Tipu Jayanti celebration - Opening old wounds?


By Florine Roche

Mangaluru, Nov 10: For Karnataka it is time to celebrate another Jayanti – Tipu Jayanti on November 10, 2015 but with a difference. This will be the first ever government celebration of the birth centenary of Tipu, a controversial historical figure who ruled erstwhile Mysore state between 1782 and 1799. The Karnataka government bowing to the wishes of a section of the society across the state, decided to celebrate the birth anniversary of Tipu Sultan, the 18th century ruler of Mysore, who is also known as the “Tiger of Mysore”. Suddenly the government has realised the great virtues of this ruler and wants to celebrate his birthday in an impressive way. This move comes at a time when the ‘tolerance’ has become a much discussed and debated topic in the country. Tipu being a contentious figure, as is known to us through history, this decision of the government has come in for severe criticism from several individuals and organisations, especially Christians and Hindus, who have been spearheading a vociferous campaign against this action of the government.

The Congress government in Karnataka has been making abortive attempts to commemorate Tipu for quite some time now in some way or the other. This included an earlier attempt to name a proposed minority university in Srirangapatnam, after Tipu Sultan. That move also met with opposition from the BJP saying Congress decision was aimed at consolidating Muslim vote bank of the party. Now, after a lull of almost two years the controversy has taken a new turn with the government deciding to celebrate his birth anniversary as a state function.


Christians Decry Decision

Chief Minister Siddaaramaiah, as expected, has termed this campaign against the government’s decision as a conspiracy by communal forces. This blame game, no doubt is an accepted phenomenon by politicians in the charged political atmosphere of Indian politics to score political mileage. What is surprising is the certificate given by the Chief Minister and Home Minister Parameshwar who term Tipu is secular and freedom fighter which is quite contrary to what history and historians say. If the criticism to this celebration by the government was only from Hindus and Hindu outfits, it could have been be brushed aside as another attempt to ‘communalise’ the issue and many would have believed Siddaramaiah. However, in this case the opposition to celebrating Tipu Jayanti is quite vocal from some Catholics, especially Mangaluru Catholics, as they are believed to be one of the worst victims of Tipu’s viciousness and intolerance. Many Catholic families still have poignant memories of the sufferings undergone by their great grandparents and relatives under the tyrannical hands of Tipu.

United Christian Association, Mangaluru, is quite stunned by the government’s move and is spearheading opposition in the form of holding demonstrations, rallies, meetings, giving memorandum to the government and distributing pamphlets that highlight Tipu’s crimes against humanity in the twin districts and also in Shivamogga and Chikkamagaluru. The Association even submitted a memorandum to the District Commissioner urging the government to cancel the celebration. Though their demonstration and opposition has received considerable media coverage in the process bringing to the fore the painful memories of the cruelty of Tipu to several, the government seems to be least perturbed by these developments.


Political Compulsions

As per the information shared by those Catholics who survived the worst mayhem and other historical accounts available Tipu had taken about 80,000 Mangaluru Catholics into captivity and converted/killed many of them with only 20,000 returning from captivity to give a tell-tale account of the cruelty. For Christians the very mention of Tipu brings back memories of the infamous captivity to Srirangaptanam and the untold miseries he had inflicted on Catholics. There are others who say that Tipu punished Catholics for conspiring against him by joining hands with the British. But that does not justify, condone or reduce the severity of the cruelty he inflicted on people, whatever might be the provocation.

Though many Catholics are perplexed by the government’s decision to honour a tyrant and are unable to reconcile to this very thought they are certainly handicapped by political compulsions. They are hesitant to raise voice against the ruling Congress government, of which the community has been a traditional supporter. Also two catholic political leaders of the district J R Lobo and Ivan D Souza are part of the present ruling government in the state. Naturally that puts the community in a dicey position to oppose or not to oppose the government even if it meant celebrating the birthday of a tormenter and religious bigot responsible for killing and torturing thousands of Catholics. For Catholics, Kodavas or Malbaris, this celebration would be like opening old wounds much to their discomfiture.


Tyrant or Tolerant?

That brings us to the fundamental argument - whether Tipu was secular, patriot, or an intolerant fanatic who killed nom-Muslims and destroyed churches and temples. Robert Rozario, member of United Christian Association points out “to honour him as a freedom fighter is sacrilegious because the very concept of freedom movement did not come into effect in India or Europe until the beginning of the 19th century. There has been a calibrated move by some elements to project him as patriot for obvious reasons and even history books are replete with such distorted facts and half truths. It is unfortunate that even the government has become a party to such machinations of certain individuals and institutions”.

Apart from captivity of Mangalorean Catholics and cruelty inflicted on Kodavas and Malbaris about which there are enough evidences even now, what adds credence to the claim that Tipu was a religious bigot is that he had destroyed about 32 to 40 churches. There is historical reference that from the remnants of the stones of Milagres Church he had destroyed, he laid the foundation for the Idga at the Light House Hill road.

Prof B Surendra Rao, Retired professor of History, Mangalore University, reacting to the government’s decision to observe the birth centenary pointed out “I am not sure if the government should have sponsored his birth centenary. Such acts take political connotations and provoke responses which are equally political. We have enough of politics, as it is”. Professor Rao who has made extensive study about relationship of Tipu and Mangaluru Christians opines “whether Tipu was an intolerant, religious bigot, cruel or was a patriot, tolerant and benevolent ruler, still remains a mystery in Indian history. There are instances that say he donated generously to temples and mutts. But that act in itself does not justify he was secular and benevolent”.

Prof Rao also points out that there is conflicting information about the number of Christians, Kodavas and Malbaris taken on Captivity to Srirangapattnam. “There is no authentic data about the number of people taken as prisoners by Tipu. Even the number 60,000 claimed by Tipu looks inflated because the population of Catholics in Mangaluru at the time was believed to be around 35,000. If we go by the statistics availabe, then Srirangapatnam would have completely become a fortress of prisoners. Nonetheless, one cannot dispel the cruelties committed by Tipu on Catholics as merely as a figment of our imagination.


Bitter Memories

Today Catholics, Kodavas and Malabaris have only bitter memories of Tipu’s brutality and intolerance and not his generosity. If these people harbour such feelings, as is evident from the personal accounts of the survivors of captivity and records available from local sources, we cannot ignore it saying they are influenced by reading the books written by British historians”.

With such conflicting views on a historical personality like Tipu, this move of the government has not gone down well especially because it comes at a time when the political atmosphere in the country is quite surcharged. The very mention of Tipu stirs up passions and strong emotions prompting people to take extreme positions. Muslims hold Tipu in high pedestal terming him as a patriot and freedom fighter for fighting against the British whereas Christians and Hindus term him as a fanatic who destroyed their places of worship, converted them to Islam and even subjugated them. There are many who believe that this dichotomy is mainly because of inheriting history from westerners. However, copious amount of literature is available from primary sources - written by various officials in Tipu’s administration, by Tipu himself and also by the 20,000 odd survivors of the infamous captivity, some of have written about their experiences and many others have narrated their tale of woes to their kith and kin.

To celebrate his birthday of this controversial ruler at taxpayer’s cost is an insult to humanity because he was just a ruler like so many others who tried to defend his territory and nothing more than that. If we follow this yardstick all those Nawabs of Oudh including Siraj-ud-Daula, Mir Khasim or even Mughal rulers including last ruler Bahadur Shah Zafer can be termed as patriots and freedom fighters.

  

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  • Francis (Joe) Martis, Barkur/USA

    Fri, Nov 13 2015

    Tippu Sultan can be compared to Hitler.
    Fail to understand why people observe his jayanthi.

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  • Ahmed, Mangaluru

    Wed, Nov 11 2015

    Ashoka the great, an emperor who ruled most of Indian sub continent during 268 to 232 BCE is considered as one of the greatest ruler of that era. Ashoka waged a bitterly destructive war against the state of Kalinga (modern Odisha). He conquered Kalinga, which none of his ancestors had done. He embraced Buddhism after witnessing the mass deaths of the Kalinga War, which he himself had waged out of a desire for conquest. "Ashoka reflected on the war in Kalinga, which reportedly had resulted in more than 100,000 deaths and 150,000 deportations. Whom did he kill? Muslims? Christians? No. He killed HINDUS. Does this make him Anti Hindu? No. because, it was the trend those days to conquer other areas and capture and rule over them. Does this make him anything less in his greatness? No. He will still be called as ASHOKA THE GREAT.

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  • Mohandas nadoor,

    Wed, Nov 11 2015

    Ahmed, Mangaluru
    Well said

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  • Lawrence, USA

    Thu, Nov 12 2015

    Well, Ashoka fought the war and as a result the soldiers died. He did not commit genocide by torturing and killing innocent Christians that include women and children. Ashoka is the great because he repented his act and propagated non-violence for all living creatures.

    One cannot compare apples with oranges.

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  • readerwriter007, pune

    Thu, Nov 12 2015

    but govt is not interested to introduce Ashoka Jayanthi ... it's interested only with Tipu, Akbar, Dawood... etc. That's the problem. There are so many personalities on whom we can a day like Bhagat singh, Sardar Patel ... etc. but mid of all the existing controversies Congress Govt wanted to trigger this fire... all planned ...

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  • kavya, mangalore

    Wed, Nov 11 2015

    superb comments

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  • Dr Mohan Prabhu, QC, mangalore/ottawa

    Wed, Nov 11 2015

    What a travesty to celebrate the Jayanti of a butcher-King. History written both by the British and our own Christians say how Christians were rounded up en masse for the so-called betrayal of a few. Tipu, whatever his other qualities were, was the son of a parvenu ruler Hyder Ali who usurped the Mysore Throne from a Hindu king and kept him prisoner until he died, and then expanded his kingdom to Kanara and overthrew Hindu kings who were successors of the Vijayanagar Empire. I would urge all the commentators to study the history of our region that is now Karnataka and draw your conclusion.
    To me, Tipu was never a freedom fighter he wanted to retain his ill-gotten kingdom which his father who was in the military service of a Hindu king of Mysore - the Wodeyars - seized it from him and imprisoned his master. JR Lobo and Ivan should have resigned rather than support a corrupt Congress government.

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  • Langoolacharya., Belman/Washington,DC.

    Wed, Nov 11 2015

    Siddu,

    Vinasha kale vipareeta buddi...end will come soon for your party...

    ...JH...

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  • Ronald D, Udupi

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Inthtru, ಅನುಮಾನ beda! Sathya nambu!! Google maadu! Yella ninna Tippu guna sigutthe!!!

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  • Ronald D, Udupi

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Thanks for the unbiased analysis Florine Roche! Tippu died just 215 years back. My grandfather died in 2004 at the age of 101. His father and grandfather too lived 90 years. Several times he described atrocities of Tippu on Canara Catholics. We have live memory descended for just few generations!! I am not going to explain Tippu's cruelty here!! I just oppose celebrity status to Tippu!! I do not mind someone celebrating Akbar and never to Tippu!

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  • JR DSOUZA, MAngalore / Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    What a shame!! I cannot believe state govt has taken such a nasty step. Tippu was never a freedom fighter. Yes he fought against british like other rulers in India to save his kingdom, not for the freedom. He fought to save his KING title. But freedom fight movement started at least 75-100 years after his death. Tippu's achievements are of destroying the churches and killing the Christians. He was a fanatic. And govt want him to make a killer a Hero. Sidhu and congress are just given another chance of their self destroyed in the state as they did in the central before. People haven't elected congress in the state to celebrate these controversial Jayanti's nor to start universities in such names... We Christians strongly oppose and condemn this Tippu Jayanti. Shame on you JR Lobo and Ivan DSouza and of course Sidhu...

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  • samadkolnad, vitla

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    JR Dsouza, this is your view is coincidentally matching with RSS view is BJP christens support..? by posting your view dont say we citizen view..More over read at least history once and know why christens were supporting British ..? in his kingdom at that time..? were whole people were tortured by British and every one was going through pain only some group of christens definitly not all christens...? eto enjoy british feciliteis..were as fellow citizens were suffering..? how un fair is that..? dont go with RSS you should remember recently under BJP regime waht happend in mangalore..? how mercilessly they have beaten innocent god fearing nuns..?

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  • Ravi, Vitla

    Wed, Nov 11 2015

    Samadkolnad,

    I dont want to question your knowledge on history, but there are several history material that point to Tippu was a fanatic ruler. The coorg and malabar regions faced maximum destruction under his rule. The concept of India was not there when he was ruling Mysore, so calling him freedom fighter is not correct.

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  • SMR, Karkala

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Dear readers,
    Historically, Tipu is a complex figure: supporter of the French revolution anti-colonial warrior dying in battle against the East India Company forces at Seringapatam.The battle alliance is common to this day.

    For those opposing parties, if he could be called anti-national for this, then we have to imagine the British as the rightful rulers of this country.

    Jai Hind

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  • C K DAYANANDA, MANGALORE

    Wed, Nov 11 2015

    He can not be called a nationalist only because he fought against British.

    First, he entered into an agreement with British by giving his two sons as hostages.

    All for saving the territory under his occupation.

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  • KK, mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    This article about relationship between Christianity and Tippu.Tippu killed Christians.that is true. But why he killed ? is it for conversion or supporting British. If he converted Christian to Islam and we feel it is wrong, then who converted originally Hindus to christian? Why it is not wrong.

    Any how now congress is messing up with Christians also.

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  • Abdul Rafiq, Uchila / Dubai

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    RSS want to celebrate only GODSE Jayanthi. If Chaddies thinks Tippu was a butcher and his birth day should not be celebrated, then they should not celebrate Narendra Modi's birth day also.

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  • Inthu, Basrur / UAE

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    ಬಹುಶ ಚಡ್ಡಿ ಇತಿಹಾಸಕಾರ 8೦೦ ರ ಬದಲು ಎರಡು ಸೊನ್ನೆ ಸೇರಿಸಿ 80000 ಮಾಡಿ ಬರೆದಿರಬೇಕು .

    ಆ ಸಮಯದಲ್ಲಿ 80000 ದಷ್ಟು ಕ್ರಿಸ್ತಿಯನರು ಇದ್ದರೆನ್ನುವುದೇ ಅನುಮಾನ .

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  • Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Tipu Sultan was a Mysore Tiger as well as Controversial King..History books did not give complete life history of Tipu..They gave rough idea about him..To know him more one has to go to Google..Anyway,my knowledge about Tipu is limited..I know he fought bravely against British,even sacrificed his sons.He didn't surrender to them even at the crisis time..

    One more thing,I would like to share what I saw in Kasargod..When I went to Ganesh Temple in Maddoor,Kasargod,I saw a Sword Mark inside the temple..People say he attacked Ganesha Temple, When I visited Bekal Fort(Kasargod), I saw small temple inside Fort..it is giving me confusion..if he had wanted to destroy temple,he could have destroyed temple inside the fort..because Fort was completely under Tipu soldiers.Anytime,they could have destroyed it..There are thousands of small and big temples in Karnataka, If he wanted,he could have destroyed..and hindus were not in a position to fight with him...This is my opinion..I have already said..I don't know much about him..

    Note: One thing is sure..Siddu might have seen Tippu Sultan in his dream (he has habit of sleeping during public functions) and he might have ordered Siddu to celebrate Tipu Jayanti..Illadidre Ninna Runda Chendaduve !!

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  • Ravi, Udyavara

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    ಹಾವು ಸಾಯಿಬಾರದು ಕೋಲು ಮುರಿಬಾರದು.

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  • Flavian, Mangaluru/Kuwait

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Siddu needs to learn from Bihara election results to be prepared for next LS elections.

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  • Flavian, Mangaluru/Kuwait

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    " LION OF MYSORE"

    A terror for non-Muslims.

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  • Husain, mysore / saudiarabia

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    "TIGER OF MYSORE" Marayti

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  • vikram, Dubai

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    BEFORE SIDDU WAS IN MIND OF 50-50... WHETHER TO CELEBRATE TIPU JAYANTI OFFICIALLY OR NOT...AFTER RESULT FROM BIHAR ELECTION... HE HAS GOT EXTRA WINGS AND NOW FLIES LIKE HEADLESS EAGLE....

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  • Royal, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Make Abdul kalam Jayanti we will support 100%.But don't make politics siddharama now Tippu,next Wellington after taj attacked people Jayanti.

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  • Amin Bhoja, Patte / Riyadh

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Tipu Jayanthi... one can imagine towards... CM in the vote bank politics!!!

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  • sunill, bengaluru

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    i dont know why bjp is having problem in celebrating tippu jayanti.like every ruler he was also a ruler who wanted to protect his kingdom.moreover he was okay with hindus and had good relations with swamies of so many temples.he was also asking suggestions from swamies about how to improve governance from what i have read.so in my opinion bjp making problems in tippu jayanti seems absurd

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  • Suman, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Congress's lowest vote bank..miseries never heard...

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    I am disappointed with honorable Siddharamaiah's this decision of Tippu Jayanthi. Tippu was a communal and terrorist.

    British were colonial leaders - Agreed. Their buildings are still strong enough even today.

    Tippu converted Hindus and Christians forcibly to Islam.

    AND THIS TIPPU JAYANTHI IS UN-IMPERATIVE AND UN-WARRANTED.

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  • Allen, Mangaluru

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    By the way, what do you expect from two Catholic political leaders from DK who are just chamchas of Siddu?!

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  • PINTO, Doha/Qatar

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Christians would have been extinct from Mangalore had Tippu was alive and ruled for another few years. This government has nothing to do other than celebrating Jayantis of criminals for vote bank politics. Those who call Tippu as freedom fighter should re-read the history.

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  • Valerian D Souza, Udupi / Mumbai

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Because of Bunts/Hindu's some Christians were saved. So we are alive today to write these comments. Truth and History can never be changed.

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  • Abdul, jeddah

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    THE " LION OF MYSORE"
    Who fought against the hell british and participate in Freedom fighting to free India from the slave rule. Now Protest of BJP/RSS/BD //VHP is no meaning.

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  • vinay, mangaluru

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Anna, Lion of Mysore or Tiger of Mysore, I am little bit confused....

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  • Flavian, Mangaluru/Kuwait

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    History is made once again but for how long? All depends on next government in Karnataka.

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  • Sudheer, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Siddu, please the minority & next election we all will teach you lesson.

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  • Rishad , Kuwait

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Tippu Sulthan was patriotic and freedom fighter who fought for Independence of India, again when we talk about the opposition from organization this is only a political gimmick, We don't have enough evidence against Tippu Suthan of showing him as intolerant

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  • nazeer husain, jeddah saudi arabia

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Whenever we had muslims elected to assembly or parliament or became minister the chaddies used same barking of appeasement.Now about tippu because he is muslim the fascist chaddies will oppose it.Even when mangalore has muslim DC or RTO same allegation .This trend just maintained very well in so called BUDHIVANTHARA JILLE.

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  • The Guru, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    nazeer husain, jeddah saudi Arabia

    Is this same reason why Abdul Kalam was supported by BJP for president post and is it the same reason why UPA rejected his nomination from second Post???

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  • nazeer husain, jeddah saudi arabia

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Abdul khalam was a great scientist but he never had any identity of islam.Thats why he was well supported by the bjp.Now we have mukthar abbas naqvi,syed shanavaz husain ect .

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  • sunill, bengaluru

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    only those who rise above all religions will attain the ultimate truth.those who raise above all religions and see the links between all the religions will only understand the ultimate truth.

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  • Allen, Mangaluru

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    mr nazeer husain, jeddah saudi arabia,
    You are 100% correct! That is is the reason why Dr Kalaam was a peaceful, lovable and a great human being!

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  • nazeer husain, jeddah saudi arabia

    Wed, Nov 11 2015

    Mr allen ,A practicing muslim never need any certificate of anyone except allah.If you see less crime in any coubtry today thats in saudi arabia due to FULL PROTECTION OF ISLAM.When gujrat burnt the same abdul kalam cancelld his visit as per the instruction of vajpayi .AFTER ALL WHY A PEACE LOVING SCIENTIST TAKE CARE OF SUFFERING VICTIMS RIGHT?

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  • WS,

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Every Ruler punished the one who betrayed. If you apply same rule to all king...you will be left with no good king in the history.
    Shame

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  • SURESH MAROLI, MANGALORE/BAHRAIN

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Tippu Sultan is known for his cruelty towards Mangloreans (both Hindus and Catholics). All Tulu and Konkani organisations should firmly come together to oppose glorification of this despot. The Congress in indulging in minority appeasement and ignoring the truths of history.Siddaramaih will pay the price for this unnecessary controversy in next election.

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  • MILAN, DXB

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    TO DEVELOP INDIA. NEEDS TO CANCEL ALL JAYANTHI INCLUDING GANDHI JAYANTHI.
    CELEBRATING DEAD ONES BIRTHDAY IS LIKE HURTING HIM.
    INSTEAD OF CELEBRATION. JUST PRAY TO THEM. TO FORGIVE THEIR SINS

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  • Anil, Udupi/Mumbai/Dubai

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    We Udupi Christians oppose this tooth and nail.We are one of the worst victims of Tipu’s viciousness and intolerance. Many Catholic families still have poignant memories of the sufferings undergone by our great grandparents and relatives under the tyrannical hands of Tipu. He destroyed our churches. He killed our grandparents. Despite this, you wanna celebrate him, then we will show you the door in next elections!

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  • Sunil, Dubai

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Shahul, Honnali,
    If some people in a community support british, is it correct to destroy the whole community? what Tippu did was 100%wrong.

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  • India First, India

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    When it comes to our home everyone start thinking communal. This is nothing but unwanted issue politicized by Congress. What is the necessary now to celebrate Tippu Jayanthi. Celebrating Birthday is Haram in Islam itself. Better congress learn from what happened to BJP in Bihar.... More you bring religion in politics more you lose in election. It might be any party.... !

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  • Rahul, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    if it would be Vise Versa would you celebrate? Respect people in India and Live

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  • hameed, mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    this celebration is nothing but vote bank politics. reason is

    1. please see todays paper advertisement. in that govt has highlighted its scheme for minority & given all the details. when you are going to celebrate freedom fighter jayanthi why do you need to link it to minority?

    2. there are/were great personalities like, A P J Abdul Kalam, Santha Shishunala Sharief.... etc. why cant govt celebrate their birthday which will be respected by all the peoples.

    why the govt want create confusion in the society which will lead to intolerance & divide the people.

    we are already facing some problem, instead of solving that this govt create more issue which will have an impact on us.

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  • Valerian D'souza, Udupi / Mumbai

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Very correct Hameed, instead let CM Siddu celebrate great scientist, great human, APJ Kalam jayanti.

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  • Valerian D'souza, Udupi / Mumbai

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Tipu is a biggest butcher King.
    Those claiming Tipu killed Christians for they sided with British is a big conspiracy.
    It was a ploy to destroy Christians and Hindus.
    Why did then Tipu allied with French?
    If at all few sided British, why did he killed everyone for the few? Is is not CRYSTAL CLEAR RIOT?
    Many of those opposing riots, are ENDORSING Tipu's worst riots in History on Christians and Hindus and celebrating his Jayanti.

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  • Hemanth, Bangalore / mangalore /CT

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    This govt has money to celebrate tippu jayanthi but dont have enough fund to dasara.people from mysore region will defitely wipe out niraramyya and his brigade for sure...

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  • Daniel, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    ..are we developing or going back? Why can't concentrate on good governance instead of wasting time & money. Let Tippu be in the history books.
    ..whose next Jayanti now, Siddu, Kumaraswamy. Yediyurappa, Modi, Shah, Rahul, Sonia, Lalu, Nitish, Jayamma, Mamathamma....
    ISSUE WILL POLARISE THE GOVT.

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  • Mms, mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    If Tippu was a culprit, scoundrel, why his monument is built in Bangalore as well in Mysore? Secondly, why we visited those monument? Thirdly, in our childhood, there was a lesson about Tippu, why we accepted that time? So far we have heard his life style thru history, but why all of sudden we against it? Do not think in a political angle. Just think as King of this region, how he did fight against British Govt to save our region. Moreover, his dead body was laying along with other soldiers, as he was brutally killed by the British. Tippu hatsoff to you.....

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  • DON, Udupi

    Tue, Nov 10 2015



    Is siddu going RSS way.
    Tippu is a controversial figure, need debates and discussions on him before dumping his jayanthi on people who suffered under him.

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  • Praud Bhakt, Dubai

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    O Nidderamayya, When is Obama Jayanti?

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  • Navin Shetty, Manipal/ Bahrain

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    *Osama!

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  • Mahendra Shetty, Mumbai Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    WHAT A SHAME! THE MASS MURDERER GET JAYANTHI CELEBRATION AND WHERE WE ARE TOWARDSING? THE DESPERATE VOTE BANK POLITICS WILL KILL SEVERAL PEOPLES BELIEF IN SO CALLED SECULARISM....THIS IS SO CALLED SECULARISM WE ARE SPEAKING?

    CHOR NIDDERAMAYYA YOU WILL PAY HEAVILY FOR THIS MISTAKE.....DON'T THINK VOTERS IN GRANTED, YOU WILL BE THROWN OUT AFTER TWO AND HALF YEARS FOR ALL THESE MISTAKE......

    THE CURRENT GOVT KNOW VERY WELL IF THE CHRISTIANS PROTEST ALSO DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE?

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  • MILAN, DXB

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    RU TALKING ABOUT BHAGAT SINGH.

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  • Acchu, Mlore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Look at his face.

    Garva toole.

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  • Rahul, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    How can a Christian and Hindu Think of voting this Communal Congress in next coming election?

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  • TTS, Kadri

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    ಗ್ರಹಾಂ ಸ್ಟೈನ್ಸ್ ರವರನ್ನು ಕ್ರೂರವಾಗಿ ಕೊಂದವರಿಗೆ ಈಗ ಕ್ರೈಸ್ತರ ಮೇಲೆ ಅದೇಕೋ ಮಮಕಾರ. ಆದರೆ ಟಿಪ್ಪುವಿಗೆ ದೇಶದ ಮೇಲೆ ಪ್ರೀತಿ ಅಲ್ಲದೆ ಬ್ರಿಟಿಷರೆ ಮೇಲೆ ಅಲ್ಲ. ಆದ ಕಾರಣ ಉಂಡ ಮನೆಗೆ ಎರಡು ಬಗೆದವರ ಮೇಲೆ ಕ್ರಮ ಕೈಗೊಂಡದ್ದು ದೇಶದ ಹಿತಕ್ಕೋಸ್ಕರ ಅಲ್ಲದೆ ಸ್ವಾರ್ಥಕ್ಕೋಸ್ಕರ ಅಲ್ಲ.
    ಈಗ ಕ್ರೈಸ್ತ ಮುಸಲ್ಮಾನ ಮತ್ತು ಹಿಂದೂ ಎಲ್ಲರೂ ಒಗ್ಗಟ್ಟೇ ಎಂಬುದು ಮೊನ್ನೆಯ ಮತದಾನದ ಫಲದಲ್ಲಿಯೂ ಇವರಿಗೆ ಅರ್ಥವಾಗಿಲ್ಲವೇ?

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  • Lawrence, USA

    Fri, Nov 13 2015

    ಉ೦ಡ ಮನೆಗೆ ಎರಡು ಬಗೆದವರು ಕೇವಲ ಕೆಲವರು ಮಾತ್ರ.ಅ೦ತವರನ್ನು ಮಾತ್ರ ಶಿಕ್ಶಿಸದೆ, ಇಡಿ ಕ್ರೈಸ್ಥ ಸಮುದಾಯವನ್ನೆ ಕೊಲೆ ಮಾಡಿದ ರಾಕ್ಸಸನ ದಿನಾಚರಣೆ ಅಚರಿಸುವುದು ಹುಚ್ಚು ರಾಜಕೀಯ

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  • Hussain, Abudhabi

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    First DK Ravi case
    Then Yettinahole Project
    Then Prashant Poojary case
    CM Beef case
    Love Jihad Case
    Anjenaya case

    Now BJP and chaddies are jobless..Hence TIPPU CASE

    Kab sudhroge yaar ??!!

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  • JOY CASTELINO, MOODUBELLE/DUBAI

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Like BJP, Congress digging its own grave!!!!. Non sense government!!!!!!

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  • Rahul, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Not BJP dear only congress

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  • MW, DUBAI

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    INDIAN HONEST FREEDOM FIGHTER LION TIPPU SULTAN KI JAI....

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  • Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Why not Hitler Diwas ...

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  • sadiq, UAE

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Hilter is not a freedom fighter

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  • Pancha, Kuwait

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    hitler was not a freedom fighter, but he was a free lighter....he lighted jews for free....bele ijji nikleg ..volthudd vode popar.....

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  • Shahul, Honnali

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    IF TIPPU KILLED SOME PEOPLE WAS SUPPORTING BRITISH BECAUSE OF THEIR.........
    THEN WE CAN SAY IT WAS JUSTIFIED.

    NATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN BACKSTABBERS.

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  • Rahul, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    How about destroying of Temples

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  • Alphonsa Rodrigues, Udupi

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Tippu and the other kings were never freedom fighters, they fought the British to rule as Kings. This is just an attempt by Siddu to appease a certain faction for vote bank politics.

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  • ZUBAIR, UCHIL

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Happy Tippu Jayanthi...

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  • vivek, Hirebile/ Abu Dhabi

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Crazy to Have Jayanthi on every Individual!....it is Reason to create another Violence!...Tippu was Brave King for WHAT???.....for Protect his Kingdom and his Own interest!!...he was Biggest Butcher on ancient Time!!....He is Most Communal!!....HISTORY Says it...i don't support B.J.P but i support them in this matter!!.......

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  • masif, Jubail

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    ನಾವು ಒಪ್ಪಿ ಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತೇವೆ ಕೆನರಾ ಕ್ರಿಸ್ತಿಯನ್ ರನ್ನು ಕೊಂಡು ಹೋಗಿ ಕೊಂದಿದ್ದ, ಹಲವರನ್ನು ಬಿಡುಗಡೆ ಗೊಳಿಸಿದ್ದ ಇದಕ್ಕೆ ಕಾರಣ ಅವರು ಬ್ರಿಟಿಷರಿಗೆ ಸಹಾಯ ಮಾಡಿದರು ಎಂಬ ನೆಲೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಆಗಿತ್ತು, ಮೇಲೆ ತಿಳಿಸಿದಂತೆ 80000 ಜನಸಂಖೆ ಆ ಸಮಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಇತ್ತೇ????

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  • Rezy, mlore/mct

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Kings and Kingdom usually have different way to managing states compared to the way of democratic practices.

    200 years ago and earlier, every king would fight with this neighbout rival to secure his kingdom.

    IN history we can see, Hindu kings fought with hindu kings and muslim kings fought with muslim kings, also hindu and muslim kings partnered and fought against British occupation.

    Mortgaging kids for the sake of state in the hands of brithshers should have been painfull and took lots of courage.

    different versions are surfacing today about being intolerant and patriot. One should really try to know more the reality and situation prevaled during those days.

    If today he is remembered and respected in UK and Europe despite waging war with them, then there should be something extraordinary and right.

    Jai Karnataka, Jai Hindh!

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  • Shaan, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Tippu is Hindu and Christian virodi.. so why we celebrate tippu jayanthi? He is not a freedom fighter, Siddu please stop your vote bank politics here.. its not good for our state.

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  • rahil ali, kutharpadav

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Pls note that Tippu sulthan was regular feature in History text books with title Tiger of Mysore from my childhood. No body was opposing then. With due respect to my christian brothers and sisters who served the society with distinction in all services like education and health care I would like to differ with them regarding their perception towards Tippu Sulthan. Of course Tippu Sulthan might have prosecuted Christian purely on administrative reason sand their proximity with British Raj. Tippu is staunch nationalist and against colonial rule so Christians at that point in time was perceived by him as British supporters for that reason he might have persecuted them in canara district. But look at in Mysore he has given grants to Sringaptna temple, his chief adviser Poornaih was a brahmin and in Mysore the world famous church is still existent Tippu sulthan didnot harm them. Further when Maratas attacked Sririgeri mutt he protected it and reconstructed. Look at Sriranga patna Bekal fort or any fort there is a temple beside it . If tippu were to religious bigot he would have destroyed all that. Further I would like to ask my christian friend name at least one freedom fighter from christian community from canara district?. Still I respect my christian fraternity for their humanitarian selfless service to the society

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  • Pramila Fernandes, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Well Said Rahil Bhai...Good One

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  • Rahul, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Rahil - You only will say this... Why he destroyed Hindu Temples.. Create story and come back again

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  • Peter Saldanha, Udupi

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Mr Rahil..Freedom fighters are those who fight against invaders in a democratic society..Tipu was ruler he was fighting for his kingdom...hope you have sense to understand..Saddam and Col gadafi too are freedom fighters?

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  • Pramila Fernandes, Mangalore

    Wed, Nov 11 2015

    Mr. Peter In that case even Chakravarthy Ashoka was not the freedom fighter. Even he too fought for his own kingdom. Then why we have "Ashoka Chakra"in our flag and our flag on "Ashoka Pillar"

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  • Navin Shetty, Manipal/ Bahrain

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Whoever says only RSS, BJP or other hindu organizations are against Tipu Jayanti, note that, scores of Catholic organizations are also against it.

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  • Shaad, Mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Only Sanghis and british agents oppose Tippu Jayanti.
    Both never against British that time..!

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  • jeevan, mangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Why congi celebarate TYRANNICAL MURDERERS jayanti in this country???

    No doubt congi can go any extent to consolidate minority vote bank politics...

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  • MILAN, DXB

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    YEAH TIPU MURDERED MANY BRITISHERS FOR THE INDEPENDENCE.

    BHAGAT SINGH TOO MURDERED MANY BRITISHER. BUT BHAGAT SINGH TITLED AS TERRORIST IN BRITISH MUSEUM BUT NOT TIPU. ACCORDING TO BRITISH

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  • TTS, Kadri

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    ಉತ್ತರ ಪ್ರದೇಶದಲ್ಲಿ ಲವ್ ಜಿಹಾದ್, ಬಿಹಾರದಲ್ಲಿ ದನ ರಾಜಕೀಯ ಮಾಡಿದ BJP ಅಲ್ಲಿ ಸಂಪೂರ್ಣ ವಿಫಲವಾಯಿತಲ್ಲದೆ ಅಲ್ಲಿ ಹೀನಾಯ ಸೋಲು ಕಂಡಿತು. ಈಗ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದಲ್ಲಿ ಟಿಪ್ಪು ರಾಜಕೀಯ ಮಾಡಲು ಹೊರಟಿದೆ.ದೇಶಭಕ್ತ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರೆಲ್ಲರೂ ಟಿಪ್ಪು ಆರಾಧಕರು.ಕೆಲವೊಂದು ಗೋಡ್ಸೆ ಭಕ್ತರ ಪಿತೂರಿ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ನಡೆಯೋಲ್ಲ ಅಂತ ಇವರು ಇನ್ನಾದರೂ ಕಲಿಯಲಿ.

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  • Acchu, Mlore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015


    Jai Tippu sultan.

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  • RonRon, Udupi

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    How stupid this Government celebrating Tippu Jayanti, who tortured and killed thousands of canara Christians....

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  • Shahul, Honnali

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    RSS is trying hard to defame a true patriot who fought against British.

    RSS using some members of its minority wing to show protest.

    But a nationalist Hindu,Muslim,Christians always supported Tippu and they will support Tippu Sultan infuture also.

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  • Roshan, Mangaluru

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    I written in my earlier comment and wish to elaborate on the same.

    1. There is no political gain for congress. This is a stupid idea. Muslims do not associate very much with a yester years king. Their need today, I understand is getting rid of criminal tag and social acceptability. Part of which need to come from within and the other part from society. Simple illustration is renting a flat. There is requirement of change within and also recognizing that change and encouraging.

    2. Christians on the other end could find themselves tagged as un-patriotic, as Tipu saw them at his times. RSS and BJP will make every attempt to drive this point to masses.

    3. With nothing to showcase on Modi Govt., fringe elements of RSS and BJP will make this as a biggest issue to invoke passion. I would not blame them for that, as congress itself given them a issue in a platter.

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  • A, Bangalore

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    what more can we expect from anti hindu congress..

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  • PEDDU, MANGALURU

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    SIDDU LOST HIS SENSE AND HE WANT TO BE DEBACLE OF CONGRESS IN THE STATE !!

    HE DOESN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FREEDOM AND KINGDOM

    TIPU FOUGHT FOR HIMSELF NOT FOR THE PEOPLE !!!

    NOW ONE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT STRONG MAFIA BEHIND THE CELEBRATIONS ALSO BEHIND WITH COW STEALING AND SLAUGHTERING

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  • Ahmed, DOH / IXE

    Tue, Nov 10 2015

    Tipu Sulthan was a great son of India who fought for independence. We should celebrate Tippu Jayanthi. We all should be proud as he is a kannadiga.

    BJP & bhakthas hell bent on stopping this day and celebrate Godse Jayanthi.

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