Mangalore: Platform at Car Street Temple Square Turns Contentious Issue


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Mangalore, Mar 10: The ancient platform around the grand peepal tree located opposite Lord Venkataramana Temple at Car Street in the city became a bone of contention between two groups on Thursday March 9. The platform, besides being a landmark at Temple Square, also is the spot where a number of religious activities take place.

Reportedly, the platform finds a place in the list of illegal religious structures, drawn by the government departments, as per the Supreme Court directive. The structure in question is liable to be demolished. However, the city corporation commissioner is said to have assured the concerned that the platform can be regularized under the delegated powers, if the platform is pruned to the extent of two feet each on all sides.

While the temple management and most of the devotees are said to be agreeable to reduce the size of the platform, a small group wants it to be retained in its original size and shape. Some individuals and members of organizations resented the temple management's initiative to shrink the size of the platform. After arguments in support of the downsizing of the platform and those against it threatened to hot up, the policemen intervened and pacified the crowd.

In the meanwhile, the temple management, on Thursday March 10, addressed a letter to the city corporation, giving its consent to the downsizing of the platform as above.

  

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  • Krishna Laxman Pai, Mumbai

    Tue, Mar 15 2011

    Tree platform occupies max. of 25 sq. mtrs out of total square area. which is miniscle. Removing tree will not increase area! It will only increase place to park vehicles. Best is make area NO PARKING, trim the platform. In Mangalore anything connected with GSB community becomes a matter of concern to all.

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  • maria , Moodbidri

    Sat, Mar 12 2011

    Before attacking Afghanistan/Iraq Secretary of State of USA,visited several countries & justified to powerfull leaders of the world and they support it. AMERICA doesnt need silly peoples opinion to go for war. AMERICA is superpower for another 100 years.

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  • lathif, mangalore/ksa

    Sat, Mar 12 2011

    hello guys,whats going on,just think about japan, If God think everything finish within one minute,So please fofget everything and pray together to creator

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  • shaji, kerala

    Sat, Mar 12 2011

    Christian countries are considering themselves as God. But dont forget, the day will come when these Christians will find no place on this world. Killing innocents will not go wasted. Nature and God will take their own action.

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  • Peter Pereira, Pune

    Sat, Mar 12 2011

    Oh, I am so sorry if my comments have hurt few readers. Thanks for retaliating. However, whatever I have written is true & if you find it wrong, I can't help it. Truth is always bitter. The Guru, the country should have enough resources to encroach/attack other countries. Our country has resources, but, are busy in looting our own country, and spilling venom at one another. Peace be with you 'The Guru'.

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  • parvez, india

    Sat, Mar 12 2011

    ms.maria moodabidre....can u just explain the strong reason for which christian countries attacked on iraq & afganistan,and the reason which ur talking abt is still not yet proven...but i can just say that the america has no rgt to go beyond, but its a cowardness..

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  • Rakesh Sharma, Bajegoli/karkala

    Sat, Mar 12 2011

    Mr.shahnawaz kukkikatte, dubai/udupi..what you informed is absolutely right.. we can do one thing.. let mandir/masjid/church/gurudwaars..should distribute according to percentage of population..other's let it be demolished..so we can build good city. secondly, let it be one civil code for all...without interference of any religion..it also help one way to develop country...

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  • Vinayak Shenoy, Mangalore / Dubai

    Fri, Mar 11 2011

    i fully agree with Shanavaz Kukkikatte... But also we need to see age of this peepal tree. As per any religious books, we cannot kills anybody who are helpless. Can we shift our old parents to old age home centres ??? just bcos we dnt have time ?? This to apply in this tree

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  • temple square, mangalore

    Fri, Mar 11 2011

    the temple square is so congested that passsege of vehecile and public at the same time is so tiering that the squarew needs to be downsized , at the same time parking for taxis, cars,cartvendors,oh,god everything in the same place.a solution is amust

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  • Vishal, Mangalore/Bangalore

    Fri, Mar 11 2011

    With the amount of venom spewed through these comments, I think the peepal tree will die wihtin a year!

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  • DEV, MANGALORE,UAE

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Lets stop arguing for nothing,any decision by the supreme court has to be respected by all religions,be it christ,muslim,hindu, sikh.. We have an obstacle on the middle of the road which needs a shift,we can always pray in temple which still exists in very place,if someone who has interest to grow another tree for worship,let them donate land close by for a good cause.For carstreet the road widening should have had car parking space,but at present only the road is made without carpark, the authority must strictly restrict the parking on the road.Its not people to decide,if so everywhere road widening has to be stopped to benefit everyone, not to the convenience of few & not to others.

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  • DBG, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    First of all as reported herein. It is not a matter of pride between 2 groups. Secondly platform is not disturbing any traffic or disturbance to any one. The said platform is more than 150 years old and tree is more than 300 years old as reported by the specialist. Everyone requires development, but removing or destroying any religious structures the authorities must take locals in consideration and bring consensus among the people and they can go with the work of development. To agreed to resize the platform it is not property of the temple at all and at the time of renovating the said platform the locals have obtained the permission from the local authorities.

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  • Maria, Moodbidri, Moodbirdri

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Guru,
    if Christians countries killed so many people in Iraq/Afghanistan there is a strong reason behind it.
    Christian countries also has power and all the sources to go after it. where as yr sikh, budhist,hindu they don't. you like it or not America is Super Power.

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  • U.V.Rai, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Most of the structures on encroached land are built by people with vested interest preying on peoples religious sentiments. If you see, most of these so called places of worship have 'kaanike dabbes'. Destroying these would mean loss of revenue. So it helps to play the religion card and rouse up peoples sentiments to hide ones hidden agenda.

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  • Narayan, INDIA

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Hello Guys, what is going on here. We are Indians. That's it. Please don't use the words you people, ours etc. We have bigger things to worry about, why are we fighting on this. We should respect everyones views, there is nothing wrong in sharing ones opinion. Let us not judge those. Guys thanks for sharing your opinions. You are all good people.

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  • shahnawaz kukkikatte, dubai/udupi

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    The supreme court doesnt belong to any hindus, muslims, christians, sikhs, jains or buddhists. It is a supreme judicial instituion of India and it is very much Indian in nature. So please respect supreme court order and implement it without bias and reservation if we are true Indians.. Religion is very personal ans most sensitive issue. Dont drag the religion and politicise it. If we do, the problem wont be solved but it will be multiplied.

    Dont bring, temple, mandir, masjid or gurudwaras here. Look at the broader interest and benefit arising out such decission by the Supreme court. SC didnt limit its order on hindu places of worships, but it clearly said any illegal structure that stands in the govt land. If any one is annoyed to reduce the katte, then let them shift whole of the peepal tree to their compound and build a katte as big as they could do and worship. Why do you all need govt land. This govt land belongs to every Indian and every Indian has right over it. So let the administration handle the issue in the best interest of our society and country..

    Even masjids or dargahs should not be spared should they encroached on public land. As far as noise pollution of masjids are concerned, its just 5 times a day for less than 5 minutes each time. How about bhajans, dolls, kirtanas that are sung day and night and special prayers during navarathri loud in loud speakers... Is it not noise pollution. For healthy nations, its better we respet other faiths/practices. Fanatics.

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  • AMAR NATHAL, MANGALORE

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    M.Bhat, Mumbai has every right to "all mosques and crosses" that "cause traffic jam and noise pollution everywhere." Bhat, make a list of them and the Supreme court order is in your favor. Mind you, Supreme court order does not dispense temples or gudis either. Your mind seem to be polluted a bit too much not to see the reality and therefore you are quick to give communal colour to the whole issue.

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  • raju, bangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Peter Pereira, Pune..
    your coments are always provoking in nature..
    if hindus build temples ..what happens to you ?
    if hindus pray million god ..y your woried ?
    you pray waht is told in your releigusn..dnt poke nose on our relegius issues..

    du u say your self as peace lover ?
    your provoking cometns on my relegiun made me angry..
    and may your relegius spread such provoking things on other relegion n mangalore..
    and some people shown their anger on your sin works thru stone pelting etc.
    please note peace and insult are different..
    your from insulting nature relegiun..not peace loving..

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  • Bulsam, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Any religion in this country should function from the premises of their legally obtained properties and should not take their religion to the streets that will not please any God. The authority should strictly follow the rules and demolish all Religious-structures, Shrines, Gates, Hundies and Platforms from the public places. God is pure and anything honest, legal, authorized or beneficial to the common humanity will please the Creator. Those who spread hatred, oppose removing of unauthorised structures, donate ill-earned wealth, exploit the innocent for vote-bank and destroy the religious places are evil people in the guise of god-man.
    I request the ignorant poor in their value for life and hollow in their belief for the Creator that you cannot influence the Him to favour you thro’ any method you try because your fate is already sealed by the Creator before your creation. So don’t waste your valuable time in over-doing nonsense in religious places instead be good to the fellow human being and if possible offer whatever you can to the needy and poor, first in your family then others.

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  • Ganesh Bhat, Kodia/Chennai

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Every one jumps to write about democracy, Singapore and America when it comes to the question of Hindu temples. To hell with Singapore and other developed countries, for us the Mangalore heritage is very important. There is sanity in every Mangaloreans mind till religion takes over. Those who say that there is God in every heart and things like that , it is all greek and latin because they themselves would most readily be the people to take their sword out .
    Those who talk of democracy and taxes, we know who is violating when a hapless lady is attacked for writing about a holy book.Pity God for he is confined to this book rather than being found in millions all over the place. Truly God only created this land and evrything in it and we do not want even a small Katte to be retained for doing some religious activity in his name.
    Those who proclaim in One God, Democracy and all that is goodness better show their goodness by not muddling the waters but allow the issue to be sorted out amicably.

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  • raj, bangalroe

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Peter Pereira, Pune..
    our releigus is peace ful one..thats y we are not doing any bad things to some ill filled relegiun who call them self as peacelovers and insults our relegius directly and indirectly ..
    yoiur coments are proof for yoru insulintg nature ..how much your mind is filed with sin ..

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  • kiran, bangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Peter Pereira, Pune...dnt insult our releiugn..we may pray million or billion god..its up to us..
    dnt poke yoiru nose in oiur releiugs issues..
    first clean the sin insde yoiru heart and yoiru relegiun..then coment on ohters..

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  • The Guru, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Peter Pereira, Pune

    U call christians are peace loving people??? christians Encroached other countries to steal Wealth (EG british) Christians killed so many inncoent people around the people (IRAQ, AFGHAN) after knowing all these u call christians are peace loving people... Hindus, buddist , jains, Sikhs are some of the religion in which people didnt conquer any other country nor attacked any other country , so India is called Hindustan

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  • P K, Karkala / Jamnagar

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    NaMO, CM of Gujarat, has suceessfully led the state administration in removing the illegal religious encroachments on the roads/govt land.

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  • Thomas, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    M Bhat, No one is advising you on anything this is not a forum for advising on law.
    If its a Church Mosque or a Temple which is constructed illegally and causing havoc to general public and the supreme court says it needs to be demolished it should be. If your saying Noise pollution and traffic Jam is caused by Churches and Mosques you need to keep your eyes and ears wide open when you pass near a temple too which create noise pollution and traffic jam too Neither you can complaint neither I . Everyone religion has its own way of worship this cant be avoided as we are in a democrattic country.

    Now back to Widening of roads. Mr Bhat go through the website lot of information is available. For eg check Singapore few decades back it was a underdeveloped poevrty stricken country and now see the real singapore. We Indians deserve such life style coz we work hard but our problem is we emphasise more on religion ( Religion is nothing but its shows a way to lead a sinless and happy life) caste which is man made and we fight for no reason. We would have been a super power long before if we did not have hatred between us. Trust me i have been to a couple of countries like US, UK, Singapore people are ready to die for their country. Most of them are happy paying taxes to govt (exceptions are there everywhere cant help).
    Muslims pray on a friday facing towards Mecca, christians on Sunday
    Everyone has it own reasons why they do so
    Dont heart anyones EGO and
    DONT TO TOO COMMUNIAL

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  • Thomas, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    M Bhat, No one is advising you on anything this is not a forum for advising on law.
    If its a Church Mosque or a Temple which is constructed illegally and causing havoc to general public and the supreme court says it needs to be demolished it should be. If your saying Noise pollution and traffic Jam is caused by Churches and Mosques you need to keep your eyes and ears wide open when you pass near a temple too which create noise pollution and traffic jam too Neither you can complaint neither I . Everyone religion has its own way of worship this cant be avoided as we are in a democrattic country.

    Now back to Widening of roads. Mr Bhat go through the website lot of information is available. For eg check Singapore few decades back it was a underdeveloped poevrty stricken country and now see the real singapore. We Indians deserve such life style coz we work hard but our problem is we emphasise more on religion ( Religion is nothing but its shows a way to lead a sinless and happy life) caste which is man made and we fight for no reason. We would have been a super power long before if we did not have hatred between us. Trust me i have been to a couple of countries like US, UK, Singapore people are ready to die for their country. Most of them are happy paying taxes to govt (exceptions are there everywhere cant help).
    Muslims pray on a friday facing towards Mecca, christians on Sunday
    Everyone has it own reasons why they do so
    Dont heart anyones EGO and
    DONT TO TOO COMMUNIAL

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  • JRAO,

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Identify the small group who wants to retain in original shape, see the reality and what right they have to say so and let the concerned to take a decision. There are people's representatives
    and courts to tackle such matters.

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  • rizwan, Mangalore/Dubai

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Rightly said Mr. Roy, Mangalore. Perfect reply.

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  • DC, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Can M Bhat please enlighten us on which cross is causing traffic jams & noise poulltion?

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  • Peter Pereira, Pune

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    M. Bhat Mumbai, we are peace loving people, because our religion teaches peace. This we have proved when some uncivilised animals entered our most sacred places and vandalized them. We are ever ready to remove the cross or even churches if they are built illegally and causing inconvenience to others, because, we first think that God dwells in human hearts. Unfortunately, some religions build huge worship places for million Gods but, unfortunately, they have a very very small heart for God Himself to dwell in.

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  • Roy, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Hello M.Bhat, just go through all roads once and see whether the mosques and cross are causing traffic jam and noise pollution or your temples are causing this. The statement you make makes me think that you are a blind person who cannot see.

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  • Manju Neereshwallya, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    It is better to Regularize than given chance to demolish the katte,Temple have taken right decision

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  • Ranjan, Mangalore / Dubai

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Bhatre, I think so yo need psychic treatment. If you see most of the traffic jams and noise pollution are caused by u people with structures in the middle of the road ( like Car Street ) and by the roadside. Compared to the illegal structures u have in place ours is nothing. U can say 90% is yours and 10% is ours.

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  • Joseph D' Souza, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Mr. Bhat Mumbai,
    Before commenting on Crosses and churches, please sit back and listen to your heart. I will give just one example where not just a Cross but entire Church and its land was given for the development common good. Its when the Bajpe Airport was to be developed that all the Catholics, their Priests and leaders came togather and in one voice agreed to give the entire land. When it comes to development of common good Christians have never backed away. So please do not write anything that suits your narrow menatlity and limited knowledge. Thank you

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  • mathew, bangalroe

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Hamid, Mangalore..
    i agree with you..if nay thing is public nuisence it must be stopped..it may be mandir, church or masjid...
    by the way will you stop 7 times a day loud speaker prayer sound polution from masjid near hospitals and schools ?will you stop these noise polution?
    definetly ..yoiu wil start crying minority rights and relegius rights and atlast say minority are not sfe in india..

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  • justin, kinnigoli/melbourne

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Best thing is to cut the Tree/platform and make more room for the devotees entering Temple, so that no stampede takes place.Mr. Bhat views are not biased.People who belongs one religion having two views, why blame others.Follow the law whatever your religion may be.

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  • C K DAYANANDA, MANGALURU

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Here some readers are very narrow minded in their approach to development and spirituality.

    By telling "go and ask your God" what does it mean? There is no seperate Gods for different people. By accepting Islam your forefathers have only changed their religion, but can not change the God.

    A temple is not only a prayer hall, but more importantly an abode of the presiding deity ed by Himself due to the divinity of that place. It cannot be removed at the will of the man.

    Development does not mean economic development only. It is the complete development of the mankind-Spiritual, physical, political, economical, social etc. etc.

    The destruction of a temple will cast untold misery on the mankind. While punishing, the God will not see the religion of the people. The people who support the destruction as also those who does not oppose the same will have to bear the wrath.

    The people in this case or discharging their spiritual duty by trying to protect the ancient platform.

    May Lord Venkataramana shower his blessings on them.

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  • Ramya Rao, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    I am sure God too does not appreciate his saints and followers worshipping in encroached land. For us it is a religious sentiment but what is required of the govt to raze out all illegal monuments and structure be it cross, spears, churches, temples or mosques. Let us all be united and worship God in spirit and truth instead of resorting ourselves with hatred, violence and bitterness.

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  • fazil, DXB

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    M.Bhat.Mumbai, Masjid can not built in encorched land if any low of land is equal to every one dont force you superirity here, we feel proud to be Indain Muslim.

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  • naveen, udupi

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    i fully agree with u mr m bhat, mumbai.

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  • Clifford Dsouza, Mangalore / Sharjah

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Mr Bhat.....Its better you dont comment about other religions and try to create a misunderstanding. There was nothing wrong said by Mr Hamid and TSPA. Guess its difficult for you to just digest the truth.

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  • Hamid, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    M.Bhat, Mumbai, don’t comment on baseless, We still trust on law, if anybody against removal of Muslims structures according to Supreme court decision let law take its own course, no issue. But you people can not teach us which one can comments, which one not. This not your religious internal matter, this matter of illegally occupied public property.

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  • KRPrabhu, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    hi,Hamid,Mangalore
    It is not 'land of law' but ''law of land'.Don't write in a hurry.OK?

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  • CHIDANANDA, BANGALORE

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Mr Bhat ..what u want to do this katte ....

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  • M.Bhat, Mumbai

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    Hamid and TSPA your views are biased. If we remove encroached mosques built on encroached lands crosses you people flutter with rage and foam at mouth. So better mind your business and stop advicing us what to do and what not. if we go by your views all mosques and cross need to be romoved becuase they they cuase traffic jam and noise pollution everywhere.

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  • Peter Pereira, Pune

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    I bet, all illegal worship places of minority (I doubt any are prevailing) will be demolished and of majority (90% are illegal) will be protected by Yeddy's corrupt, biased govt. We beleive God dwells in human heart and anything which causes inconvenience to humans should be removed.

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  • Hamid, Mangalore

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    We all must obey the land of law, whether that issue of majority or minority, some of them character shows that if verdict is favor on them only agree other wise not, Brhamarakotulu structure on NH is still pending due to God intervention. From this type of mentalities development programs still on papers. Better Yeddyurappa Govt first go and ask your God, then make development planning.

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  • TSPA, Suratkal

    Thu, Mar 10 2011

    CM of Gujarat ,Mr Modi Razed all illegal structures be it temple,mosque or church ..which were geniunely blocking widening of roads and development.Maybe we can take a cue from Mr Modi..Today Gujarat is

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