Mangalore: 'Konkani Vs English Liturgy' - A Misunderstood Concept?


Mangalore: 'Konkani Vs English Liturgy' - A Misunderstood Concept?

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In response to the public opinion published under the article, 'Konkani Activists Seek Ban on 'English in Liturgy' in Mangalore Diocese' on daijiworld.com last week, Konkani Prachar Sanchalan, headed by Roy Castelino wants to clarify the subject in the following manner:

 

TO PRESERVE A COMMUNITY,

ONE MUST PRESERVE ITS CULTURAL IDENTITY


When a language dies, a culture dies.

And when a culture dies, a community dies with it.


Konkani being a linguistic minority language, our intention is to awaken the community to the perils of falling into a depth virtually leading to annihilation.  

In the din and barrage of the accusations (most of them unfortunately personal) clogging the internet the real issue of ‘the relationship between language, culture, religion, identity and community’ is being stifled.  While many can be forgiven for not keeping themselves informed, the attempt by a few to interpret a purely cultural issue as a religious one and in the name of religion, hurt in the long run one’s own language, culture and community, is most tragic.  

We address this to the sensible and the responsible. 

Every community today is being bombarded by the onslaught of globalisation.  Westernisation is threatening all cultures and the English language indirectly is causing the extinction of many languages.  The Mangalorean-Konkani-Catholic-Community (like all other regional communities) is also a victim of this juggernaut.  The war is on, whether we like it or not.  The only way to survive and emerge winners is –

(i) not by surrendering ourselves, but by riding on it and harnessing its advantages,

(ii) not by becoming the slaves of the English language but by mastering the same,

(iii) not by being uprooted by the flood of globalization, but by being rooted in one’s culture and identity -  while at the same time living in harmony with other languages and cultures.  Those who argue for total surrender in the name of survival, argue not only to divide our community, but to destroy it.

Konkani Prachar Sanchalan proposes to awaken our people to the above mentioned realities in a bid to save our language, culture and community from extinction.  

The IInd Vatican Council decreed that liturgy be in the vernacular and as a result, Konkani was naturally introduced as the language of liturgy in the Diocese of Mangalore.  Though Konkani was not taught in schools then, because ‘dotorn’ was being taught in Konkani, all of us learnt to read and write Konkani.  We as a community, prayed together, stayed together.  Konkani was never a threat to our unity, on the other hand, Konkani was, and certainly is, a symbol of our unity and identity.

As our love for English grew, we began to attribute ‘prestige’ to it and our sense of pride (‘swabhimaan’) towards our own language and culture was replaced by a sense of shame. As a result, instead of speaking to our children in our mother tongue Konkani, many of us (specially the affluent and the neo-rich) sought to enhance our status by speaking to them in English.  The argument that – ‘because our children study in English medium schools it is but natural that they speak English at home’ – does not hold water, because, when most of us studied in Kannada medium schools none of us ever dreamt of bringing Kannada into our homes.

And then the same sense of ‘false prestige’ influenced the church authorities to introduce catechism in the place of ‘dotorn’ and in a stroke, dealt a death–blow to the future of Konkani and Konkani Literature by ensuring that our children would no longer be able to speak, read nor write Konkani.  With the introduction of English masses (in some churches of Mangalore city), the final death knell of the unity and identity of our community was rung.  The community that so far prayed together, was mercilessly divided into 2 – the English / and the Konkani Christians, the ‘fashionable’/ and the ‘traditionalists’, the ‘progressive’/ and the ‘retrogrades’, the ‘haves’/ and the ‘have-nots’.  Konkani always united us and English has now divided us.


Having tasted victory in capturing many a Konkani territory, the English protagonists have launched and all-out offensive to destroy the unity and identity of our community.  The church which has always taken pride in the fact that it has been the chief promoter and protector of the Konkani language, but which has, under pressure, passively tolerated the English language invasion, can no longer allow things to deteriorate further, because, the unity and the very identity of our community is at stake.

The leaders of Konkani Prachar Sanchalan, who have proved, time and again, their commitment to the social, religious, cultural, economic and political welfare of our community, and have provided active and effective leadership whenever the community was under threat (from within or form without); with the same sense of responsibility approached the Bishop of Mangalore -

(i) to acquaint him with the gravity of the threat to our unity caused by the intrusion of English in our liturgy,

(ii) to request him for remedial action,

(iii) to assure him of our support,

(iv) to apprise him regarding the ‘Konkani Awareness Week campaign’ (Dec. 7 to 14) Prachar Sanchalan was conducting and also,

(v) to invite him to inaugurate the ‘Konakni-in-Liturgy Samavesh’ on December 14.

His Lordship re-affirmed his and the church’s support for Konkani. Assured us that the church will not allow Konkani to be replaced by any other language in liturgy. Complimented us for awakening our people regarding the danger to our unity and identity. Wished the ‘Samavesh’ well, and expressed his inability to inaugurate the same due to prior commitments.  During the ‘Konkani Zagvonne Hafto’, letters were sent to all priests of the diocese. Nearly 80 parishes were personally visited. 20,000 handbills were distributed and a sincere attempt to awaken our community was made.  While doing all this great care was taken to see that the matter does not go outside the community. 

The ‘Samavesh’ was inaugurated by Msgr. Alexander D’souza (former Vicar General). Rev. Dr. Pratap Naik (a linguist and a Jesuit priest) delivered the key note address. Every one was allowed to express opinions freely.  Based on the discussions, the following resolutions were passed -

Considering the division and the confusion created with the introduction of English catechism and masses, so that the situation may not be allowed to deteriorate, we request the Lord Bishop to evolve a clear-cut Language Policy, in consultation with Konkani Organisations such as Konkani Prachar Sanchalan.  Until such time that the Official Language Policy of the diocese is evolved and announced, status quo to be maintained.

While evolving the Official Language Policy, this gathering appeals to the Lord Bishop to consider –

(i) only Konkani as the official language,

(ii) catechism only in Konkani,

(iii) existing English masses to be shifted to non-prime time and gradually discontinued.

This Gathering appeals to all Konkani catholics to preserve Konkani - at home, in liturgy and at social gatherings, and to encourage children to learn Konkani in schools as a third language. This gathering also appeals to all people to preserve the unity of our community, at any cost.
 
After the ‘Samavesh’, the issue will be pursued with vigour, zeal, enthusiasm and earnestness and with a great sense of responsibility.  As the issue is delicate and can easily be misinterpreted, great care will be taken to see that inimical forces are not allowed to take advantage and cause harm to our community.

The unity and the identity of our community will never be compromised and we shall do whatever is humanly possible to preserve it.


The leadership of Konakni Prachar Sanchalan is in the hands of those same people –

(i) who were responsible for elevating our language to a higher plane by introducing Konkani in the school curriculum in Karnataka,

(ii) who awakened our community to their political responsibility by spearheading the ‘Cast-Your-Vote Andolan’;
(iii) who risked their lives and personal safety while leading the community in its reaction to the attacks on our places of worship,

(iv) who hoisted the Konkani flag over the globe by including Konkani in the Guinness Book of World Records,

(v) who have always been the first to respond to every genuine need of our community,

(vi) who are all achievers, very successful in their own professions, and

(vii) who have contributed qualitatively to the development of our society.


They are the proven, accepted leaders of our society.      Anyone –

(i) who tries to label them as ‘irresponsible’,

(ii) ridicules them as ‘good-for-nothing’ people who have nothing better to do,

(iii) baptizes them as ‘language fanatics’,

(iv) condemns them as ‘anti-community’,

(v) damns them as ‘dividers of our society’,

(vi) belittles them as ‘regressive’, and

(vii) challenges their ability to achieve the goals they have set-out to achieve, – is totally not in touch with reality and needs to introspect.


We reaffirm that we are definitely not against English or any other language for that matter.  We certainly understand the need for our people to learn English to be successful in this modern world.  However, we feel responsible not to allow our community to be a cultureless, self-respectless society which seeks ‘false pride’ in blindly imitating the west, its language and culture. We pledge to do everything in our power to preserve Konkani language and culture, and in doing so, shall preserve the unity, integrity and identity of our community. 


WE HAVE MET THE LORD BISHOP ON FRIDAY, DEC 19, 2008, AND HAVE PRESENTED TO HIM THE RESOLUTIONS OF THE ‘SAMAVESH’. 

Long live Konkani. Long live our identity.  Long live our community

Konkani Prachar Sanchalan

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  • John, Bombay

    Thu, Oct 15 2009

    The Mangalore Diocese should strictly reject this meaningless proposal.

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  • Edmund Pereira, Mangalore/Toronto

    Sat, Dec 27 2008

    The Konkani activists insist on missing the point. I will pray for your enlightenment.

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  • Ancy Paladka, Mumbai

    Sat, Dec 27 2008

    Some organisers think that people are attracted to English in the Metros. But this is not true always. Recently a Konkani Organisation in Mumbai organised a Musical Nite in Konkani, English, Hindi and Marathi. The programme started with Konkani Songs. There were about 500 audiance. Then followed the English, Hindi and Marathi Songs. But when the Konkani Songs were over and the the songs of other languages were started all the people started moving. There left only 20 people for the English, Hindi, Marathi songs. Our organisers and our religious leaders should know that people want to get united with their language and their culture.

    In metros the Konkani Mass is kept at non-prime times. Also the parents are bound to attend english mass because it follows the catechism for children. As they have to accompany their children both they and the children are bound to attend only English Masses. I remember another Konkani programme held by Goans. The MC started announcing in English. All the people stood up and stopped the MC and demanded to announce in Konkani. Poor MC. He was very poor in Konkani.

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  • Simon Lasrado, sullia/bangalore

    Wed, Dec 24 2008

    This konkani vs English Liturgy may be a misuunderstanding factor in Mangalore and its surrounding areas. But here in Bangalore we have kannada vs Konkani and kannada vs tamil..is common to watch. Though we have 12 konkani associations in Basngalore city itself, most of the associations never maintain konkani as a main factor. When there is a konkani function, Mass will be said in English,followed by speaches in English, games, carrol singing, everything will be in English..

    finally when it comes to food and hot drinks,people will start talking Konkani.What a shame to most of the konkani associations in B'lore.I maintain talking konkani strictly at home and even with any mangi konkani. Many a times WE call those associations as "KONKINGLISH CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION.Has any mangalorean settled down in B'lore observed this? Long live Konkani..!!

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  • adolf, mlore

    Wed, Dec 24 2008

    why this fuss about liturgy? see this actual thing happened in bendore on 21.12.08. (1) First holy communion was booked for 5 pm mass. Parish priest wanted to have a funeral mass alongside first holy communion? is this is allowed ? What the bishops re-action? (2) due to various problems this year christmas is a low profile celebration. in most places kuswar is stopped. but parish priest insist on exchaning kuswar and having games after the night mass!!!! I request parisheners to go home after the mass in solidarity with our bretheren in orisaa....

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  • Janet Sequeira D'souza, Mangalore/AbuDhabi

    Tue, Dec 23 2008

    Infiltration! Cross-border infiltration I would boldly say! The Konkani Activists,in their zeal to promote Konkani,are treading the fine line of worship and language (mode of worship)and trying to sabotage the church. The church in it's wisdom has stood tall and strong for 2000 years, mainly because it didn't allow it to be sabotaged by any one particular country, race or language and it has grown, has been growing and will continue to grow without the help of any lobbyists.Which means the church knows what it is doing and is fully capable of taking the church to it's height! So, please stay out of this and concentrate on promoting your various interests(whatsoever they are) through other channels, like Konkani dramas,short story competitions, supporting the local weeklies and magazines like Poinnari, Raknno, sevak, Jezu Rai etc. Go door to door and try to increase the subsriptions for these. They are doing a better job and spreading the message more effectively. Long Live Konkani.

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  • Jose Kurian, Trichur

    Tue, Dec 23 2008

    I was always wondering why the catholics of Mangalore are so much inclined to English. The comments to this write-up is an example. I am studying at a college about 35 kilometers away from Mangalore, but on every Sunday I travel to Kankanady Mangalore to attend the services here, because I feel comfortable to pray in Malayalam. I am not the only one, many students come from far away places. If I am not wrong, in Trichur Arch-Diocese there is only one English mass in the Basilica Church at 6.30 in the evening and same in the Latin church. None of the shrines, convents there have English mass.  In this scenerio, people who work for their mother tongue are ridiculed and commented bad. I wonder why the religious people also do not support this.

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  • Lawrence Sequiera, Bantwal

    Tue, Dec 23 2008

    It is painful to read some one commenting ‘Konkani is a dying language..Many of us ignore our mother tongue, our culture and go behind English blindly. I know this will not be understood by many because good number of our people do not bother about identity, culture..Mr. Roy Castelino and friends you are doing a wonderful job..the need of the day is to preserve our identity. I am sure our dear Lord Bishop is with you because he has vision and wisdom to preserve our mother tongue. I have heard of him compelling people to speak in their mother tongue, to pray at home in mother tongue. You are doing a good job. May God bless you all. Let many people join your group to preserve our cultural identity.

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  • Lydia, USA

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    How would the world be if all cultures gave up their languages and spoke English in their homes. No the Germans, the Italians, the French, the Japanese do not do that. Nor for that matter Tamilians and Keralites. There is a difference between learning and speaking English as an language compared to Supplanting our traditions and culture with English and all things English.

    I live in the US and I tell you I love the language. But I love Konkani all the more, it is my mother tongue, the language of my culture and traditions. I have taught my kids to speak multiple languages and but they know what their mother tongue is. When we visit Mangalore and meet friends I am just appalled to hear their kids say they do not understand or speak Konkani. What are we doing to ourselves. Why do we have to put on this pretension.

    Learn English, its the global language of commerce, but not at the cost of your own language and traditions. Let us give Konkani the right place in our families and homes, let our children learn the Konkani language right from the cradle. It is their mother tounge, its the best gift you can give your child. Let them also learn English and learn it well, but we do not need to adopt English as our mother tongue to learn it. Its a foolish thing to do. Arvind Adiga has won the brooker prize for a novel in English, but he does not speak English in his home.

    So you do not need to anglicize yourself to be a super achiever, quite the contrary authentic folks are better achievers than those who put on a pretense. While bans and things of that sort are divisive the diocese of Mangalore and Udupi needs to start an concerted long term plan to phase out English so it stops being a sort of status symbol that it has become in our Canara culture.

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  • A.D'Cunha Shenoy, Mangaluru

    Tue, Dec 23 2008

    As per UN over 3000 languages alone(dialects not counted) over the years and with that, identities of people are vanished. This is a grave tragedy they say, should I say genocide of a identity or ethnic cleansing? You be the judge. The colonial onslaught is primarily responsible for this state of affairs. Where ever, the western colonization existed, the westerners made sure that their languages became prominent and they became the official languages killing the local languages. Look at the example of US, Canada, Australia, South America and Africa and so on. All native languages of aboriginal peoples evaporated. Today even the aboriginal people are hand counted.

    This is nothing but ethnic cleansing in a systematic way. The colonizers never made the languages of Aboriginal natives as a national langauge. Why? A simple reason- preservation of their identity. Predominent in this are English, Spanish, French, Dutch and so on. Same thing applies to India as well. Despite our languages were diverse, the English even succeeded in making English a language but they never succeeded to kill our langauges because Indian people were diverse and lingistically visible accross India. This is agreat achievement for India. While many argue does Konkani provide us our daily bread? my answer to those, Is hebrew a dead language, now resurrected by Israel provide them daily bread? or are Isralis are starving? Recently I read, in England the schools are introducing Sanskrit as one of the languages.

    While many other western nations are embracing and introducing Chinese, Korean, Italian, polish, spanish and so on., because of demand and visibility, some of our brethern in India want to lose their own language to a substitute. This is a sad state of affairs in my mind. I am not sure why this mentality. Heres my thought to those skeptics. PRESERVE what you have (but add more) because you will never have it, once its lost.

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  • Merwin, Mangalore/Dubai

    Tue, Dec 23 2008

    I come across many Mangaloreans on a regular basis who speak in  English in spite of my repeated attempts to converse in Konkani. Could it be that they are averse to speaking in Konkani because they attend English masses? I doubt very much. Please look elsewhere if you really want to keep the language live.

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  • A.D'Cunha Shenoy, Mangaluru

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    When a language is lost, an identity is lost. It takes a real sense and wisdom to understand this phenomenon. What you all are doing is immensely required in todays times where local languages are disappearing not only in India but around the world and so also vanishing of a cultural identity. Please carry on your effort in preserving our mother tounge and vastly ignore anything that blocks your efforts. Long live Konkani and long live your efforts. Konkani must live at all costs, its our identity and it must not die.

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  • Sunitha Pinto, Vamanjoor

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Going through the negative comments, I feel people have not understood what the prachar sanchalan is trying to convince. They are telling to study in English, learn that language in school, and are trying to convince us that we should not become the slaves of English. Many of us still have love and or infatuations to British.

    If this generation were present during independence movement they would have opposed Mahatma Gandhi and would have told him ‘you studied English and became a lawyer...why you want the Englishmen to leave us and go. Let them be here and teach us English’ Thank God, these were not there or else Gandhiji would have to take more fasts to convert these! Mr. Roy Castelino, you are a true son of Konkani mother! There are many people who have land, many builders who do the business but no one has donated land and built a Konkani Cultural Center like you. Mr. Eric Ozario, you are great-there were many working in bank, but no one left the bank job and dedicated their life to preserve the Konkani.

    Dr. Edward, there are many catholic doctors, but no one has written in Konkani or worked for Konkani as you are doing… you are the leaders for our mother tongue.. It takes time for the people to realize what you are doing. continue your work. The history will salute you for your vision.

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  • Adrin Fernandes, Udupi

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Please do not try to promote Konkani at the expense of another Language, in this case English. Let us teach our children only Konkani and see how many will prosper. D.K. and Udupi are Cosmopolitan cities.

    If you want to promote Konkani do the proper groundwork and do not blame other languages. Look at china, because they are not as proficient as us in English we could invade the world and capture the IT business to our advantage. Do not impose Konkani on anyone.

    It should be promoted with love and awareness, and not by hating another language. We are integrating with the world economy, let us get rid of our narrow mindedness, and learn to live in a world that is full of competition and excitement.

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  • Norbert Baretto, Bangalore

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Dear Mr. Roy and others, do not discouraged by the comments of these people. When whole world is talking about money, globalization and other things at their own perspective, you people are standing different with a clear vision and with a noble purpose. All the best to you. Many of those who reacted negatively have not understood what you want to convey. Most of them are worried of their own benefit-look at the globalization and other aspects the people talk about. These days’ people are only worried to increase their bank balance. They are least bothered about the cultural onslaught, moral depletion etc.

    In Mangalore diocese the English mass is now available only in the parishes of city of Mangalore, not outside- if I am not wrong may be 7 to 8 parishes out of nearly 160 parishes of the diocese have English mass. Prevail upon the clergy and the religious leaders convince them so that English mass is not started at other parishes. I am sure our diocesan clergy are more sensible and will support you. Do not pressurise to stop the English masses in the existing parishes, let them be shifted to Sunday evening or early morning. Those who really need, let them attend these.

    As Ancy Paladka has said, let the children study English in schools. I am surprised at the comment of some stating that the language issue divides the people. Do not compare this to Tamil-kannada issue of Bangalore or marati issue of Mumbai. What happened in Bangalore-Mysore was on different issues all together. There a group of clergy, the priests- instigated the people of one state over the other for their power gain. It was shameful, these priests misbehaved at the consecration of Bishop Jerald Lobo in Shimoga. Now one or two of them got the prime posts, and there is no agitation. That was political. Here people are trying to preserve the mother tongue by preventing the onslaught of English. This is not a fight of one group over the other.

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  • Sarita D'Souza, Valencia/Kuwait

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Very well said "existing English masses to be shifted to non-prime time and gradually discontinued". Be prepared for gradual exodus and migration of English speaking Catholics to other states and nations. Do not be surprised either if they change thier loyalties and worship in prayer houses of other divisions of christian faith. Then let the balance handful konkani fanatics lick their festered wounds and enjoy the sole priority of being konkani mass goers.

    Many of our so called konkani activists have migrated to other nations and are keeping konkani alive in other countries by forming groups involving konkani lovers and having a lot of activities. Not by attending masses in Konkani. A privilege for them if there is a konkani mass in those countries. Fr Roque D'Souza's comments are worth considering. All these comments should be passed on to to our beloved Bishop who is the right authority to take a decision benefitting all concerned. He was sensible enough to refrain from attending this Konkani Activists meet. Prior commitments must have just been an excuse. Probably knew that his attendance would hurt many a catholic and thus kept himself away. I have great admiration for him and have faith that he as a good shepherd will not let his flock go astray.

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  • Albert lobo, Bondel/USA

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    WOW - I am amazed that people actually don't mind killing a language/mother tongue to protect the religion. We are happy with latin.. how does latin ensure our future??. We seem to be so proud of english now. I do not see any of those hindu's ask that their slokhas be chanted in english. Folks, I don't speak konkani very well, but I would still support it, and there is no harm if the Liturgy is in konkani. Go to kerala and they have it in malayalam. I can only remember my grandparents in terms of konkani and not english. Perhaps, I am a cheap christian.

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  • Felix F., India/ME

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Fr Roque D'Souza has made it crystal clear, which I am sure will be acceptable to all. Language/cultural issues should not be confused to, nor allowed to interfere with Christian faith and Church matters. Let the church leaders who are well aware of the day to day developments decide on this issue. As for Konkani activists there are so many avenues they can explore to promote Konkani though not required. Konkani films, Konkani TV serials, Konkani Dramas, Just to name a few

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  • Richy, Dubai

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    This Konkani/English Liturgy is a totally non issue for all of us today, just as a time pass everyone is just pulling one another when there are better things to take care, most the churches in the two dist. it is mainly konkani except Mangalore city and Manipal(a small parish), so it is not the issue of konkani being wiped out, and even if English is shifted to non prime time there should not be a big deal as long as you love chirst and your faith is strong you will keep the time to go to church when you feel comfortable, konkani has been our language and it should continue because we go out to earn money abroad doesn't mean we can ignore the language like our parents who were not so fortunate and who don't know to speak english we can't disown them.

    According to Mr. annu bantwal, the monthly konkani mass in UAE churches are only in the late evening when all the masses of all the majority understood languages are said and only once a month because even that there is no full attendance except on some feast or cultural gatherings prime time are devoted to English where majority understand so the English people community should fear of the English Mass be removed that wont happen and our presumtion should not prevail, so lets live in harmony and not drag on these too silly matter, Mangalore diocese is well respected and has been well known all over, we had great leaders who have stood by us in time of need, many have been good leaders all over many priest have excelled many bishops are doing good service all over the world and lets live in peace, if Konkani has to be the main language so be it, why make such a big fuss our two disricts will have a identity at least. Merry Christmas to all

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  • Marcel Lasrado, Bantwal/Mumbai

    Tue, Dec 23 2008

    I congratulate Konkani Prachar Sanchalan for keeping the spirit alive of Konkani language and culture in the churches of Mangalore diocese. My dear Mangalorean people, please attend Mass in Konkani and try to keep this konkani language alive. We got ample opportunities to study and improve English languages.

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  • Alwyn, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Dear Konkani Activists, I commend what you do for Konkani but keep your activism confined to the language and do not interfere in religious matters. You might be the so called keepers of the language but you are not the keepers of the faith/religion, as some of you do not have a very good reputation when it comes to religion.

    As Konkani is spoken by people of other religions too,and as you are acting as the so called guardians of Konkani, if you have the guts and unflinching love for Konkani, then please try to stop the Arabic prayers of the Bhatkal Muslims in their mosques and the Sanskrit prayers of Saraswat Konkanas in their temples............

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  • Alphonso D'Souza, Bendoor / Dubai

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Dear Roy, we do not need any of your advice to express one's own opinion. There is no harm in having multi-language Liturgy as we do it in Dubai or elsewhere. Don't profess it to be banned. When you have the right to defend, others have the right to express too.

    A Language can live for ages provided it is spoken within the families. Please go around and see how many of your own relatives speak that language. I speak to my family, my kinds and my friends without a bit of hesitation but that has not brought hatred for English in me. Any language is beautiful if understood well.

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  • Cyril D'Cunha, Mangalore/UAE

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    As someone wrote correctly, "We do not need any cultural groups to dictate things to us nor do we want them to interfere or dictate terms to the Church or its authority". I like to add Two things to that. In India Christianity also morality is vanishing. And the languages are flourishing. Secondly If you do not know christ, seek him. You will have peace. Do not persecute him (his followers) with the concept of selling languages in the church, you will loose everything. I am a born konkani mangalorean catholic, who live in UAE and speak very rich konkani all the time in my office and at home. But my breath is "'Christ".

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  • Kevin Mascarenhas, Mangalore/UAE

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    I beg to differ with this article. Point is who decides which language to be used in Liturgy and for who's benefit. Even the clergy has to evolve and we have seen them do that from the time of breakaway groups from the catholic church. In essence one should vividly learn a language and excell in it for pure love of it. Not by imposing and taking false pride of being the leaders and promoters of the language. World is seeing a meltdown, people are facing more important issues, none of those who make all these so called linguistic efforts will be able to use the very same language to beg for food. India has 78% of the population living barely on Rs20/- a day. Let a language die like so many before(including the one spoken by Lord Jesus- Of Love) and go down in history. Wake up to real issues.

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  • Jude, Mangalore Dubai

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Dear Mr Nicholas Canada, Where in my comments have i said not to speak konkani or teach your children konkani. Some have understood what i have been trying to convey and some have not. My irritaion is against people who call for a ban on english masses. They blame that one mass in most parishes as the cause for the demise of konkani language and culture. Firstly you cannot and should not mix your faith with language.

    Secondly you cannot promote one language by killing another. For your information i speak konkani at home, our prayers at home are said in konkani,i buy every new release of konkani music, we sing konkani songs at our parties, our children too speak konkani at home, and i have never felt that english has in any way been the cause for destroying my konkani culture and language. It has helped me progress in my career and also helped me explain myself and my roots to others in the multicultural environment that i work in. I believe you do the same thing in Canada too.

    Calling for a ban on english mass is simply intolerance and disrespect for others feelings and opinions. We cannot allow a few self appointed protectors of our language to take decisions for the majority. I have given many suggestions on how to promote our language. We are with these leaders if they are genuinely for promotion of konkani, but not for the present direction that they are planning to take us. That will not serve the purpose of konkani culture and will only divide our community.

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  • vincent Vaz, Udipi

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    The language protagonists are creating divide among the Konkani speaking people by bringing the language issue inside the church. Let them remember God understands if we put forth our intentions in any language of our choice. The language will flourish when it is growing in a free atmoshere rather than a controlled one like dictates from religious heads. When we read the resolutions of the protagonists, it appears that they are set out to achieve something other than the development of Konkani. Let God only enlighten them!

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  • felix j pinto, bendur, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Konkani langauge has history of 5000 years...It is also included in the 8th schdule of our constitution. over 50lac people are talking this beautiful langauge.It wont die.stop worring.

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  • Steve, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Thanks Jude,you have written exactly and perfect. I endorse your opinion fully. English is the medium we study and get a job to earn our daily bread. Konkani activists dont feed you by making you a konkani mass goer or speaking person . But let me tell you I love konkani and probably have done more to it then the so called upstart saviours of konkani who sprouted of late.

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  • Richard Pinto, Mangalore/Israel

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    When every one knows konkani is dying language it is no point in promoting it. Poeple should have choice to and speak their own language of their choice and it is no point in making mandatory. My analysis shows mangalore is behind from other places is only because they speak konkani. The people who speaks ENGLISH have reached world wide and earned the name and fame. We should have made English as compulsory langauage for mangaloreans last 50 years back and today world would have recognised us.

    Other day I was with two other friends in Hampankatta and some people noticed that we are konkani speaking people and we got beating from them. Who is responsible for this.Today my family is speaking good english and educated in English and they are all doctors in U.S.A. This is just because English is our foundation. ENGLISH IS OUR FUTURE.

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  • Guru Baliga, Bantwal/New Delhi

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    I am not commenting to give my openion on Internal Issue of Catholics in Mangalore. But I just want to congratulate whole of mangalorean catholic brethern for keeping the spirit of Konkani alive. I appreciate and recognise their contribution to the Konkani Literature. I was always amazed to know that Catholics write letters in Konkani. Where as we GSBs used to write in Kannada or English. I can now understand the secret behind the development of Konkani writing skills in them. As the article suggests: "because ‘dotorn’ was being taught in Konkani, all of us learnt to read and write Konkani"

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  • Antony T. D' Souza, Karkala/Qatar

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    I personally congratulate, Konkani Prachar Sanchalan for their commitment, dedication and succeeding to achieve a very good result in the Karnataka or worldwide for the Konkani language in a very short time.

    However, responsible people who would like to implement Konkani language, a few suggestions to keep their houses in order first :

    • Never scandal others while your children having fun in the English dialect in the social gatherings.
    • Keep an open mind on every aspects as you are drawing attention for.
    • It is required to implement Konkani studies also for the future priests and nuns in the seminary and in the convent as it is done in Kerala, Tamilnadu and Arabian or Muslim countries in their vernacular languages.
    • Konkani signboards along with English to be established in all the churches and Christian institutes.

    It is impossible to bring sudden death knell to English Liturgy either by Bishop or by Konkani Prachar Sanchalan because it does not serve the purpose of the mass Christian community in any way for the present or future society. Instead of public tussle, it is wise both Konkani Liturgy and English Liturgy worshippers discuss this matter in every churches and finally through the Bishop or his representatives for a peaceful and amicable solution to keep our identity and culture alive as every Mangalorian is carving for.

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  • Jude, Mangalore Dubai

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    The responses from both Fr. Roque D'Souza and Agnello are fantastic. I fully endorse their sensible and realistic remarks. Whatever you do for konkani, keep your faith away from it. Konkani is not dead and is not dying.

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  • Ashok Fernandes, Mangalore/Kuwait

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    The whole country of India is beating the war of drums to fight terrorism and create a peaceful India, while some ambitious so called self proclaimed leaders in the name of culturists instead of minding their own business and gaining cultural mileage have been going off beat playing their own music pulling the wrong strings for their own personal gains.

    The need of the hour is patriotism and with the recent riots between Christians and Hindus and now our contradiction on the language issue proves that we are not, I repeat we are not at all ‘united’, and above all lack patriotism. Right now let us be with India as Indians and support our fight against terrorism than create a division within our community. Do not be a judge within our community and try to impose or ban things as we are all equally educated and know what we do and moreover excel in our own professions successfully wherever and whichever part of the world we are in, communicating both in Konkani, English and whatever language we seem to know.

    Please do not underestimate each other and divide our community. Instead unite and be an Indian first. Yes, it is true that some do not encourage Konkani and feel ashamed to speak Konkani because they know English. This does not mean that you ban English from our Church totally. Most of us even read the bible in English. All you can do is put down your opinions and create an awareness to speak Konkani than try to impose a particular language for prayer. Do not forget that we are living in a free world.

    First of all majority of Konkani speakers who know English as well, have realized this issue long before this 'samawesh' was established and have been teaching and talking in Konkani to their siblings to retain the very roots of Konkani. We do not need any cultural groups to dictate things to us nor do we want them to interfere or dictate terms to the Church or its authority.

    To help the non community members i.e. Christians from other states in Mangalore (non Konkani speakers) other than mass in Konkani and English, we could also introduce a mass in our National Language i.e. Hindi. Jai Hind!!!

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  • Maxim Lobo, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Very good article there. I wish the whole discussion creats an awareness as to the real danger Konkani faces - not from the beautiful English language but from those English speaking people who think of shutting out konkani just because it doesn't serve, doesn't give jobs, doesn't inflate one's Ego! But there's no need to discontinue English mass atleast in some places for those who absolutely need it. So, please no antagonism and no settling personal scores!

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  • Violet Fernandes, bantwal/doha

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    now there is konkani mass every Friday morning here in Qatar.Fr. Gasper Fernandes is a very good priest and we really appreciate his hard work towards konkani and also trying his best for unity with Goans and Mangaloreans.we pray almighty God to give him good strength, courage and everything for his mission and Good Luck to u all Konkani Prachar Sanchalan. In mangalore i think there should be at least one mass in a week only for foreign visitors who doesn't know konkani at all.i can see clearly that konkani activist are trying to keep konkani alive and this is necessary and they are not against of English.please try to understand.

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  • Jude, Mangalore Dubai

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Many of the comments praise Mr Roy Castelino and other leaders for their work in enhancing konkani. Nobody denies their efforts or are against it. My only objection is why target english in the bargain. You cannot build one language over the murder of another. Only a few churches in Mangalore have english mass and that too one mass during the entire week. All the other masses are in konkani. It is not the other way around. I would have been supportive of this cause if that was the case.

    Therefore one simply cannot support this mission of so called konkani development whose 1 point agenda is to stop that one english mass. How can one english mass destroy konkani language and culture?. So many other tools are available to help propogate the language like awareness seminars, exhibitions, dramas, cultural events, distributing konkani publications and magazines free of charge, working with other konkani speaking communities and introducing one additional subject Konkani in our local schools. This is what will help enhance our culture instead of a meaningless fight over one english mass and mixing faith and language.

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  • Valerian Alva, Dubai/Moodubelle

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    "When a language dies, a culture dies. And when a culture dies, a community dies with it". It says it all. Let us understand one thing. no one is against English language, English is necessary to live & survive in this modern world. But let us not bring English to our homes. Let us continue with our community identity which is Konkanni. Let us not forget Konkanni. Otherwise our next generation will not forgive us for this great mistake. Dear Roy and taem, you are doing a great job and we are with you. Thanks Valerian Alva

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  • Janet D'Souza , Mangalore, Mangaore , Kuwait

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    "existing English masses to be shifted to non-prime time and gradually discontinued." Dear Roy, tell me just one answer, what will happen to non-Mangalorean Catholics settled in Mangalore. Where will they go, to join 'New Life'? Hello D.Pinto , Mangalore ,first think about our people and do something good for them. Those who are working for a good cause they have their own business still they think about our Konkani language and Konkani people. WE CAN NOT DEMAND KONKANI OTHER THAN South Kanara. Why can't you learn Konkani? Love Konkani our mother language. Pls allow them to do some good thing for Konkani. 

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  • Vincy, Mulky/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    There are both multi-language mass celebrated in churches (where required). I will attend the mass which I comfortable with and I feel a part in that mass celebration. I don't want XYZ to tell me or DICTATE ME of my choices. Thanks.

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  • Allwyn Noronha, Kuala Lumpur

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    We have moved to KL in July I have been practising my faith daily in Dubai going to mass daily and now I cannot because in KL there is only one english mass that is on sunday and I need to go 25 KM to attend mass. I cannot go daily because i cannot understand malay or chinese. If I need to go to Church daily i have to go to new way of life church which is 500 meters from my home and is every day in english...

    Expain to me how is this helping me i am a manglorean and i love konkani mass as much as I love english mass. Though I was not giving konkani language studues thanks to my mother who took us to konkani mass every week in mumbai and we learnt the order of mass in konkai. I use konkani in english script to read and understand the litergy. What I understand is family must pray together at home and must encourage the Konkani language at home and not in church if it wasn't fo english i would be lost in this world when i live in different parts of the world.

    Please keep religion out of our petty thinking. try to encourage our faith stop our youth who are flocking in hundreds now to new life because they like their way of life identify why these youth are leaving us try and bridge the gap between our youth and catholic church if you are able to do that then konkani will follow. we are discussing issues which are less importnat when the very existance of catholic faith is threatened by the existance of groups like new life who take advantage of this religious dis-harmonly and steal our fathful form us.. think about what you are trying to to is it helping our church in any way are we building a better catholic church or are we dividing our selves.... british have long gone but their divide and rule policy has lived with us.. think like Christ what does Jesus want more of us or more of us speaking konkani....????

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  • Patricia, Mangalore/UAE

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Firstly, the Church Language is basically LATIN and Vatican II allowed people to celebrate only CERTAIN parts of the Liturgy in vernacular languages. So instead of taking English out, please try to make the Liturgy in Latin. You guys are dividing the people instead of uniting them, on the basis of language. Do you personally have a good relationship with Jesus? Did you pray and seek His advise on your so called KONKANI SAMAVESHA? It depends on how close a relationship you share with your Lord and not the language that matters.

    The team of this Konkan Prachar, I have seen myself personally that your children and relatives speak English at home and you are forcing others to speak Konkani. If you really want to preserve konkani then teach your children to speak konkani at home and also to dress modestly. I love to speak konkani and though we are in the gulf, we speak konkani ONLY at home as well as with other konkani friends. But as Jude and some others said, its not possible to get a job even in Mangalore with just Konkani. There are so many people who feel embarassed when they go out of Mangalore and they do not know what to answer during the Liturgy, just because they were not taught to take part in an English Liturgy. If you are going to make all masses in konkani in Mangalore then better raise your children in good faith and raise many children and make them priests and send to all parts of the world, so that they can celebrate konkani mass and noone will have a problem to attend Mass due to the language barrier. If you can do this, please go ahead wiht your Konkani prachar which doesnt make sense. You are in no way different than the different Sangh parivars that are causing commotion all over India and persecuting the Church.

    Kindly do something for the Church in Orissa, they are your brothers and sisters. God wil bless you for the good work. May the Lord enlighten your mind and hearts.

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  • Fr Roque D'Souza, St Jospeh's Seminary, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    I wish to point out a flaw in the above article. It is claimed that Vatican II Council decreed the Liturgy to be vernacular, [as if it is a must]. It is too much of a claim! The official language of the Church is still Latin and since Vatican Council, it is permitted to use Vernaculars, keeping in mind the benefit of the worshiping community.

    These days in the Church we see movements taking extreme positions. Those dissatisfied with Vernacular are nostalgic about Latin and they wish to reverse the process of Vatican Council, by banning all Vernacular including English. Also there are those who take up language/cultural issues and confuse it for Christian faith and Church matters. It is unfortunate that Konkani chaunists have taken up liturgy as a tool to show their zeal. I agree that Konkani has to be fully used in our Konkani-belt in all areas of life.

    But in these days of globalization and computer domination, nobody can resist English. Kindly do not mix up people's issue with matters like Liturgy which is the prerogative of the Church sphere. This is going to divide our Community than keep it united. Remember that we are a minority having access both to Konkani and English, with Christian roots of Goan/Portugese heritage. We make an unique group within the diversity of India. Kindly donot narrow it down only to Konkani. Please be tolerant of our community's diversity too.

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  • Agnello, Mangalore/Muscat

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Roy in his article is quite effective in bringing up many aspects of Konkani , culture and religion and though there few convincing arguments I beg to differ with him on most of his interpretations. I don’t believe Konkani or our culture or our community is dying or is being annihilated . Those are strong scare mongering words generally used by politicians to inflame hate and create discord. Evolving Konkani to globalize is the way ahead .

    If we enforce Konkani with shortsightedness in Mangalore , it will not be embraced by many and may sow the seeds of its demise and if religion is dragged in, the same may be the fate of the religion. I have seen Konkani being promoted in innovative ways in the past few years and it is greatly appreciated and should be kept up. We have to stop believing ‘English’ is western and learning English is enslavement. It has played a major part in India being where it is today. Manufacturing made China what it is today and English( to a great extent ) made India what it is today – Global leaders . Rather than being enslaved by English, I can say we have mastered the same , look at Arvind Adiga, Jhumpa Lahiri, Kiran Desai, Arundathi Roy… . they have been such huge ambassadors of our culture. If Arvind Adiga had written ‘Doho Waag’ in Konkani (or Safed Baagh in hindi)would he have been as effective ? I advocate strongly against the use of religion to promote language. Christainity belongs to all the faithful and not only to those who speak Konkani or English .If it justifies that there enough(for practical purpose) Kannada speaking Catholics or Malayalee Catholics we should have service for them too. Vatican II decreed that liturgy be in vernacular so that the population of faithful could understand the liturgy. If Mangalore diocese accepts the position of Konkani leadership it will be like VaticanII accepting Latin (or English ,considering the majority language).The other point is Konkani does not solely belong to Mangalorean Catholics, it is a language across cultures and religions.

    Development of Konkani should san religious barrier . In Muscat I am happy that I have a slot for Konkani in the service as I know my prayers only in Konkani and if they stopped the service because it should be only English using the logic of the Konkani leadership, I would stop going to the church altogether. That will be the consequence for the Mangalore diocese to weigh. Whether they want all ye faithful or only Konkani faithful. For that matter the language of Jesus was Aramaic and if he decreed only Aramaic was to be the language of Christians we wouldn’t be discussing this today.

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  • melroy, USA/Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Majority of the Mangloreans eat on the NRI remittances from Gulf & other parts of the world, barring the very few who earn their own living in India. And for those who work abroad, ENGLISH is the BREADWINNER language. People, stop hating ENGLISH in the name of showing your love to KONKANI. They are just languages used for communication & express our feelings. Be sensible and allow those who want to live like ENGLISHMEN to do so. Its their choice in this free country. In a running race, you can win by running fast or by pushing your opponent down. Similarly in such matters, you can learn to accept the co-existense of different languages or fuss about it or take away the so called PRIME SPOT.

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  • Cedric, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Dear Roy there is nothing as misunderstood concept. . The Konkani Activists want some mileage. Who are the Konkani Activists to say Ban the English Liturgy. Let there be Liturgy in Konkani as well as in English. Leave it to the people of Mangalore.

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  • jeevan crasta, mangalore

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    We should be praised by others but here we ourselves are glorifying our own self. alright why are they now trying to muddle in liturgy? Let them give peace and time to the Bishop to think over.As far as my knowledge goes there are around 30000 people who need to attend English mass are we asking them to join New life. I am also very sure that all these so called leaders.

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  • Sheetal , Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Dont be surprised if tomorrow the BJP Govt will orders to stop all the konkani masses and start in Kannada since it is a state language....

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  • Nicholas, Bangalore/Canada

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Jude, I just want to ask, if you donot speak ,read ur mothertongue & not proud of it,what identity will u pass over to ur kids? I have lived abroad for past 12 years & visited lot of countries , every place will consider you as indian(Mangalorean) & donot consider you a englishman even if you are oxford graduated.If you donot know your language & teach english to ur kids, what will be their identity. So first learn to be proud of your language & ur country. Abroad you attend english or local language mass it is upto you.Even you can see most of mangaloreans oversees including Dubai, USA, Canada have Konkani Catholic sangha & every year for Monti Feast mass is conducted in konkani.

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  • Ancy Paladka, Mumbai

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Go to English Medium Schools. Learn English. Master it. No probs. But speak our mother tongue Konkani at home and at our neighbourhood. Let us say our prayers at home in Konkani. Let us attend Konkani Mass. Let us take KOnkani as a third language in schools. Konkani is our identity. It is our Culture. We can identify our people through our language and our culture. Konkani is our binding factor.

    Hence let us give due respect to it. Even if we are not in Mangalore no one prevents us to speak in Konkani with our children. Children can master any number of languages. Knowing any language is an asset. There is no need for us Mangalorean Konkani Christians to stress for English Mass. Our children can master our language very fast. We only need to have a goodwill to teach them. Konkani Prachar Sanchalan is doing a wonderful Job. I fully support all their resolutions.

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  • Victor Castelino, Moodubelle/Dubai

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    I fully agree with you Jude. Let us not mix religion with language. I love Konkani and I have taught Konkani to my children. When I completed my high school studies, I could converse in five languages -Konkani, Tulu, Kannada, English and Hindi. Later on I added Latin to this list and then Tamil, Malayalam, Marathi and to some extent Telugu and Arabic. Learning a language is an asset and one should be free to use any one of them to pray to God.

    Our religion should not be used to propagate a language while our religious leaders should be free to work for any language they feel they can serve as individuals -whether it is Kannada, Tulu, Konkani or any other language. As for services in our churches, they have their parish councils representing the parishioners. They are the people who know what is best for them. No one should interfere in their internal affairs. "Konkni amchi bhas, konkan amso gaum, konkana sheranth ami konki zaun asaum". No one can destroy our culture which is unique to us.

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  • Edwin D'Souza Kamath, Angeloru

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Edward Roshan D’Souza is telling the readers in English that he doesn’t understand English. It is wrong. I think in Dubai there are masses in different languages like English, Konkani, Arabic, Philippians tagalu language, and may be others. Why these different languages? Because, languages do help the people to understand the celebrant in a better manner.

    There was a time we had masses in Latin and even the hymns in Latin in the olden days. And we were all ok with that. But slowly they realized local language is suitable. The church authorities need not worry about few people’s request. If possible please have the masses in different languages. There are many people in Mangalore with different other languages. For them English does help. Eating habits are different in the world. Cooking habits too. Mangalorean ‘Sorpothel’ is of unique quality around the world. Only Mangaloreans know how to prepare it. My Mangalorean guests from Australia speak in English. The children learn, speak and understand only in English.

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  • Agnello, Mangalore/Muscat

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Roy in his article is quite effective in bringing up many aspects of Konkani , culture and religion and though there few convincing arguments I beg to differ with him on most of his interpretations. I don’t believe Konkani or our culture or our community is dying or is being annihilated . Those are strong scare mongering words generally used by politicians to inflame hate and create discord. Evolving Konkani to globalize is the way ahead .If we enforce Konkani with shortsightedness in Mangalore , it will not be embraced by many and may sow the seeds of its demise and if religion is dragged in, the same may be the fate of the religion.

    I have seen Konkani being promoted in innovative ways in the past few years and it is greatly appreciated and should be kept up. We have to stop believing ‘English’ is western and learning English is enslavement. It has played a major part in India being where it is today. Manufacturing made China what it is today and English( to a great extent ) made India what it is today – Global leaders .

    Rather than being enslaved by English, I can say we have mastered the same , look at Arvind Adiga, Jhumpa Lahiri, Kiran Desai, Arundathi Roy… . they have been such huge ambassadors of our culture. If Arvind Adiga had written ‘Doho Waag’ in Konkani (or Safed Baagh in hindi)would he have been as effective ? I advocate strongly against the use of religion to promote language.

    Christainity belongs to all the faithful and not only to those who speak Konkani or English .If it justifies that there enough (for practical purpose) Kannada speaking Catholics or Malayalee Catholics we should have service for them too. Vatican II decreed that liturgy be in vernacular so that the population of faithful could understand the liturgy. If Mangalore diocese accepts the position of Konkani leadership it will be like VaticanII accepting Latin (or English ,considering the majority language).

    The other point is Konkani does not solely belong to Mangalorean Catholics, it is a language across cultures and religions. Development of Konkani should san religious barrier . In Muscat I am happy that I have a slot for Konkani in the service as I know my prayers only in Konkani and if they stopped the service because it should be only English using the logic of the Konkani leadership, I would stop going to the church altogether. That will be the consequence for the Mangalore diocese to weigh. Whether they want all ye faithful or only Konkani faithful.

    For that matter the language of Jesus was Aramaic and if he decreed only Aramaic was to be the language of Christians we wouldn’t be discussing this today. Lastly I am proud who I am today . My mother tongue is Konkani , my local language is Tulu, Kannada is the language I studied with, Hindi is my language of the country, Marathi I know because of the place which adopted me. English the language I think with in the country which speaks Arabic. I love this metropoli

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  • Kiran Dsouza, Mangalore

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    My mother tongue - yes its Konkani.Pride in Language- i do have it. sWABHIMAN???? I have it too. But I dont want anyone to suggest me which language I must speak, Which language I must converse with my God.I don't want any 'SODVONDAAR' FOR MY LANGUAGE. bECAUSE I did not learn Konkani at Church or school. All that I learnt at my child hood at home. Languages have evolved in the course of communication of human being in all known civilisations - which makes clear that language is meant for humans to communicate and humans not evolved for language. People speak many theories in Konkani........ Ancestors, PARAMPARA(HERITAGE), mIGRATION tHEORY OF kONKANI, 'ASMITAAY'(IDENTIY)ETC.,ETC., just speaking 'as you want' and 'whatever you want' will not hold authentic unless you make a scientific study by a qualified professional.

    Gathering some hearsays and crap talks will not be considered as sudy of langauge. For example - If anyone speaks 'The theory of ancestoral gifting of langauge must first know who are his ancestors - who is his father, grand gather, great grand father, so on as many as heads in geneology. If you dont have these names then How do you know which is your ancestoral language????? How do you speak about Parampara of your family????? If someone says "my mother taught me Konkani, therEfore, my ancestoral languAge is Konkani" will be baseless argument beacuse - what if a child was born to Gujarati parents and brought up by Konkani parents, naturally the child will learn Konkani( or Konkani Parents will teach Konkani to tht child) - what will be the mother tongue of that child and what will be the ancestoral language of that child? What is its 'ASMITAAY'????

    I know my paternal ancestors - atleast for past 7 heads prior to my father. And that is why I am not affraid that my langauge will die. I am sure and confident that my children in future will speak Konkani because it has been a tradition in our family that every child will learn the langauge that is spoken by elders. Therfore I do not egree with the philosophy of extinction of language if it is not used in church or in liturgy. I respect Mr.Roy Castelino a lot. But I am affraid all the contents in his clarification are not agreed because they are directive in nature and I am a citigen of World's Great Democracy.

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  • peter/pedruo pais, kodial/dubai

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    As a konkangar I always speak konkani whenever I meet a konkangar, as far as the holymass concern I attend mass which held in both langauges which ever convenient as per the timings In Goa they have mass in both languges and it is not a problem for them and it is almost a state language for them, So how come this Konkani Prachar sanchaln thinks konakani belongs to only mangalorian catholics.

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  • Sunitha Pinto, , Vamanjoor

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Study Englsh in school Pray in Konkani in the church My dear friends, I am ashamed at the mass infatuation for English amongst our people. Let our children study English in school, please allow them to use the mother tongue Konkani at home, Tulu, Knnada in the neighbourhood. Children have excellent capacity to learn the languages. More the languages they know better they are.

    Where you are intending to send your children-to Europe and Canada? It is good if they can go there, but you do not know what will be in future. Allow them to learn the local languages, especially the mother tongue. Those who study English only at school are also able to converse well in English, because their English is not spoiled at home. Look at the number of our priests, doctors, lawyers-they had studied in Kannada medium, but are good in English-much better than many of those who studied in English medium.

    It is my personal knowledge, many of those who come from abroad have bad English than those who study here. As a nurse in the out patient and the wards of Fr Mullers I have seen how the patients feel comfortable when the doctors can converse with their patients in their own dialect.

    I have personally seen Doctors like Dr. Edward Nazareth who can speak with the patients in their own langaue like English, Kannada, Tulu, Hindhi, Malayalam and ofcourse Konkani. I have also seen many of the catholic students who join here for studies are not able to talk to the patients because they only know English and no other languages. Even many of the Catholics NRI students of Mangalore origin can not speak Konkani, but the NRI students of Kerala background are better-they are able to speak in Malayalam.

    I personally feel, the parents especially who are in abroad should teach their children Konkani. Please pray in Konkani at home. Tell Rosary in Konkani. It is the best way. I appreciate the good work Mr. Roy Castelino and his friends are doing. They are selfless leadrers of our community. We have to support them, they have a vision for the betterment of our people. All the best to you Mr. Roy Castelino , Dr. Edward Nazareth and others. Whatever the people may say, you do the good work, continue it.

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  • Jude, Mangalore Dubai

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Faith is ones relationship with God and it is that individual's private business, whether he prays in english, konkani, kannada or any other language. I  worship to please God and in what language I decide to worship my God is my business and whether my prayers are genuine is for him to decide. He is the only judge.

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  • Andrew L D Cunha, Mangalore

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Very convincing article from Mr. Roy Castelino. "TO PRESERVE A COMMUNITY, ONE MUST PRESERVE ITS CULTURAL IDENTITY.When a language dies, a culture dies and when a culture dies, a community dies with it" I fully support Konkani Prachar Sanchalan on their mission of preserving konkanni community and culture. Yes, english mass is "necessity" for those living in Mangalore from other states. But alloting prime time for English mass is not at all logical. Let us start loving "our" konkani culture and language. It is very sweet. we can worship better "as one community" in Konkani.

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  • donfrank, Mangalore, UAE

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    I feel that an unnecessary debate has been fuelled by some individuals in order to confuse our community. There is nothing wrong in having both the languages, Konkani and English for celebratng the mass and holding the liturgy. Language should not divide our faith. We have to preserve Konkani but at the same time we should not discontinue English.

    However, religion has nothing to do with the languages. We can take example from Muslims and Hindus. Why should we create controversies! Let us be united. We have to face many serious problems like poverty, unemployment, communal disharmony etc, which need our attention. Unfortunately, we are wastng our time for some minor issues.

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  • Archie Pereira, Mangalore

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    From what I have seen, people who attend English masses do not go to worship God but to see who is more affluent.

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  • Rahul, Mangalore

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    When a language dies the culture dies and so does the identity of the society. Why do you think Israel was formed and Hebrew was once again made the official language of the Jews. The Jewish community survived because they spoke their mother tongue.

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  • Lawrence Norbert, Shirva/ Mangalore

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Please read the clarifications carefully and do not react just because you feel to react. Understand, these people are doing wonderful job of preserving our culture. They are dedicated lot. Hats off to you Mr. Roy and company. Problem is the menace of English has grown beyond contoll.Let the English mass at prime time be shifted to non-prime time.

    Those who attend the English mass for whatever reason let them go...let this be the give and take policy. Yes, no need to start English mass at places where it is not there. Those who go to New Life they go even otherwise. Many of the Catholics have joined New Life even when the English Mass is there..They join not because of the mass..

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  • Jude, Mangalore Dubai

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    The konkani promoters can promte konkani as much as they want, nobody is saying no. Please do not stop me from attending english mass, because i prefer my worship in english. As i have said earlier the english mass at Urwa church was scheduled at the non prime time (9:45AM), but today since a lot of people from our parish as well as many other parishes around attend this mass and the church is full, you activists are shouting hoarse saying that this is prime time. It is you people who are selfish.

    I have lived out of Mangalore in many places around the world and than god for english i am able to attend mass and worship, because i cannot ask a priest in Africa (where i have lived in the past)to celebrate mass for me in konkani, nor did the priest or that parish stop celebrating mass in english when he too could have had mass in their local languages only. Faith has got nothing to do with culture and language, so don't use the platform of the church to promote fundamentalist and fanatical ideas. The church is not the place for that.

    English masses are held in Kerala as well, so don't let your passion for konkani distort facts. And don't keep using terms like neo rich, and those working abroad etc to describe people. All of us are earning our bread the hard way, and we have not stolen anything from you. I cannot expect to get a job by circulating my CV is konkani even in Mangalore, it is the english language that has helped me achieve whatever i have today. It is in the english language that i can explain my roots and my culture to people from outside. You call us selfish,we are not. It is you people who are jealous of others successes and are trying to impose your views upon others. For heavens sake just live and let live.

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  • Peter, Bangalore

    Mon, Dec 22 2008

    Do not  think like a  frog in the pond. Malayalis also have english masses in kerala and prayer services !

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  • D. Pinto, Mangalore

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    "existing English masses to be shifted to non-prime time and gradually discontinued." Dear Roy, tell me just one answer, what will happen to non-Mangalorean Catholics settled in Mangalore. Where will they go, to join 'New Life'?

    The above sentence "existing English masses to be shifted to non-prime time" is ok, but "and gradually discontinued" clearly confuses the Non-Mangalorean Catholics. If your like-minded people come up with same slogan in Maharashtra, Middle Eastern Countries, then in Mumbai, there will be only Marati Mass and in Middle East, just Arabic Mass. Please think of better way to promote Konkani and as one of the reader rightly opined "the strength of the Church is not the language it uses, but the faith it professes".

    It is indeed sad that our Bishop is forced in this controversy. Hope the Holy Spirit will guide him to tackle this situation in a proper way.

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  • ronald, barkur

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Critique on the following:“When a language dies, a culture dies, When a culture dies a community dies with it” 

    This may sound philosophic but it is not logical as follows:

    (a)It presumes that only the Mangalorean Catholic community has hegemony over Konkani as their language (or mother tongue). Besides the said community, Konkani is spoken by non-Mangalorean Catholics living outside our diocese. Further, the Konkani language is the mother tongue for a number of Hindus and Muslims as well. So, if we are somehow divided among ourselves, that will not signal the death of the Konkani language as a whole.

    (b) The culture and community of the Hindu Konkani brethren from others on the west coast for instance, the Kharvis, the Kudubis, the Rajapuris, Sawantvadis, Malvanis, Goans, and others in coastal Karnataka, and Kerala (to a lesser extent) and the Navaithis plus other Muslim users of the various dialects of Konkani will continue. Ironically, none of them use the language in their places of worship but it must be emphasized their cultures and communities have been alive and well till now, and will do so even if we are divided among ourselves because of “much ado about nothing”.

    CONCLUSION 1: The fear of extinction of the Konkani language on account of a linguistic squabble among the Mangalorean Catholic Community is a fictitious scenario and could only be considered arrogantly presumptuous. The second presumption in the above statement is that the survival of a community (religious) depends on the survival of their culture. I humbly disagree. My ancestors came from Aldona in Bardez, Goa. When they were in Goa they leaned more on the Portuguese and the language was similarly influenced. As we moved south to Karnataka the same Christian Community has diversified according to the history of their migration within the State. Thus, you have people who are more influenced by Muslim, Hindu and Jain cultures, depending on which Kingdoms have historically shaped the culture of the place of their residence. So a religious Community does not depend on culture for their survival.

    CONCLUSION 2: A religious community’s survival does not depend on the survival of its culture. 

    CONCLUSION 3  or HYPOTHESIS: A religious community’s survival does not depend on the language they adopt. An excellenmt case in favour of my hypothesis (or antithesis)is the saga and the survival through millennia (and up the present day) of the Jewish Community after its dispersion throughout the nations (languages/cultures)of the world ( Diaspora). I rest my case.

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  • Philomena B., Mangalore

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    I have two things to add for the entire discussion:

    1. Majority of our people who are abroad, neo-rich city based only think of their perspective, the problems of themselves and their kids when they come to Mangalore etc. It is not the city based Mangloreans alone who are abroad..there are many from outside parishes like Bantwal, Kinnigoli, Pangala etc. There are no English mass in the parishes out of Mangalore city. Why the city based Mangloreans are so selfish and worry of their personal benefits only? I amaze the love the Malayalees have for their mother tongue. Why Malayalees do not think like neo-rich Mangloreans? The people from Kerala have reached far and wide..anywhere you go they are there. They speak Malayalam, pray in Malayalm. Why can’t you, dear Mangloreans be like them?

    2. The Konkani activists are doing a wonderful job by creating awareness amongst the people. The local Mangloreans really want the Konkani mass at prime time. Let the English mass be at non-prime time. Whoever wants let them go to that. This is what the Sanchalan is asking for. Do not comment blindly

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  • Tony Miranda, Mangalore/US

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Once again my dear Mangalorean Catholics, please let the comments left by the people in the previous article tell the activists that they should not intefere with languages in church. Not everybody is going to like this. So please give up this silly idea of getting rid of English mass just because these activits want to force their views on other people. Let people who want English mass to be removed think twice. I see that a lot of them live in the Middle East. If Arabic was introduced all hell will break loose. People compare Mangaloreans to Malyalees, but they forget that these Malyalees ar now coming to Mangalore for education and other businesses.

    So how do you want to cater to their spritual needs if everything is in Konkani? Please Konkani activists be mindful of others and do not be selfish. You are stirring up a sleeping dragon and along with it a lot of unecessary ill will towards you. I hope the bishop uses his good sense of judgement and asks the Holy spirit to help him see that what these people are asking is not practical and gives them a tongue lashing for trying to start something like this.

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  • annu bantwal, abudhabi

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    i really appreciate good work of konkani prachar sanchalan.Great Job. Hats off to Konkani Prachar Sanchalan. You guys done lots of good work for Konkani language and peopel. Pls do not give up. Go Ahead. God Bless you. when i came abudhabi for the first time i was looking for a konkani mass and i just thank God we have that one at least once in a month,and every Friday praise and worship in konkani at 8:00 after the holy mass and all the ministries all taking part at their best and again we have every Tuesday intersession prayer and that is also in konkani these all things are in action since 8 years .the most special thing is that all those people attend this meetings and leaders of the prayer are very fluent in English,still they are doing this for our konkani language and i wish them all success those who are working for that "konkananthlya konknyank ani konkni mogink annu bantwalacho maan"

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  • Eddie Cutinho, Mangalore

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Personally I do not understand why these arguements and counter arguements about a language whether its Konkani or any other. Lets be real. All languages which developed all over different regions a Country or the World were just communication tools just like we have transportation tools.

    All languages will only last till they are actuall useful to people who communicate in them. If all origianl languages were preserved from ancient times, we probably would have conversed in Sanskrit in India or some other tribal langauge.

    I believe more than 70% of Konkani language is made up words, phrases and pronounciations from many different languages. A language can only survive on its own strength and no amount of oxygen given by activists or (THE KONKANI MOGIS)can extend its life if it has to breathe its last. And that goes for all tools humans have developed over millions of years - whether it is religion, language, transportation, medicine or any other new development in science.

    It is the law of nature that old will die and new will take its place. In a lighter vein, I wonder whether God had foreseen all these human developments when He created this world and the human beings in it of His own image. If He had, may be on second thoughts he would have also taken 2 days weekly break and taken rest like all Corporates do now instead of working on the 6th day and creating humans.

    Lets all try to be good humans, good friends, good helpers and try to learn all possible languages to help one another(even animal languages if possible.)

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  • jerry willie, mangalore

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    As for me, I love konkani - though I fail to speak 'aput' konkani because of various circumstances. Nevertheless - KONKANI is my most favourite language. Let us strive to build-up love for konkani among the konkani people and also try to popularise it among non-konkani people. Let the love of konkani be burning in the hearts of all konkani people.

    However, in the church - let us not make the language the centre-point or the unifying factor. Because the strength of the Church is not the language it uses but the faith it professes. Let us be united in FAITH, irrespective of the language. (As for me - I do make it a point to attend to a konkani mass service and offer my mass in konkani - unless it is unavoidable due to reasons beyond my control - which of course has been once in a few years - so far.)

    Now the church among the Konkani people can surely help the growth of konkani as it has done all along. But let us not force the church to promote a language rather than faith.

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  • Antony T. D' Souza, Karkala/Qatar

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    I personally congratulate, Konkani Prachar Sanchalan for their commitment, dedication and succeeding to achieve a very good result in the Karnataka or worldwide for the Konkani language in a very short time. 

    Although I accept all clarifications given by Konkani Prachar Sanchalan, yet its tone is very aggressive and dictating which will do more harm than good to bring the unity among the Konkani Christav. It is impossible to bring sudden death knell to English Liturgy either by Bishop or by Konkani Prachar Sanchalan in the near future. Therefore, instead vomiting venom in the media, it is wise to sit both Konkani Liturgy and English Liturgy representatives with the Bishop for a peaceful and amicable solution which every Mangalorian is carving for.

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  • Wenrene Pais., Mangalore.

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Clarification on the subject is not properly balanced and justified.The Bishops are the successors of 12 apostles(Acts:1:15-26) & they continue the work for which our Lord came to earth. The Gowda Saraswats also speak konkani and their 'Sothras,Mantras' are in Sanscrit and they dont want it in Konkani.Our Bible is translated in konkani to make it easy so that it is read and followed by all who like to read it in Konkani. I dont think the leaders of Gowda Saraswats fight for konkani prayers in their 'Pujas' like our Konkani activits do. So stop the arguments reg. the literature in Mass and channelise your energy to promote Konkani by increasing the musical show, dramas,competitions, etc..

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  • Lawrence Saldanha, Kanajar/Kuwait

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Dear friends, Linking the survival of the community to the survival of Konkani Language is unsubstantiable. Even if Konkani activists succeed in forcing the Bishop to phase out English from the Liturgy, it will have a greater detrimental effect on the integrity of the already disintegrting church. Historically, religious and linguistic fundamentalists have caused disintegration rather than integration and therefore in the interest of safeguarding the integrity of the church, it is important for moderates to oppose such attempts in one voice.

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  • Rudolph, Mangalore/Dubai

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Eat to live or live to eat? Konkani for living or living for konkani? Please specify the prime time. Then let it not happen whenever people flock to rescheduled english masses then the prime time concept itself will change.Let us be konkani lovers but not konkani fanatics.

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  • Fredrick Correa, Nairobi, Kenya

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Mr.Oliver Mascarenhas comments on the subject are well balanced. I do love my mother tongue, Konkani but just because I love it, I can not use it in a foreign land. Yes, in Mangalore Diocese, the prime time for Mass should of course be Konkani but we should not deny the other people especially the tourists and others who have come as visitors, the Mass in English. There are certain vovyos (sung during weddings) which are unique in Konkani and can never be translated and sung in English. There are some words like Irvol, sannah, vorn (payasam), rokthi etc. which are typical of Mangalorean Konkani language which bring in some kind of euporia in us. So lets be proud of Konkani but let us also be realistic in using English. God Bless Managalore, God Bless India!

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  • Jude, Mangalore Dubai

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    This argument and explanation simply does not hold. The diocese of Mangalore is not the guardian of the konkani language. The responsibility of the diocese is to preserve and spread faith not the language. Konkani is spoken by people from many communities and religions all over the konkan coast. These leaders should involve people from all other communities who speak the konkani language and come out with a plan to enhance and preserve the konkani language and culture. They do not have any business to attack people who attend english mass and call for a ban. As i said my faith and the language in which i pray is entirely my business. By calling for a ban we are only following in the footsteps of divisive people like Raj Thackray. Mangalore is a cosmopolitan city and people from all over the country and other parts of the world now live here, and for all these people english is the only unifying language.

    There are many catholics amongst them who would like to come to church and worship. Do these leaders want these people to stay away from the chruch and abandon their faith just because of their sudden zeal for the konkani language.

    Secondly i can speak as a urwa parishoner. The english mass at our church is celebrated at 9:30AM each Sunday. The prime time mass is at 7:00AM and this has been so way back from the 1950's, and before the english mass was introduced. Today just because a lot of people attend the 9:30AM english mass, our over leaders feel that this is prime time. Konkani leaders we are with you in your efforts to promote konkani, but please keep it away from faith, or else in your over zealousness, you will destroy both our faith and our language.

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  • Melwyn, Pernal

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Konkni Prachar Sanchalan at its top. Hats off to their efforts.. But, I feel that "love for konkany" should be developed in the heart of the people with love, not by-force. Let us see, how much this 'andolan' affect on the individual parish committee decisions regarding the konkany mass?

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  • Oliver Mascarenhas, Mangalore / Dubai

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Dear brother, I do respect and support the need to uphold and encourage the nurturing of the Konkani language. However, the tone of your clarification is not balanced. I have learnt that to build your home, you do not destroy your neighbours home. You work hard to design your home which is unique. From your comments, I see a lot of stress on the instructions to eliminate the "other" language from our community. This may be a good short-term solution but will not be a wise one in the long run.

    I recommend a balanced solution. Introduce a konkani language learning programme at various levels of expertise at different areas of our social lives and activities. Lets help our young children to love the language and speak it, not to speak it out of fear and compulsion. Konkani is a very beautiful and sweet tounge and lets keep it that way. By speaking negative about the "english" tounge, we do not bring honour to our mother-tounge. Every language and culture is good and needs to be respected. English language helped in the independence of India. Because of the English language knowledge many of our community brothers and sisters have earned their daily bread and indirectly helped our region. So lets avoid critizising ENGLISH. It will only make us BITTER not BETTER.

    On the other hand, lets not be lethargic and move where the wind blows allowing commercialisation to overtake us. We need to be innovative, creative and generously contribute to the growth of our MAI-BHAS. Learning starts at home. As parents lets make an effort to use konkani with our kids at prayers, at songs, with books, Bibles, and many more. So as your own brother from the same soil, lets talk about the steps to make KONKANI shine in brilliance. And it will I am 100% sure, a Diamond in the ROCKS whether polished or not is still a DIAMOND. We now just need to polish it.

     Konkani language has given me wisdom and character and I am grateful to all of the konkani community. Come on brothers and sisters, lets look at the bright side and take this opportunity from "Konkani Prachar Sanchalan" who are working hard for all of us and support them constructively to deepen our roots and radiate our love through our mother-tounge "KONKANI".

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  • Rony Arun, Mangalore

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Well done go on .Let none and nothing divide us. Don't heed to anybody those who don't have foresight and 'SWABHIMAN'

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  • alan, mangalore

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    This clarification sets right the confusion on the issue. To add a few more points on the issue, Konkani is known as a sister language of Bengali and Marathi. While Bengali and Marathi are state languages, only Goa has been able to hold on to its own till now.

    During my last visit to Goa, with the influx of outsiders, the bus conductors was speaking in Hindi in local buses and Goans were replying in Hindi. This clearly shows with the influx of people and influence from outside we are getting swayed and cannot hold on to our own language. If this is the case in today …… think of Konkani in a decade from now. IF THIS IN GOA – A STATE SPEAKING KONKANI – what about us in MANGALORE. Fr. Philip Nazareth in the early 1970’s wanted to promote Konkani and started typing school for learning in devanagiri script. There was so much of discussion on pros/cons leading to no decision. It took 30 years and one organization’s efforts to promote Konkani in local languages.

    A right decision after so many years. And for that we needed Konkani activists to decide on the issue. The richness of Konkani will remain only if promoted/supported in our day to to day acitivities. Let us start doing something positive right now to preserve our unique language, culture, way of life, before it is too late and then start pointing fingers for non-action. Mangaloreans are known for enterprise, resourcefulness and being industrious. Let us start things in the right spirit.

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  • Norbert Baretto, , Bangalore

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Konkani Prachar Sanchalan has made their point very clear. We have to understand their motto and support them. Mr. Roy Castelino, Mr. Louis J. Pinto, Dr. Edward Nazareth are the dedicated, responsible leaders of our Mangalorean community who are seen in every field and have done lot of good work. Mr. Eric Ozario, a true Konkani crusader has done maximum to Konkani, which no one has done so far. These leaders will never indulge in agitation as feared by many.

     I know these people and I am sure what they are doing is with a clear purpose and vision. Let us be sensible in understanding the issue.

    1. In Karnataka Konkani language flourished because of the support of the church in Mangalore diocese. In the recent years English masses is being introduced in many of the parishes at the prime time giving a simple reason that the people do not know Konkani. It is not the fact. Most of the people who attend these mass are forced to attend because the English Holy mass is in the prime time. The people concerned have to realise that the English mass at prime time is not needed and it has to be shifted to non-prime time, may be after 10.00 am or in the evening. Those who really do not know Konkani can attend these mass. The prachar sanchalan, as understood by me is not forcing anyone to ban the English mass, but to give Konkani our mother tongue, the prime time.

    2. I studied in English medium, at home my parents were using Konkani and even now my children study in English medium but at home we use only Konkani and my children are comfortable to pray in Konkani. In Karnataka Kannada is taught as the second language and if little interest is taken in Kannada language, the children can read Konkani in Kannada script. You can see plenty of them, the one who study in English medium schools do the Sunday readings in Konkani. The fact is not the comfort it is the love to the mother tongue.

    3. I do not understand why only some of the people of Mangalore origin hate their mother tongue when they go abroad, work in Gulf for few years. But not all. I have seen many of the people who stay abroad speak Konkani at home and their children are much better in Konkani than many of the localites. I have seen our people in US, UK and Canada speaking Konkani at home... But this zeal and love for mother tongue is not found in every one...we are not like Malayalees. We have more affection to English than to our own language. Look at the people from Kerala..they also work abroad..their children also study in gulf countries..but I am sure there are no English mass in any of the churches in Kerala..Are they not doing well? Their children go all over the world, but they speak Malayalam at home..and when they are in Kerala they feel at home..we have to develop that type of affection towards our mother tongue.. Whether you are in abroad or in moon, if you love your mother, then you love your mother tongue.

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  • Cyril D'Cunha, Mangalore/UAE

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Religion & Language are two different things. Religion practiced by a religious community and a language spoken by a multicultural community. Konkani is not only spoken by a mangalorean catholics but also variety of others. Ofcourse it is an advantage for majority of mangalorean catholics. "One can not compramise faith or devotion for the sake of majority". In my opinion we should ask more & more liturgical functions and programmes in konkani and should consider our neighbour without putting fingers in his eyes. Can we introduce konkani medium in schools by replacing other mediums. We can introduce, promote konkani as a global or cultural language not as a religious language.

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  • Felix F., India/ME

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    After about 200 comments were voiced regarding the about subject, I dont understand why this language issue is being politised to make divisions among the Mangalore christian community. When the time comes for change no power in the world can stop it. Now the time for change has come, and just as the KSRTC will be taking over the local transport in Mangalore, English has come to stay and expand in Mangalore. I am sure English speaking Mangaloreans will not come in the way of Konkani activists who are bent upon forcing the Konkani language on Mangaloreans in the name of preserving culture and self pride. Because the end result will be "like taking the horse to be water but never making it drink." Anyway, good luck to you Konkani activists

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  • Edward Roshan Dsouza, Mangalore/Qatar

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    We attend the masses in Mangalore in konkani language before coming to gulf and when we reach here we have very limited/rare konkani masses. As my personal expirience i never attended any English mass during my childhood in Mangalore and when i attend the mass in english, I dont know how to response in English during the mass. whom should I blame??? when we are in Mangalore we become the frogs in the well. when we go out to earn our daily bread, and when the above situation arises, we feel very ashamed and feel like we are not catholics. Finally it is in the hands of Bishop of our Diocese, and if they will give the green signal to this move, we will respect it. But it is my personal and kind request to all the Konkani community in Gulf that not to give any support to this Konkani movement. Mangalore Lamb jiyon Amchi Mai Bhas Konkani

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  • Lancy Pinto Nayak, Kulshekar , Kuwait

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    "..WE HAVE MET THE LORD BISHOP ON FRIDAY, DEC 19, 2008, AND HAVE PRESENTED TO HIM THE RESOLUTIONS OF THE ‘SAMAVESH’." Congratulations , Great Job. Hats off to Konkani Prachar Sanchalan. You guys done lots of good work for Konkani language and peopel. Pls do not give up. Go Ahead. God Bless you. We are with you. Konkani Kullvar & Rang Manchi team. Kuwait

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  • Lancelot N. Tauro, Manglore - Doha qatar

    Sun, Dec 21 2008

    Nothing wrong if you worship, Pray and Thank God in any langauges. No SIN at all, Its a communication direct with GOD. Engish has been used widely all over the World. It shouldnot considered as barriers. Wish eveyone in Merry Christmas and Happy new Year.

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