Mangalore: Demolition of house by SAC - John Baptist files case

Fri, Jun 27 2014 05:59:21 PM

Daijiworld Media Network - Mangalore (DV)

Mangalore, Jun 27: Hours after St Aloysius College (SAC) management demolished the house at Patrao Lane in Karangalpady, John Baptist, who was its occupant, filed a complaint against Fr Francis D Almeida, Fr Cyril D'Mello, another priest and 30 to 40 others person, alleging them of trespassing on his property, forcibly demolishing the house and threatening and assaulting him.

The complaint, filed in Bunder police station states on Thursday June 26, "I (Baptist) am a painter by profession and living with my two daughters, Savitha and Josmin Melita, at Patrao Lane in Karangalpady. I had also filed a civil case over disconnection of electricity in my house. As the case is in the court, the electricity department restored the power.

"On Thursday June 26 at around 3:30 pm when I was at home, Fr Cyril D'Mello, Fr Francis D Almeida and another priest along with 40 people forcibly entered my compound bringing along a bulldozer and other equipment. When I questioned them for trespassing on my property they took me away and tied me to a tree and the bulldozer began demolishing my house. I started to scream and pleaded with them not to demolish my house," the complaint states.

The complaint states that Fr Cyril D'Mello, Fr Francis D Almeida and another priest 'threatened' him with dire consequences and also pushed his daughters when they came to question about the incident. "My daughters were publicly insulted by this," Baptist stated.

"Though my daughters and I pleaded and begged with them, they did not pay heed. I am now on the streets. I do not have a house to live. All my assets, TV, fridge, laptop and cupboard were destroyed; they also stole my valuable assets like gold and Rs 35, 000 cash. I have incurred a loss of approximately Rs 20 lac. I urge the police to take action against Dr Cyril D'Mello, Fr Francis D Almeida and the other priest along with the 40 persons who were with them," the complaint states.

Based on Baptist's complaint, the Bunder police registered an FIR under IPC sections 143, 147, 148, 447, 342, 323, 354, 207, 395, 427, 455 and 149, and sections 2 (A) and 2 (B) under Karnataka Prevention of Destruction and Loss of Property Act (1981).

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Melwyn DSouza, Mangalore/ DUbai
Sat, Jul 05 2014
In view of the incident, I would like to know where is the Mangalore Bishop in this... Should he not be taking to task the priest for their actions??
Law is above all it is for the court to decide after through examination.
SAC should have taken the legal steps and not law in their hands.. for their actions the Bishop needs to take them to task.

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SMP_09, Udupi
Tue, Jul 01 2014
According to me if the property in question is Ancestral , Mrs Alice Lydia Dsouza's doesn't have any rights to give it neither to John or College without her Son's signature. And if there is will, it has to be uted with in six month of her death, after that it doesn't have any validity

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R.C.Kamath, Mangalore
Mon, Jun 30 2014
Any idea as to where John Baptist and family are living now ?

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Rajan Pereira, Bangalore
Tue, Jul 01 2014
In SAC Hostel ?

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praveen lobo, mangalore
Mon, Jun 30 2014
Whatever is the insight, I feel it's inhuman.
When the case is still in the court, it doesn't give anybody a right to do such thing.
It could have been dealt in a legal way rather than making such a hasty work. Hopefully both the priest come forward and accept the mistake public-ally, before it take issue further. do not try people patience.

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Reuben Colaco, M'lore / Canada
Mon, Jun 30 2014
Dear Ralph Pinto & Lawrence Menezes:
Just because you asked, let me give
you a few more details.Alice Lydia
D'Souza's father was Francis Lawrence
Colaco.Her husband's name Peter D'
Souza.Francis Lawrence Colaco in all had Seven Children.He died very
young, at age 53.I think his son's
widow until she passed away,
still owned Arehalli Coffee Estate.
Guess the Estate is still in the
family's hands.The most prominent
of the Seven children were Allie
Bai and Lilly Bai.
Allie Bai's property can
never revert to the State of Karna-
taka.She has a Direct Heir. My interest in her affairs was because
the details provided by SAC and Mr.
Louis were very sketchy.
I have no interest in going
any further.It is not my business
to pry into Allie Bai's or her sib-
lings' or parent's or Peter D'Souza's Affairs.I just wanted
Daijiworld readers to know The TRUTH as much I can reveal without
hurting even Mr.Louis,who I believe
is playing cruel games.What, nonsense! Did Mr' Louis believe we
all are dead.?
I have Mulgar Rights to Ganga
Nivas, even though such rights have
been extinguished.How can I claim
them? Two Brothers fought, one took
his mother and forged my mother's
signature.This way both landed in
my lap.
I have written that Allie Bai
has a son. He is a Linear descendant to Peter and Allie D'Souza.If push comes to shove, all
I have to do is produce him.Having
sold a piece Allie Bai's plot will
be about 0.35 cents, worth roughly
Rs.10 Crores @ Rs.3,00,000 a cent.
As to my personal matters, I have responded.It is the wish of
Daijiworld to publish or not.I know
a thing or two about LAWS, having
hired Eight of the Shysters.
I don't for a moment believe
the SAC took action without Advice.
So also Mr.Louis. What has he to
lose even when he loses ?
I will write if Daijiworld
is willing to publish.Any lawyer
willing to Challenge me is Welcome.

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Joseph Pinto ( Joe ), Mallikatta, Mangalore
Mon, Jun 30 2014
Our new MLC Mr.Ivan Dsouza can settle and solve this dispute amicably.

Mr.Ivan Dsouza MLC is very good at settling such matters.

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Rudolf, Mumbai
Mon, Jun 30 2014
SUPREME COURT ON ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF PROPERTY BY SERVANTS/CARETAKERS
In what comes as a huge respite to landlords (especially NRIs holding property in India) the Supreme Court has in a decision come down heavily upon servants/agents/caretakers/tenants/licensee’s of owners – who try to usurp property by indulging in uncalled for litigation against real owners, by abusing the process of courts, and taking benefit of the delays in the justice delivery system. It was seen that normally caretakers in the absence of real owners tried to usurp the property by not evicting the same, and on account of legal flaws in our legal system claim ownership on the basis of uninterrupted possession of 12 years (known as adverse possession), although many of these frivolous claims collapse like a pack of cards in the end, these cases take a long in being decided, in the meanwhile these people obtain a stay against the real owner, due to which the owner becomes tied and incapable of selling the property any further, and the wrongdoer continues to enjoy the property.
The Court in Maria Sequeria v. Erasmo Sequiria (2012 SC) as well as Ramrameshwari Devi v. Niramala Devi (2011 SC) noted that an agent/servant/caretaker‟s possession is not in it‟s own right but on behalf of the real owner – the employer, and such person cannot claim independent possession & set up title contrary to the real owner.
The real owner in such cases is within his right to approach the court for eviction of the person after his employment is terminated.
The Court repelled action on behalf of one such caretaker to recover possession or obtain stay against the real owner.
The SC in Ramrameshwari Devi (Supra) has called for awarding of realistic costs to deter such frivolous litigation and also called for judicious exercise of power to order status quo/injunctions.
ADVISE:If you want to give your property to a person to live – make sure you ute a caretaker’s or leave and license agreement replete with all safeguard

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mohan, mangalore
Sun, Jun 29 2014
Asha you call Baptist a thug. It is said It takes a thief to catch a thief. So one thug recognises another thug.

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ivan, mangalore
Sun, Jun 29 2014
Anthony, Mangalore This is not about pointing fingers. St. Aloysius has got got a huge properties all over mangalore donated or gifted. So what was the hurry for them to acquire a small piece of land in such a hurry. This land is outside their boundary and in no way will affect them in their normal functioning or activities. So why was this hurry. Since it was in the court they could have exercised some patience and waited.
Since they had all the documents with them there was nothing to lose by waiting.And more over this property was gifted not purchased with the hard earned money. Definitely the Priests have acted in haste without consulting their lawyer.

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Sunil Francis D'souza, Bangalore
Mon, Jun 30 2014
Ivan, this is sheer greed to acquire more and more property by hook or by crook. Education today is not a "mission" but a money making racket. At the end of the tunnel its only GREED & MONEY.

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STEEVAN GOMES, udupi
Sun, Jun 29 2014
ASHA!!!! STILL YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES AND THINK..ITS NOT ENOUGH....
READ SOME OF POSITIVE COMMENTS.... DON'T BE NEGATIVE.

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Rudolf, Mumbai
Sun, Jun 29 2014
Evict recalcitrant tenants by using police force: SC
PTI New Delhi, May 17, 2011
First Published: 17:15 IST(17/5/2011) | Last d: 17:21 IST(17/5/2011)
Coming to the aid of landlords, the Supreme Court has ruled that recalcitrant tenants can be forcibly evicted by the police if they fail to vacate the premises within the deadline given by the court.
A bench of justice Markandeya Katju and justice Gyan Sudha Mishra said that it was passing the extraordinary order as it was vexed with the increasing number of cases in the country where tenants are refusing to vacate despite orders from even the country's highest court. "We further make it clear that when this Court allows the petition/appeal of the landlord or dismisses the petition/appeal of the tenant and grants some time to vacate the premises in question and if the tenant does not vacate within the time granted, the tenant shall be evicted by police force.

"This is a general direction we are passing because we are coming across several cases where the tenants are not vacating the premises in question despite granting time by this Court or despite furnishing an undertaking to this Court with a result that the landlord has to initiate contempt proceedings or any other proceedings.

"Hence, we give a general direction that when tenant's petition/appeal is dismissed and he is given time to vacate then on the expiry of that time, he will be evicted by police force if he does not vacate of his own. If any extension of time to vacate is desired, that application should be filed well in advance," Justice Katju writing the judgement said. The apex court passed the order while dealing with an interlocutory application moved by a tenant Ram Prakash Sharma seeking further time to vacate his rented premises.
"In the facts and circumstances of the case, time to vacate the premises in question is extended till 31st August, 2011 and if the tenants do not vacate on or before the said date, they will be evicted by police forc

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Anil Fernandes. , Barkur .
Sun, Jun 29 2014
Fr. Francis & Fr.Cyril what u r thinking , You have full right to demolish any home? Mangalore public r stupid. All the church property as to be under state government. Fr. u pupil should give respect & take respect. Shame on u.

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steevan gomes, udupi
Sun, Jun 29 2014
Yes Anil ! You are correct...
i feel there is no difference between Home stay attack and this incident....
why our polices are didn't arrest our priests?
wow!!!!! because of money power....our priests have lots of black money...
thats black money power....

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hans, udupi
Mon, Jun 30 2014
That home never belonged to Mr. John in the first place. It's owner had wanted to Church to take over her property on her death. Nothing wrong in throwing out the illegal occupants of a house. Would you keep quite if something illegal occupies your house or wait a hundred years for our courts to decide?

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Harrison monteiro, Mangalore
Sun, Jul 06 2014
Simple law... That goes something like this

U live in a property for over a particular period of time... The property automatically becomes urs... If m not mistaken it's 12 months..

The only way he wouldn't be able to own tht property is if there was a rent agreement

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Anthony, Mangalore
Sun, Jun 29 2014
It is always easy to point a finger at persons or institutions which are rendering service to the humankind...People forget that even the institutions require land and property for the development and making it better to those who come there. Just because it belongs to the institution one should not try to grab it....ask your conscious first whether the whole truth is revealed in this matter. I do not think any religious person becomes so inhuman as to destroy some ones property at first instant.. definitely this man is not so simple as he looks...he is playing the tricks,,,surely there are bigger hands behind him who support him to make this land his. But how long....God is not dead yet...

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Kevin, Mangalore\Kuwait
Sun, Jun 29 2014
My dad was not keep well in his last days, but my cousin and even my in-laws were checking on him and a servant coming for cooking, cleaning and go back after her work. After my dad’s death we came to know that he has written a Will. We had few lands in and around in Mangalore, some purchased and some inherited. He had also money in few Banks. In his will he has divided the assets between his children and had give one land property to charity and one small land which was on the outskirts of Mangalore to his lady who used to visit our house regularly on her own reasons of visiting lonely people. The Will also says money in one of the bank account going to her as she was very helpful. We never knew before my days death that this lady was so help that he has given piece of land and money to her. And witness are from our parish, but not know to us.
When we had doubt on genuineness of the Will, we decided to talk to the parish priest, but the priest said that this lady is involved in many selfless service activities in church and in the society and has a good name, so its bit difficult to doubt on this lady that she will influence my dad to make a Will which is favouring her a part of the share.

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Kevin, Mangalore\Kuwait
Sun, Jun 29 2014
I am just worried with feku people around in India and in Mangalore frequenting house of old and needy people who has properties in name of assistance, spiritual support and care takers.
Our parents were living in Mangalore, having a good retired life. All my brothers and sisters were working abroad as we got good job opportunity away of home. My parents were getting pension and also we were in regular contact, sending money if required and also provide any support whenever required and visiting home on vacations. Our mom died few years back and after that even my dad expired few months back.
What was shocking here was about the Will made by my dad without knowledge of any of my brothers and sisters or even very close relatives.
One of our far of relative used to visit our parents regularly assisting them in their health care, spiritual, shopping and any household needs. Since this lady used to visit our parents we were also in good relation with her, calling and talking to her when we had some time on weekends.
My dad was not keep well in his last days, but my cousin and even my in-laws were checking on him and a servant coming for cooking, cleaning and go back after her work. After my dad’s death we came to know that he has written a Will. We had few lands in and around in Mangalore, some purchased and some inherited. He had also money in few Banks. In his will he has divided the assets between his children and had give one land property to charity and one small land which was on the outskirts of Mangalore to his lady who used to visit our house regularly on her own reasons of visiting lonely people. The Will also says money in one of the bank account going to her as she was very helpful. We never knew before my days death that this lady was so help that he has given piece of land and money to her. And witness are from our parish, but not know to us.
When we had doubt on genuineness of the Will, we decided to talk to the parish priest, but the priest said th

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Adv Praveen Hrudayaraj, Bangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Hegde, K.S. SIKRI, S.M. SHELAT, J.M. In MUNSHI RAM v. DELHI ADMINISTRATION 1968 AIR 702, 1968 SCR (2) 408 the Supreme Court succinctly stated the legal possession regarding settled possession thus "It is true that no one including the true owner has a right to dispossess the trespasser by force if the trespasser is in settled possession of the land and in such a case unless he is evicted endue course of law, he is entitled to defend his possession even against the rightful owner. But, stray or even intermittent acts of trespass do not give such a right against the true owner. The possession which a trespasser is entitle to defend against the rightful owner much be a settled possession extending over a sufficiently long period and acquiesced in by the true owner. A casual act of possession would not have the effect of interrupting the possession of the rightful owner. The rightful owner may re-enter and reinstate himself provided he does not use more force than necessary, such entry will be viewed only as a resistance to an intrusion upon possession which has never been lost. The persons in possession by a stray act of trespass, a possession which has not matured into settled possession, constitute an unlawful assembly, giving right to the true owner, though not in actual possession at the time to remove the obstruction even by using necessary force."

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Adv Praveen Hrudayaraj, Bangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Just curious to know why you left out important LINES in the decision? was it intentional? when you quote the case, mention it in full otherwise it will be intentional distorted truth. many those who are discussing the incident are not advocates like you and me. lets initiate good and faiar discussion with full truth and nothing but the truth. the left out lines I have given here for the common readers so as to understand the judgement in its proper perspective and context. Case:V. Gopala Gowda, J. D. Narayanappa vs The State Of Karnataka, ILR 2005 KAR 295
A person in unauthorized possession shall be deemed to be in settled possession, if his entry into the property was lawful or authorized. a person in unauthorized possession, whose entry into the property is illegal or unauthorized, can claim to be unsettled possession, only if he is in open, continuous and actual physical possession over a sufficiently long period, with the knowledge of the true owner. A surreptitious and unauthorized entry into another's land and stealthy trespasser, will not have the effect of dispossessing the true owner of giving possession to the trespasser. Such acts will lead to settled possession only when the true owner having knowledge of it, acquiesces in it. Where the trespasser is not in settled possession, all acts of the trespasser in regard to the property will be considered as only attempts to secure possession. The true and rightful owner can re-enter and reinstate himself by removing the obstruction or the unauthorized construction put up by the trespasser by using the minimum force. Such action by the true owner will be considered as defending his possession and resisting an intrusion with his property and not forcible dispossession of an unauthorized occupant.

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Rajan Salian, Surathkal
Sat, Jun 28 2014
I suggest a PIL to be filed against the SAC and the DC ( Govt. of Karnataka ) on the basis of Section 34 of the Indian Succession Act 1925 and to wrest this property with the State Govt.

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Jossey Saldanha, Mapusa
Sat, Jun 28 2014
We are in 2014 and some duffers are talking about Indian 1925 succession act...

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Ivan Pinto, Mumbai
Mon, Jun 30 2014
Jossy, look at yourself in the mirror and find out who the duffer is. Even today we follow many British Acts of the 1800's. I understand that your knowledge is very shallow and poor.

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Harry Dsouza, Mumbai
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Let SAC Clarify :

1. I would like to know whether Late Alice Lydia Dsouza have the right to ute a WILL and / or how did she secure ownership of the property ?

2. Where is the WILL & PROBATE of her Late husband ?

There is something fishy out here !

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pradeep, bangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
are only clergy called to be saints? is your logic: if priests in this case are not saints the other party is certainly a saint.

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precci, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Shameful act jaise karni vaise barni we came in empty hand we going also in empty hand tht we must understand each on of us before we doing this kind of nonsense

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Vincy, Bangkok
Sat, Jun 28 2014
In Mangalore there are thousands of tenants who live on church properties never vacated the lands and are not able to repair the houses.That means they do not hold ownership documents.In such case they should go for a dialogue or form a forum and go for negotiation with church authorities.
In this published case,I feel SAC has the full authority to vacate this illegal tenant.

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Damodar Bhat, Udupi
Mon, Jun 30 2014
Vincy, first let SAC establish their legal ownership through Court. If the WILLS of both husband and wife was not Probated through Court, then there is something very fishy. Please do not go by face value of SAC statement.

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Duje Porob, Manglore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Wow!!Wow!!!Wow!!!!I find so many activists here in the comments section fighting for a cause !! If the same had happened in their life or for their property what would they have done???? People don't think you are all Saints!!!

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pradeep, bangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
r v hearing from a saint?

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steevan Gomes, udupi
Sat, Jun 28 2014
I am just thinking that, if in John Baptist's Place , if other religion someone is staying !
these priest will act like this?
I am sure no....

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Asha, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Why Steevan,so much support to Baptist? Its shameful that people are there supporting him. Its an another thing whether SAC's way of dealing with this is right or wrong but surely you should not support thugs like Baptist who have faked all documents and given incorrect affidavits to encroach other's property.

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STEEVAN GOMES, UDUPI
Sun, Jun 29 2014
ASha!!!!
it's not a matter of support... Just close you eyes and think... this is the way to deal as a priests?
legal, moral, ethical but no practical ........ ????????

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Asha, Mangalore
Sun, Jun 29 2014
Steevan...Yes closing my eyes I did think but I still did not find any good reason to support Baptist. And to answer whether the priest did the right thing or not, pls read the comment written by Adv Praveen Hrudayaraj. Probably with support from educated people like you, many wrong doers still think they can get away with anything and anyhow. Now its time for you not to close eyes and sit thinking but to wake up against anything wrong.

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steevan Gomes, udupi
Sat, Jun 28 2014
you are absolutely right

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jossy, belthangady
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Justice delayed , justice denied . For both parties land is important . It is never miss an opportunity situation

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Alex, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Those many of the NRIs who comment about this man John Baptist,although having a land and house to his name, let them think over what happens to their homes if a person takes over their place of dwelling while they are abroad, gets ration card by hook or crook and gets even affidavit done of his stay which is easily be paid off in India with corrupt officials around.
The lesson is
"Expect the worst if you wish others the same, and you shall reap what you sow"

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Haorld D'cunha, Mangalore, India
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Dear Alex Mangalore, You are absolutely right.

Thou u wish to others, u will reap the same.

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sbanary, saudi / Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Alex since you commented about NRI,/I wish to ask you what's the fact is that Property belongs to Baptist ? or Did Fr didn't gave any court notice prior to demolish the house? or Fr demolish the house without court notice? Whats the fact we have no idea...put some light on this issue ...

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John Tauro, M'lore / Kwt
Sat, Jun 28 2014
The clergy has a history of attacking soft targets, both physically and vocally. Would they have dared to demolish and vacate the disputed property if it had been occupied by some powerful, influential individual or by a person of another community? I’m sure the picture here would have been totally different. If priests can stoop down to such level, what is the difference between them and rowdies? Instead resorting to legal assistance, they have taken law into their hands.

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Rudolf, Mumbai
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Right sir, very bad precedent set!! If such forceful action is justified then it will be free for all!!

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Dominic Serrao, Dubai / Mangalore
Mon, Jun 30 2014
Mr.John Tauro, you are absolutely right. This is also 'Mal Practice' SAC Advocate in giving the Administrators this legal opinion, which normally is resorted to by goons.

It is surprising to see in the earlier pictures Fr.Francis Almeida , Fr.Cyril D'mello and others directing the unlawful demolishing of the house. This act is criminal in nature. This has brought a very bad name to the Jesuit society.

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Jossey Saldanha, Mapusa
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Some one in the Legal Fraternity is fanning John Baptist, wants to remain anonymous and enjoys the ...

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mohan , mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
it not jhons property neither his ansisters property. nor he is related to this property.he just entered empty house just that he is done some help to elderly man in the interest of property. As per me he not entitled for any compensation.through him out.

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steevan Gomes, udupi
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Mohan read and act, here we are taking about how our priests deal like rowdyism.....

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avinash, ksd/blore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Even if its a fair claim by SAC they could have routed it in a proper legal way. Now what happened is, all of a sudden, that poor fellow's family came to road.

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Charles, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Avinash, why don't you give shelter to his poor man of worth 20 lakhs assets, 6 acres land and a bunallow...who is on road?

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avinash, ksd/blore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Charles, iam not that rich to give shelter to someone. The only charity what iam doing is giving some rice and vegetables to one orphanage every month.
Do you think that he is rich? For sure he is not.

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Jossey Saldanha, Mapusa
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Avinash, This FEKU John, has another house with 6 acres of land House No: 1-2-77 situated in Mangalore.

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WILLIAM LOBO, PALDANE
Sat, Jun 28 2014
NOWADAYS LAND PRICES GONE SO HIGH EVERY BODY WANT TO GRAB THE LAND BY HOOK OR BY CROOK.THERE IS NO ETICES.EVERY BODY WANT TO BECOME RICH.FOR THAT HE MAY SAY HUNDRED LIES.ONLY I DIDN'T LIKE IS PRIESTS DIRECT INVOLVEMENT TO DEMOLISH THAT HOUSE.THEY SHOULD HAVE LEFT TO COURT.COURT WOULD HAVE TAKEN ITS OWN COURSE.BUT ONE THING LOW IS EQUAL TO EVERY ONE.

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alwyn sequeira, kulshekar
Sat, Jun 28 2014
juliet a clergy can be respected and called as a clergy when he has claimed the same respect and love towards his brothers,i am against this act for if we were in the tenants place would we like our house to be demolished and be homeless, there is something called humanity and we being Christians act worse than terrorists

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Deepak, Bajpe / Muscat
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Jesus preached to forgive and show love towards the poor. But our priests have destroyed poor man a painter house. what a sad situation.

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Jossey Saldanha, Mapusa
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Deepak, Just tell us where you live in Bajpe. We have a lot of beggars who want to ENCROACH...

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Shridhar, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014

He might have encroached the property..but there is a legal way to evict him...At least we expect priests to follow these steps...

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PRP, MANGALORE
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Mr. baptist is not disclosing the ownership details to media. why? smell something fishy.

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steevan Gomes, udupi
Sat, Jun 28 2014
first you give your name.....

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mangalorean, urwa
Sat, Jun 28 2014
what a shame forget the legal aspects sac has not purchased they have got this property and many other properties free, i really feel embarassed to listen to the sermons of these hypocrits, jesus said provide water to the thirsty, food to the hungry, clothing to naked and shelter to the homeless, and this is repeatedly preached to us by the so called priests and now what are you doing, what less have u got, you are worth in crores,u say this life is temporary i think god gave us this temporary life only for this diry and cruel attitude, if the pope comes to know about this how would he feel and react, i am ashamed to say that i am a christian reading this henious crime by the priests,may god bless john and let us all along with daiji collect funds and rehabilitate him and his family

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Rakesh Colaco, Bangalore
Mon, Jun 30 2014
" Mr Mangalorean, Urwa ". Please send a cheque for Rs 10 lakhs. Be the first and God will bless you.

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R.Bhandarkar, M'lore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
I shall attend this Sunday' Mass',after a very very long time.The comments passed in this portal bringing God and the Lord
into each and every thing has fascinated me. More than everything
his teachings! I know for sure HE
comes to places where people pray
in thousands...such is the power
of prayer. Many await 'day of judgement' and all that. That is for the mortals only. For HIM all days are same. HE talks too,but in the din and commotion nobody hears.
He passes you also but you are so busy quoting him ,you do not see.
He sits within you and tells you what's right and wrong but then you have this 'cloak of attachment' drawn over you.You sit in judgement first...What can HE
do?
Yes Yes...I also want to come. I shall attend Mass. I might meet many whom I might have missed for long...See a human being!Has ulterior motive for everything. How would HE feel?

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Jossey Saldanha, Mapusa
Sat, Jun 28 2014
I knew this would happen. People are waiting in line to add fuel to the FIRE ...

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Suresh, Belman
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Can't help wondering if a man soaked
in 'FEKU' all the time knows in advance that something would happen.
God save! Think the comment is 'FEKU' but.

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Rita, Germany
Sun, Jun 29 2014
Tell me the truth Mamu,dont lie,you want to go to Sunday mass because of praying to God or to see the demolition?if so God will not be pleased with you.

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Allen, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
What is right and what is wrong, the court has to decide. But demolishing a dwelling while a family is residing in it for such a long time is totally uncivilized, heinous crime. Just because some priests are involved in it does not make this crime a noble and just act! Priests are also normal people and not ped directly from heaven! Anyone found guilty needs to be punished without any discrimination!

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Reuben Colaco, M'lore / Canada
Sat, Jun 28 2014
In 1983 when I visited my Grandfather's brother's daughter
Alice D'Souza, except for her nephew
Errol Gonsalves and his wife, there
was no one else living with them.
Allie Bai wanted to do right
by her son, but he was adamant that
Errol should be be evicted from the
house.Errol had been frequenting her house since his childhood and
she developed a dependency on him.
She had a son living in Bombay.At
Alice Bai's urgings I wrote to him.
But he did not reply.
After that she perhaps decided
to bequeath the Patrao Lane property to SAC.It is my belief
that her son has an equal right in
the property, even though she Willed it to SAC. Did she even she had a son.? And she is
disinheriting him.? If she didn't
she had a son, then the Will whoever claims to be Devisee
is Invalid.
Who is appointed as utor.?
It appears the Will was not Probated.
Between 1983 and 1986 Allie
Bai decided to ute a Will.At that time I doubt whether Errol had
appointed Mr.Louis as caretaker.
Knowing my relatives, they
would never bequeath their property
to Mr.Louis.
Errol, must have appointed
Mr. Louis. Errol passed away.Nobody
made an immediate effort to evict
Mr. Louis. He went on living in
Allie Bai's house.
Then, he got an idea : What if
he Forges a Will.! At best it is a
civilian offense,he cannot be sent
to jail.If SAC didn't have the muscle, he still would be living
there.How can even a Court reach
a just decision when hardly anybody
knows the full truth?
I am willing to help SAC as I
sincerely believe she Willed the
property to the College.But her
son's position has to be clarified.
As to Mr. Louis, he can be
floored through his own answers to
simple questions.I am sad that SAC
acted like Goons, even
though it could have been necessary.

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Ralph Pinto, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Mr.Colaco, this property has to wrest with the State Government as per Section 34 of the Indian Succession Act,1925.

By the way there is no mention as to the WILL of Late Alice Lydia Dsouza's husband ?

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Lawrence Menezes, Mumbai
Mon, Jun 30 2014
It would be interesting to read the WILL & PROBATE of Late Alice Lydia Dsouza's husband. The truth is resting in it !

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Societal Web, Dubai
Sat, Jun 28 2014
People take undue advantage of the delicate position of priests, especially now, because they know that the majority will help the culprit. Does Baptist realize the damage he has done, I mean not to his property, but to the overall reputation of Catholics? Why is he being so stupid? I know, this issue will be picked up by the wrong people. What is to be blamed is his own complacency and stubborn nature, or should I stay naivety.

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Rohan, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
SAC has the duty to protect the property given to them by the benefactors. The trespassers must be punished.

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Rajan Pereira, Bangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
The point is as to whether they got the property legally or illegally ?

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Rajesh Shetty, Udupi
Mon, Jun 30 2014
I think SAC was wrongly advised by their Advocate. Otherwise this thing would not have taken place. This " demolishing Order " by the Advocate of SAC should be looked into and he taken to task through the Bar Council of Karnataka.

We are supposed to be living in a civilised world.

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Harish Salian, Advocate, Belgaum
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Central Government Act
Section 34 in The Indian Succession Act, 1925
34. Where intestate has left no widow, and where he has left no kindred.—Where the intestate has left no widow, his property shall go to his lineal descendants or to those who are of kindred to him, not being lineal descendants, according to the rules hereinafter contained and, if he has left none who are of kindred to him, it shall go to the Government.

The Law is very clear. Let SAC produce the PROBATE Copy ! Late Alice Lydia Dsouza passed away in 1986 and a PROBATE was a "must" at that time.

Ms Sheela Rao, Bangalore, you are absolutely right.

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Sunil George, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
There is certainly a slip between the cup and the lip. SAC Administrators should be a little more straight forward and honest.

The point is whether SAC secured a Probate order from the Court in 1986 or 1987 ? Whether the property mutation was done purely on the basis of the WILL ? Who was the Govt. officer who signed the illegal mutation order in favour of SAC ?

After all we do not carry property and money to our grave.

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Thomas Pinto, Kundapur
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Did Alice Dsouza have the right to ute a 'will' ? Does her husbands 'will' supersede it ? May be the husband gave Alice Dsouza only life interest ? This is a matter of law.

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Harold C. Dsouza, Mumbai
Sat, Jun 28 2014
What about the PROBATE COPY of Alice Lydia Dsouza's husband ? Did she have a right to make a WILL ?

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Charles, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
People who comment in this forum think that only priests are supposed to be good Christians!!!!

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Jossey Saldanha, Mapusa
Sat, Jun 28 2014
How much proof do you guys require to show John Baptist Louis is a FAKE.
1. John was hired by Erol Gonsalves to look after him in his old age in this house and he has absolutely no relationship to the property or to the original owners.
2. The Mangalore City Corporation (MCC) in its recent order dated 25-1-2014 (Revenue/CR 255/R 12216/2014-15/A5) has rejected John’s dubious resident letter which was acquired by producing false documents.
3. In the undertaking given to the police by John (dated 8-11-2013), it is stated that he has no residence. However, the College has documents to prove that he owns a property and a house which is vacant (house no. 1-2-77) situated at Dharmatota, Boliyar Panchayat limits, Mangalore Taluk.
4. He has provided false documents to acquired two ration cards.
5. Being a father of two grown up daughters of marriageable age, John frequents the premises of the PG Ladies Hostel of the College, causing nuisance to the inmates.
The above shows that this guy has a fraudulent mentality and a dubious character.
All this was reported by Daijee on 26th June 2014 which you guys choose to ignore…

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Dr Kiran Acharya, Udupi/Manipal
Sat, Jun 28 2014
All those passing comments of hatred, please imagine a hypothetical situation...instead of SAC, if the ownership of the land was yours, what would have been your response, if someone had occupied it illegally for decades, misusing the "niceties" of honorable courts?

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Rudolf, Mumbai
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Doc Sahab why don't you understand that, reading the news report, it is not a case of overnight illegal land occupation or land grabbing, but decades old and "force" of any kind without following due procedure laid down by the law of the land is a clear offense in my opinion!!!

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Philip D'Souza, Yelluru/Qatar Offshore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Rajesh Mulki you are cent percent correct becuase the lawyers play the main role in this episode.

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Rudolf, Mumbai
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Even though the concerned person has taken advantage of his stay in that house and is illegally occupying the same, "forcible eviction" without following the due procedure of law is an offense in my opinion!!! This is more relevant since he has not overnight occupied or grabbed the land!! It is 'immaterial' whether he is rich or poor when it comes to obeying the law of the land!!

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Shashi, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Dear Jossey, If it is criminal offense it should be punished. But dont insult and use cheap words towards poor guys. You are supporting because this cruel game done by goonda priest. If this has happened in other community, you are also one of supporter of poor guys.

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juliet Mascarenhas, Bejai
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Shashi,
Are you worthy to advise Jossy when you yourself has used cheap words towards the clergy.

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Padmanabha Shenoy, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Are the Clergy all " saints " ? Can you prove that ?

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Joseph, Qatar
Sat, Jun 28 2014
@Juliet Mascarenhas, Bejai

It makes me wonder whether this guy Shashi is from our faith or ???? Or he must be using some fake names just to derive pleasure just for the sake of seeing how many people support him. There are many bunch of jokers like him here in Daijiworld of other sects / religions wanting to pounce on our tolerant religion and take undue advantage (tax-free) at our cost. I think we (as Christians) mustn't be washing the dirty linen of our fellow brethren in public and making a mockery of ourselves. Yes you are true in defending the clergy, but let time take its own course .. there will be a sure result between right and wrong.

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Kennedy Saldanha, Padukudru / USA
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Jossey Baab, are writing comments just for the sake of writing. PLEASE DO NOT JUSTIFY THE WRONGDOING OF THE PRIEST.

I AM WAITING FOR THE BISHOPS STATEMENT ON THIS INCIDENT.

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Well Wisheser, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
It is really showing the rough and rude character of the Jesuit priest of SAC no body have a right to take the law in their hand unless they proceed by the legal ways to punish the wrong dowers. It is a biggest shame to the congregation of Jesuit priest. Sure who ever they are either the lay men or a religious men or a priest if they committed illegal crimes they must punish by sending them behind bars without showing mercy to these wrong dowers. The priestly community is the peace lovers and daily preaching Gods word to the people and if the priestly community can behave like the rowdies how can we common people trust and believe and give respect to the priestly community???

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Rudolf, Mumbai
Sat, Jun 28 2014
I am in consonance with your views and if people whom the lay person looks up to can do such things without following the law of the land then what can you expect from the common man???

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Duje Porob, Manglore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Those who have got allergy towards SAC and were not able to send their children to SAC for High School or College are spitting venom. I have lived SAC, there is no doubt it is great!!!

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Shridhar, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Duje Porob, Manglore, Even I studied in SAC and admire the college very much...But the kind of Hero worship you are doing is very bad.. Just because SAC is very good institution they can not go wrong???

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Rita, Germany
Sat, Jun 28 2014
None of us know exactly the Position of that land and still some find what priest has done wrong,and some feel pity on John Baptist and his Family.As per priests yesterday expressed the real Position,was looking like they have right.John is not poor man as we think.They have(Priests)documents that he has some 6acres or so land and a house vacant elsewhere.and his possesions were transfered with a truck before demolishing.one of them either priests or John must be knowing what is true.They should not try to make someone blind.It can cause voilence at last .so John Baptist please dont try to attract public Attention towards you if you are really not the owner of that land.And priests had a order from court they said.It is all confusing.

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nelson, mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
John Baptist should be named and shamed in public for his misdeeds being a catholic, as he has no right to claim according to records

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Sunil D'Souza, Mumbai / Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
I dont think the priests have done anything wrong. This fellow already has property and is looking for more now.

His story about him being tied to a tree appears completely made up.

People are emotionally moved by such incidents and prima facie start showing sympathy towards the one who lost something.

How right is he in trying to retain the house which in no way belongs to him?

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ALFA, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Mr Charles
Jacob is right in what he says. By the way Do you know is this land belongs to College. IF you dont know then i would say better not comment on the JACOB.
And i dont feel anything is wrong in IN Jacobs saying and it is happening, Tell me how many Priest's are helping the needy. I can count Hand few. what are rest doing just collecting money from people.

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Adv Praveen Hrudayaraj, Bangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
FIR: ALL assets destroyed, priest steals assets, gold, money, total loss Rs 30 lac.
Daiji: Lawyer: laptop, gold stolen, Baptists: television stolen
Mangalorean: Baptists says priests "take" laptop, "SOME" belongings, the documents are destroyed "Under rubble"
Critical: Some automatically becomes ALL in FIR , gold, money, stealing joins in FIR which is not mentioned on that day, Total cost of TV, laptop and some gold is Rs 30 lac mysterious mathematics and calculation.
FINAL CONCLUSION: SO called self proclaimed Social activist enters the scene. Urges and forces police to register " their Complaint" because they had already threated the college that they would file a complaint ( reference to threat given by a self proclaimed activist on December 5th 2013). The threat has become a reality now. Police registers FIR under IPC sections 143, 147, 148, 447, 342, 323, 354, 207, 395, 427, 455 and 149, and sections 2 (A) and 2 (B) under Karnataka Prevention of Destruction and Loss of Property Act (1981).

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Adv Praveen Hrudayaraj, Bangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
FIR: Baptist was alone at home. ( how did his daughters reached home?)
Daiji:Savitha (Baptists daughter) says " she and her sister were "AWAY" at work at "time of incident". First Savitha "RECEIVES CALL "about incident. she informs her sister Melita who was "AWAY" at work. "BOTH" rush, gates are closed.
Mangalorean: first MELITA receives call from her "UNCLE" about incident, and she rushes home with her sister. when both of them are reached already house is "COMPLETELY FLATTENED"
Critical questions: If Baptist is all alone then, how did UNCLE appear miraculously? if Melita and Savita were out then who informed them? Savitha says she received call first, Melita claims she received call first, Savitha says she called Melita, Melita says her uncle caller Melita, Melita says she called Savitha, Savitha says she got call from some one and not from Melita. which one to believe? If both were at work in two different places? then how did they reach together at same time to the spot, at one point they say that they tried and enquired priests about demolition, because when they reached demolition was still on process, but they also say when they reached it was completely finished, their father Baptists says, as soon as his daughters came priest ran away, but Savitha says she was pushed by priests, in whose dream it happened? where they really present at that point of demolition?

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Cliffy, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
The Aloysius college Rector should clarify what is the reason in order avoid miss understanding.

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Adv Praveen Hrudayaraj, Bangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
FIR: He was alone at home when demolition took place. but even then ' priests pushes his daughter, publicly insults his daughter.
Daiji:Savitha (baptists daughter) says " she and her sister were "AWAY" at work at "time of incident"
lawyer alleges "TWO GIRLS WHO ARRIVED LATER MANHANDLED", Savita says when she enquired priest he refuses to answer and immediately pusher her.
Mangalorean.com: Baptists says" AS SOON AS MY DAUGHTERS REACHED HOME, THE PRIESTS ALONG WITH OTHERS RAN AWAY FROM THE SPOT"
Critical question: If Baptist was ALONE when entire incident took place then how did priest "manhandled" them
Baptists says" as soon as his daughters reached home, priest along with others RAN AWAY from spot, then whom and where did they manhandle? Savita and Melita who suppose to have been "manhandled" do not make mention of it explicitly except stating they pushed her, but Baptists and lawyer and FIR makes explicit mention of it.

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nirmal, belman
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Mr Stan plz respect people and their job.waiter or small labor. Money can't take there place of died person. You saws only photos not in reality. How can u say valuable not dumped under the demolished house.according to u only rich people can claim higher composition not poor.

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nirmal, belman
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Mr Charles in bible no one mention to build churches.bible preach love forgiveness. Here priests doing the opposite.mr John was right or wrong court will decide.and our pope already preach church is for poor for helpless hungry people.now a days priest are forgot this and using church funds for there family people.lot of examples there.

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oswald lobo, mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
sac might have legal papers so they did

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juliet Mascarenhas, Bejai
Fri, Jun 27 2014
I request all those who have commented here in favor of this poor man with 6 acres of land and assets worth RS. 20 lakhs to pool money and construct one house by donating a piece of land by one among.

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tony francis, Udupi
Fri, Jun 27 2014
We cannot judge who is right and who is wrong in this case. However, our priests who preach us Bible and screaming from top of their voice in sermon, every Sunday, should have amicably settled the problem rather than demolishing our own brother's house with the help of their gunda supporters. Im sure they would not have dared to touch a person from other community. Shame on them

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Rosario, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
My Dear Charles, Mr John Baptist & family who were forcefully vacated are not unknown persons who are were staying in that house. They were staying there from several years. Now that the case has been filed, wait and watch. The court will surely take the matter seriously and due to the act of a few priests, the SAC Institution will get a bad name. The persons who have taken law in their hands will certainly be punished. Don't compare them to an unknown person who puts up a tent in front of the Church. Any doubts?

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jeevan, mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Political power religion is always dangerous......

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Suraj, Mangalore Dubai
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Should apply to all religions......As our constitution says.

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ISMAIL.K.PERINJE, PERINJE
Fri, Jun 27 2014
ABSTRACT RULING From a case in HC ..v.Gopal Gowda versus State of Karnataka regarding forcefully evictions

A true owner has no right to forcibly disposes an unauthorized occupant in settled position otherwise than in accordance with law.

2 A trespasser or unauthorized occupant in settled position can be dispossessed only in accordance with an order /decree of competent court or by any other statutory authority of dispossession or demolition entrusted to the state or statutory authority.

IMPORTANTLY,where however,the trespasser or illegal occupant/unauthorized occupant is in settled position adverse to the true owner continue for twelve years, the right of true owner is extinguished and the trespasser or unauthorized occupant as possessory owner acquires absolute title to the property in question.

Therefore, it is not so easy to evict any person forcefully from the land.

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Adv Praveen, bangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
kindly give the proper citation of the case which you are mentioning for our broader understanding .....

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ISMAIL.K.PERINJE, PERINJE
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Dear sir,

Please find a heading in Google and find it citation full text

'SETTLE POSSESSION UNLAWFUL EVICTION'.

V.GOPALA GOWDA,JD NARAYANAPPA V/S STATE OF KARNATAKA,ILR 2005,KAR 295

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saldanha MAXIM, MANGALORE
Fri, Jun 27 2014
very sad and sadist act by SAC and priests.

FORGIVE THEM O LORD
FOR THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE DONE''

this happens when MONEY & prestige COME TOGETHER OVER PREACHINGS OF JESUS.

THESE PEOPLE CRUCIFYING JESUS EVERYDAY

FOR THEY LEAST BOTHERED ABOUT POOR AND HELPLESS , THEY NEED MONEY , WEALTH ,LUXURY CARS AND .......

oh Jesus our lord pls come again to save your poor and humble people

''a humble camel can pass through hole of needle but not the rich ...

but.... WHO CARES ?

may god bless this family from realty Priests ....

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Rohan, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Even a devil can quote the scriptures...!

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Homer, Bharat
Fri, Jun 27 2014
So i suppose if someone visits your compound and then occupies your land and then claim its his..you will simply forgive and walk out of the house ?

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Jacob Mendonsa, Bangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Our priests r good in Preaching & collecting donations. They expect the public to help the poor whereas they want to become super rich.

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Charles, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Jacob, I believe you go to your church Bangalore. Imagine one day, some unknown person makes a tent in front of the church and lives. Will you tell your priest please don't do anything.?

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Jacob Mendonsa, Bangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Dear Charles,
When ever I go to church I do not put offerings, but I give money to those who r begging in front of our Church.
U r aware that SAC is super rich, who r collecting lots of donations.
If they wanted to help this poor man, they could have easily purchased a flat & given to him instead of demolishing his house, if they wanted to have his small property. I don't believe that his house is just in front of the college or the Chapel.

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Roshan, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Mr. Charles, Don't Bull$%##. Here no one lives in front of the church but lives in his own land. If you are a real Christian, you should ask a question that do these priests are deserved to be the priests of followers of Jesus Christ.

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Oliver, Udupi
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Charles, your analogy is irrelevant.This man clearly had a house at the location.Building a house takes a long time, and no one questioned him at that time, which means he had permission to build his house(at least a verbal permission). Now the SAC is greedy and needs that land to do some other project so they decided to take matters in their own hands. This is wrong, especially by the priests who sees commercial value over his own preaching.Where as your analogy of putting up a tent just takes 10 minutes, and yes without permission the guy in the tent will get kicked out.

Charles here's a suggestion. "believe in god, not the priest"

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Dev, Mangalore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
He was a caretaker to the family which was in possession of the house, John didn't build a house or has legal documents to prove he is in possession of the house. It seems people jump to conclusion & arrive at a wrong picture of the event without reading properly from the beginning.

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Nenari, Nirmar
Fri, Jun 27 2014
from 1986 now SAC got time to DEMOLISH? if they claim right hen they need to trust in law than acting like goons! any law in land will permit private people to demolish any private house? Wolves in guise of lamb.

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Rita, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
John Baptist is lier,His neihbours told that what he has stated is completly wrong information as per his ADVOCATE he has done. John Baptist dont lie so much to get huge money from priest and God knows the truth.

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rajesh, mulki
Fri, Jun 27 2014
We all know what is ST ALOYSIOUS AND WHAT THEY STAND FOR. IT HAS GIVEN US THOUSANDS OF MODEL CITIZENS. just because a lawyer drafts a case we will not believe it..nobody will...truth is something different..now a days land greed has taken even sons to fight with their mothers....

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Charles, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
I feel pity for this poor man called Baptist: 18 lakh worth assets....6 acres land.....one house....Wav.. daiji readers, please help this man who is on the streets...

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ISMAIL.K.PERINJE, PERINJE
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Now SAC management might feel the heat and under such sections invoking means prima facie SAC is @ fault.How can Sac evict or destroy properties of third person .As said by Mr Advocate Kiren Rao the property may wrest with GOVT.This peculiar civil case might be fodder for Advocate fraternity in favor and as well as in oppn!!!Physical manhandling of women and destroying private property in fact serious matter.OUT OF COURT SETTLEMENT ONLY MEANS TO SOLVE THIS UNPRECEDENTED ISSUE'

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Jossey Saldanha, Mapusa
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Forget Rs. 35,000, laptop and jewellery. This guy is a FEKU and does not have even Rs.35 in pocket...

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lawrence, abudhabi mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
IF HE HAS Rs 35 OR NOT BUT NOW HE IS ON THE ROAD NOW WITH HIS YOUNG DAUGHTERS.THIS IS NOT FAIR.WHATEVER SAC DID IT ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

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raj, udupi
Fri, Jun 27 2014
How and institution which preaches love and forgiveness can demolish a poor mans house? Church collects so much money to give to poor. why they cannot allow a poor man live happily with his family?. Is it not in the name of church ,love and forgiveness these priest are try to get pricey property?? even religion has become business these days

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Jossey Saldanha, Mapusa
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Raj, Poor man does not keep Rs. 35,000 cash and equipments worth 20 lacs in his home so stop igniting fire ...

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Charles, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Raj, I believe you too are a relgious man. If some one illegally occupies your property and lives there, what will you do?

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R.Fernandes, Dubai
Fri, Jun 27 2014
This is wrong. Person might have trespassed. There is a legal system in our country which has to be followed.
This is criminal offense and has to be punished.

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Ralf Kudroli, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Dear Harold,Just coz you are a Catholic, u jumped to the defense of the priests and concluded that Mr. John should go for a compromise. There was actually no point in you re-writing the whole complaint. Plus, why cant a professional painter have Rs. 35000 in is house as cash? How many houses are there which are old but have lakhs worth of good and commodities? If rich guys live in old homes, its authentic and stylish and ancestral. But a painter cant have electronics in his house. It is disheartening that a painter's professional integrity is questioned. Well, you seem like a good guy, involve yourself and get him a good deal...

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Harold D'cunha, Mangalore, India
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Ralf Kudroli, Mangalore
You stick your views and I will stick to mine.

Unless one has experienced similar type of situations, one will not understand the thinking level of the occupants who have no title in their name. For me, Baptist is not a looser. Whatever he receives will be his gain.

wait for some more time, same Baptist will come to the knees of SAC management for settlement as myself from the city and I know this case much, much earlier. Without truth, I will not support whether it is church or individual.

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sri, Karkala
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Why did he (Bapist) take so long to file a complaint? If it is his property, he should have done yesterday itself and arrested the people. He must have called police immediately. Isn't it? Why he has bought so much time?

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isidore castelino, nakre karkala
Fri, Jun 27 2014
if it is true they get punishable

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Prashanth, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Freinds,
there are so many lies in the statements given by John Baptist to the media today.
1. He said that he was tied to a tree when house was demolished but in yesterdays news given by Daijiworld[Thursday, June 26, 2014 5:24:20 PM (IST)] it is clearly stated that he was carried in a jeep
2. He also said that his daughters were pushed away during the incident but in yesterday's[Thursday, June 26, 2014 5:24:20 PM (IST)] his daughter had given the statement that she was not there when demolishen happened
3. He says that he is living in the streets. Friends this owns another house(house no. 1-2-77) and almost six acres of land

so Freinds do not carried away by false statements.

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R.Fernandes, Dubai
Fri, Jun 27 2014
We cannot decide who is right and who is wrong.
There is a legal system which should have been followed.
Being a priest they have a greater responsibility to adhere to the civil society. They cannot work like criminals.

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Paul, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Prashanth, Magalore, Mr.John Baptist has all the rights to put allegations, if the house is demolished in the pretense of the said TWO PRIEST.

PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO JUSTIFY THE ACT OF PRIEST.

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alok, Bengaluru
Fri, Jun 27 2014
All for property, religious or lay, when comes to property all are selfish. The SAC could have got through proper legal methods instead taking law in own hands, or perhaps relocated Mr John respectfully and compromised even though they would spend some wealth after all somebody had donated it to them.

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Roshan, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
With property prices going over the roof, everyone got their own designs to acquire every inch of land. It is quite possible that the tenant tried to use the opportunity, equally it is quite possible that SAC does not wanted to let go of its charitable gain, even if it is miniature piece. Moral of the story: If you want to do anything good, do it yourself donot go with the intermediaries of God. Feed the hungry, provide the clothes, give medical aid, all to say work with needy people.

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Joseph Rodrigues, Moodbidri, Oman
Fri, Jun 27 2014
It is to be noted that the lady in question could have either given away the property to John or asked him to move out, while she was alive. For some reason, though she used the services of John as helper in need, did not think of his later days. There are very different cases in our area of knowledge an orphan looking after a lady, forging her thumb impression and taking the property in his name and after about 15 years sends notice to legal owners and those who helped him all the way, saying they shall not enter the premises as they are not bonafide owners any more. Other case is where the elder brother toils in other city/abroad and sees that the younger ones are educated and taken care of. Later, the mother with the daughters turn against his rights just because they did not like the daughter in law even though it was an arranged marriage.

Kya Duniya Hai...

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Dev, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
This reminds me of Birla property & assets obtained by their Financial Advisor Lodha, by getting the will in his name without the knowledge of her children.
Baptist here gives different statements everyday, but prima facie it seems he was occupant without any records to show possession of land title.
Now the amount mentioned as loss seems he wanted but was not agreed by the SAC.
FIR is not final, investigation might find & report its not true, in future.

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Joseph Rodrigues, Moodbidri, Oman
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Dear Sir,
I know John. A simple man a simpleton I may say.. He has made mistakes in his statements. He is not able to coherently state facts. I think he will make more mistakes on the way only to suffer later. His daughters I believe will suffer more because of this tragedy. I pity their situation. Is there a way out to help? Many people write in these columns. Most often, What is done is not of any benefit to the the case, person or situation. Shall we do something for the cause?

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john Moras, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
It is not correct to react without knowing the facts and veracity of the complaint. Let us not jump into any hasty conclusion

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babu, mangalore-barke
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Poor and non influence people being harmed. put the people & the priest in jail involved in this crime.

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kannadiga, mangalore/dubai
Fri, Jun 27 2014
If this is true and has really happened as the way it was published, then the act is condemnable. The correct and true story and incident will bring the justice and that alone will prevail... JAI HO!!

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Harold D'cunha, Mangalore, India
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Mr Baptist, your complain is drafted by a lawyer which is full of lies and even the police might be knowing about it.

As per your complain:
All my assets, TV, fridge, laptop and cupboard were destroyed they also stole my valuable assets like gold and Rs 35, 000 cash. I have incurred a loss of approximately Rs 20 lac."

If you are a painter and both your daughters are working, then how come u keep Rs. 35,000 cash in your house. If that money is day today expenses, do u have a proof to show, how much is your bank balance as on the complaint date.

Rs 20 laks, worth of goods, in the old house as house hold items is again give rise to the authenticity of the complain. You are aggravating the situation and for another few days, u are giving one extra exciting news free of cost to the media and press.

My sincere suggestion is - involve some respectable people from the society and go for a compromise.

Good seed gives good yield, bad seed will yield nothing but waste. Similarly, involving good people may land u in better deal.

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mahesh, mangalore-barke
Fri, Jun 27 2014
painter will keep money at home and you will keep money in bank, because painter is avoiding the income tax.

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stan, dubai
Fri, Jun 27 2014
In previous photo I did not see any destroyed valuable except one cross and lock at the door. How he is claiming about 20 lack destroyed, this is just like some persons working in Dubai as a waiter or labout getting small salary died in Air India crash and family members were claiming about 80 lacs??? whereas anybody killed in train crash are getting only 2 lac????

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Mohandas Kapikad, Mangaluru
Fri, Jun 27 2014
If the SAC authorities has got Eviction Order from Court, the legal persons or Court persons should be present at the venue at the time of eviction. In the whole news, it looks like SAC authorities acted in haste, & without proper legal procedure. It is very shameful that the religious priests directly involved in directing the demolition work. Now, since the matter is taken to Court, further matter lies in Court, & better we leave it to judiciary.

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Harish Salian, Advocate, Belgaum
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Was there an ution order in favour of SAC from the Court to demolish the house ?

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Shridar Kini, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Mr.Harold D'cunha, you please do not come to conclusions and support SAC blindly. Let the Court decide the fate of this case.

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P.Shirish Kumnar Hosabettu, Muscat, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Mr.Harold, don't be so silly. Why a Painter can not have Rs.35,000 cash inj his hand at home?? This is not 1947 my friend. Just yesterday my house internal painting finished & I pain 35,000 yesterday to the Painter & already paid Rs.5,000 as advance payment. So do you think he will spend all or deposit the same day in the bank ?? He must be poor but not so cheap. Like your comments. Let us wait & see whats the truth, until that no silly guessing please.

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Oliver, Udupi
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Sirish,

I completely agree with you. The 35000 could be all he has. He seems to be a hard worker. and as far as the 20 lakh is concerned, looks like people don't realize that building a house today does cost at least 20 lakh

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Dr. J. Lancy D'Souza, Anjelore
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Mr. Harold,
You say a Painter cannot keep Rs. 35,000/- in cash. Do you know the value of money in Mangalore now a days? Please go through my examples below:-
1. A kilo of Pork, Beef, Chicken will cost Rs. 120 - 140/- now. where as in the olden days 35 years back it was costing less than a Rupee per kilo.
2. A Mackerel is costing now Rs. 100/- per piece whereas 35 years back we were getting 100 Mackerel for 1 Rupee.
3. Same SAC College - 35 years back we were getting a full month's afternoon meal (i.e. Beef & Chapathis) for Rs. 6/- (Six only) a Month. whereas, now-a-days you will not get a tea or coffee for Rs.6/-.
4. Imagine, if you work in divided Russia, Bangladesh, Sri-lanka you have to pay Rs.40,000 - 50,000 for a kilo of Sugar as that countries currency has no value at all.

If you stay in Mangalore perhaps you will understand that your thousands and lakhs have no value at all now a days.

Prices are escalating day by day and money is losing its face value.

You require thousands and thousands to live in Mangalore now a days.

Hope your doubts are clarified now.

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Harold D'cunha, Mangalore, India
Sat, Jun 28 2014
Dr. J. Lancy D'Souza, Anjelore
I am staying in Mangalore and I do know the cost of living. But here we are not discussing the cost of living but the authenticity of Baptist complain.

All these issues to comment requires past experience and practical approach. As the information I had gathered, Baptist want more money. That is all.

Wait for few more weeks and the truth will come out. If Baptist is right, no matter whatever the powerful force is, still Baptist will win and get justice. But if he is wrong, I do not want to say anything here.

Any body does wrong, in this life only, one will pay it. No body can escape the reality.

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Dr. J. Lancy D'Souza, Anjelore
Sun, Jun 29 2014
Sure, go through the photographs and peep properly, you will find the hidden treasures underneath the pile of cement, bricks and mortar. At least I could see some clothes with hangers etc. may be you will find more there.

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jeevan, mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
I surprise the silence of MLA & MLC....

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K.Kiren Rao, Advocate, Manjeshwar, Kerala
Fri, Jun 27 2014
St. Aloysius College only claims that the WILL written by Late Alice Lydia Dsouza is in their favour. But then why was it not PROBATED through process of Court ? She passed away in 1986. There is certainly some ' hanky panky 'in this matter.

The Tahasildar or DC just cannot change the RTC if the said Alice Lydia Dsouza passed away in 1986 without a Court Order and PROBATE. A mutation order copy can be secured under the RTI Act.

If there is some mischief played by St.Aloysius College, then the property will wrest with the Karnataka Government Under Section 34 of the Indian Succession act.

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Rajan Pereira, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Oh Yes, The Administrators of SAC only talk of the WILL and not of the PROBATE ? Why ? Is there something fishy ? If the person has died in 1986 then a Court Order ( Probate ) should be with SAC !?

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Sheela Rao, Bangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Central Government Act
Section 34 in The Indian Succession Act, 1925
34. Where intestate has left no widow, and where he has left no kindred.—Where the intestate has left no widow, his property shall go to his lineal descendants or to those who are of kindred to him, not being lineal descendants, according to the rules hereinafter contained and, if he has left none who are of kindred to him, it shall go to the Government.

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Jossey Saldanha, Mapusa
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Kiran Rao, SAC is an premier education institution in South India and not a FEKU like ...

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Mohandas Kapikad, Mangaluru
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Feku is Jossey, who pass comments without any supporting stand. Kiran Rao has valid points.

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P J Dsouza, Fajir
Fri, Jun 27 2014
Shame on you people. being priest how could you do this ? you should be punished !!!!

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Jossey Saldanha, Mapusa
Fri, Jun 27 2014
N A U T A N K I ...

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Allen, Mangalore
Fri, Jun 27 2014
From Mapusa?

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