....

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  • RSRB, Kundapura / Singapore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Vantage Point, mangaloor

    TIPPU is a "HERO" & "freedom fighter" as per Historian A (supporter of Congress)

    TIPPU is a "TORTURER" & "CRUEL" as per Historian B (those Christians who suffered in Mangalore)

    Which one you want to read?

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    RSRB,

    We indians tend to glorify any ruler who fought against british was a freedom fighter. But People ignore the fact that all the rulers did was to satisfy their own selfish motives. I dont think Tippu would have established a democracy by defeating british.

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  • John Tauro , M'lore / Kwt

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    First Tipu fought against the British for his own survival, since he was also supported by the French. The actual struggle for freedom began in 1857, more than 50 years after Tipu’s death, when there was mutiny in the British Army. Yet some historians blatantly called him freedom fighter. Secondly many local Christians were recruited by the British to fight against Tipu which resulted in the persecution and torture of Christians. But during Mutiny of 1857 the British Army comprised of large number of Indian Hindus, Muslims and Christians commonly called Sepoys.

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  • jossey saldanha, mumbai

    Fri, Nov 21 2014

    NOW HISTORY IS GOING TO BE CONVENIENTLY REWRITTEN BY ...

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  • RSRB, Kundapura / Singapore

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    jossey saldanha, mumbai

    British wrote the 1857 histpry as "SIPAAYI DHANGE"....
    Indians re-wrote it as "PRATHAMA SWAATHANTHRYA SANGRAAMA".....

    First one is always convenient...
    The re-written is with heart and soul....
    Your forefathers are reading your comment in pain, as they are ...

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  • mahesh , mlr / dxb

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Rsrb, i m not sure in which school you studied 1857 event. I studied govt approved syllabus, and i was thought it as first war of independence.

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  • S.M. Nawaz Kukkikatte, Dubai

    Fri, Nov 21 2014


    "Saffronisation of education" has been a pet RSS project and it is the one of Biggest agenda of RSS. HRD Minister Smriti Irani also playing actress role here. But actually HRD Department totally controlled by RSS. one side MODI campaigning for ADANI/AMBANI/TATA/BIRLA projects. another side RSS establishing "Hindutwa" basement.
    basically RSS totally misusing MODI popularity. Even majority of Indians voted MODI just for "Developing India" NOT for "Hindutwa"

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  • Roshan, Mangaluru

    Fri, Nov 21 2014

    The claim of professor maybe right or may not be right, but what is true is a civilization that was more advanced than ours, became extinct without a trace. That implies the advanced civilization never wanted future generations to suffer the consequences what they suffered. They however left knowledge of good things like Yoga etc.

    So, first lets get experts to search and the find the material.

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  • RSRB, Kundapura / Singapore

    Fri, Nov 21 2014

    Sceince is nothing to do with religion...
    Mathematics is also nothing to do with religion...
    Geography is nothing to do with religion.....
    Grammers of any language is nothing to do with religion....

    There could be only one language whjich may be effected is "History"...
    As History is always 2 sides of story. One is winners story and another is loosers story. As a student, it is his right to study both side of the stories and judge himself with his own logic & judgement. 60 years students read one side of the story. Let another 60 years student study another side of the story. This gives justice to the both side of the stories.

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  • Prakash, Mangalore

    Fri, Nov 21 2014

    RSRB, This is not history. This is some unintelligent human being telling his story!

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  • Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

    Fri, Nov 21 2014

    RSSB,
    POLITICS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION BUT STILL POLITICIANS BEG FOR VOTES IN THE NAME OF RELIGION ...

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  • Krishna, karkala

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Hi RSRB

    Sceince is nothing to do with religion...
    Mathematics is also nothing to do with religion...
    Geography is nothing to do with religion.....
    Grammers of any language is nothing to do with religion....

    You are absolutely right.
    People who have not studied Science,Mathematics, Geography, Grammar finds it hard to understand this idea and digest it

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  • Rosario Fernandes, Kallianpur

    Sat, Nov 22 2014

    Krishna, but all religions are altered, modified as to suit the Geography, Mathematics, and science.

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