Seer-Cardinal Pact: No Forced Conversions, No Violence against Minorities


Ashley D’Mello/TNN
 
Mumbai, Jun 13:
"No violence against minorities. No forced conversions. A pooling of resources for social work and charity.'' These were three main points agreed on at a path-breaking Hindu-Catholic dialogue between religious leaders from both creeds held in Mumbai on Friday.

Those involved in the landmark two-hour inter-faith conversation that took place behind closed doors at the Shanmukhananda premises near Sion included the Sankaracharya of Kanchi, Sri Jayendra Saraswati and Catholic leaders led by the Vatican's head for inter-religious dialogue, Cardinal Jean Louis Tauran, and Cardinal Oswald Gracias from Mumbai.

The three meeting points came after intense discussions on minority relations in the country which were once harmonious but have been under strain and even marred by serious violence (Khandmal in Orissa and church attacks in Mangalore) in the last decade. The post-1998 deterioration had troubled many liberal-minded citizens from both faiths and this dialogue was an attempt to break down suspicions and mistrust on either side.

The meeting took place at the instance of the Pontifical Council for Inter Religious Dialogue headed by Cardinal Tauran who said it was a good beginning.

Each side had one main concern: for the Catholics it was violent attacks against Christians, the clergy and their places of worship and on the Hindu side it was the issue of forced conversions. Speaking at a joint press conference soon after the talks, Jayendra Saraswati said they had agreed that no violence should take place against minorities as India was a deeply spiritual country. He added that instead of being called `secular', India should be called `spiritual'.

Cardinal Oswald Gracias, who addressed the press with Jayendra Saraswati, came out strongly against forced conversions and said it went against the teaching of the Church.

While the broad brush strokes were all about bonhomie and building bridges, the fine print subtly but firmly established orthodox boundaries. The Kanchi Sankaracharya's press statement that was issued later contained eleven points, most of which were critical of conversion. He made a reference to the Pope's recent visit to Israel and his assurance that "the Catholic Church would desist from all missionary and conversion activities among the Jews''. The Sankaracharya also made it clear that he did not approve of conversions and foreign funds for running educational and charity projects.

At the press conference, he came out strongly against the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, which was sending a team to India.

Speaking about the dialogue meeting, Bishop Thomas Dabre of Pune said that Cardinal Tauran had spelt out the agenda at the outset. How do we stop the spate of violence across the country and work more for understanding and development and deepen an inter-faith dialogue? Sudheendra Kulkarni, a senior BJP member who was present, said these are "beginnings which will pave the way for greater understanding''.

  

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  • Shymal, Mangalore

    Wed, Jun 17 2009

    Joseph - I think you should avoid debates such as this. You do not have an validity in your claims. First you state that "christianity was spread thorugh love and inducements" - You were sold out with this statement alone. About christianity not being 80% - How did India become 20% christian in the first place. Indian / pakistan / bangaladesh do not try to connect nations to your religion, they two are different. I am sure it is difficult for you to understand. Charles has a point about god. I am sure when Santa visits you house, you will complain or better yet when you praise the lord (LOL) you may snitch on us. M Bhat aptly said that you are the reason for making tolerant people intolerant !!!

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  • Charles D''Mello, Pangala

    Wed, Jun 17 2009

    "Survival of the fittest" this is the only theory which is going to be proved. If God is one, why we have so many religions ????

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur/Mangalore

    Wed, Jun 17 2009

    Dear M. Bhat Your comments shows your religion is superior than other religions. I have no objection that you and the Hindus follow your religion. The facts arose due to Hindu fundamentals arrogant nature that who ever live in India should follow Hinduism and this was exhibited by you and the RSS, BJDL Rama Sena and other recently sprouted fundamental/terrorist organizations.

    Christianity was spread through love and inducements which was true in the olden days and in the PRESENT DAYS IF YOU AND THE FUNDAMENTALS ARE TELLING THAT CHRISTIANITY IS INVOLVED IN FORCIBLE CONVERSIONS WHICH ARE UTTER FALSE AND DECEIVERS PROPAGANDA. If Christianity were involved in forcible conversions there should have been 80 percent Christians in India.

    You have not answered my questions in your comments. I quote your words once again “Archbishop Desmond Tutu said "When missionaries came to Africa, we had the land and they had the Bible. They taught us to pray, so we closed our eyes to pray. When we opened our eyes, we had the Bible in our hand and they had the land" HOW INDIA LOST PAKISTAN AND EAST BENGAL? IS IT BECAUSE OF THE HOLY BIBLE OR THE REVOLT WITHIN? Secondly, I quote your words “Can you please Identify The garden of Eden in universe. Can you locate the Heaven? Have you seen God pants down to say that it is he and not she or it? Unquote.

    Have you seen the wind? What is the image, colour and the size of the wind? Can you explain me? You can recognize the wind when it blows only and where it blows and can you measure the volume of the wind in the atmosphere. God is invisible. He has no image nor a material or a statue. God is neither he or she God is spirit, those who worship Him must worship Him in truth and sprit. CAN YOU EXPLAIN ME WHAT IS GOD PANTS DOWN? Are you an incarnated man? If so what were you before a cow or a crow? I quote your words “. Karma is a sanskrit word meaning work or action. If you do good actions you will get good results.” Unquote. If the fundamentals know the karma very well, the fundamental Hindus would not have attacked the Churches and Christians in Mangalore and Orissa. You say about Jihad What about the Dharma Youdh? Explain Mr. Bhat.

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  • M.Bhat, Mumbai

    Tue, Jun 16 2009

    Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur/Mangalore Why should your story of Abraham be true? Why not believe Brahma of Indian Mythology or Zeus of Greek or stories of Incas, or African people. The plain fact is all people are brainwashed from their birth by their parents and co religionists that their mythology is true and others are false. It is this hardened mind which prevents one developing a live and let live attitude. Every one must believe my god entire world must follow my religion convert by force or inducement has been the attitude of the desert religions. That is the root cause of all the strife. Christians and muslims at war since 7th century will continue to destroy the world for the supremacy of their religion. In the process they are making tolerant religions also intolerent. Christianity is no better than islam. After all, both have similar goals- to dominate the world by destroying other religions and cultures. Only their approach is different. One uses terror and violence, other shamelessly uses money and clever brainwashing. Missionaries are present all over the world posing as tourists and charity workers or even educationalists. Not only this, every single converted christian acts as a missionary too. Thats what they have been instructed to do on conversion. Donot be under the illusion that you know everything others none. · Christianity has an equally bloody history as islam,until science,spread of knowledge gradually stemmed the rot. Christianity was as racist as islam. If islam aims at arb domination world over,christiainity aims at European/white domination everywhere. Both are gulty of genocides,destruction of indegenous cultures and bigotry. If it were not for the advancement of cience,technology, knowledge,you can hardly differentiate between the two. Christianity used to torture,burn ,murder ''heretics'',like islam is doing today. Both are by nature intolerant and the biggest curse on humanity!

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur/Mangalore

    Tue, Jun 16 2009

    Dear Shymal, mangalore, A country/Nation has a set of rules. Our country has a constitution for the benefit of its citizens. If the law is in the hands of citizens country and the rulers are impotents and unnecessary. Do we need outlaws? Do you say new life, Catholics, Protestants and all other denominations are outlaws? Missionaries are doing good Job in India and you are jealous of missionaries.

    They are propagating Christian faith which is a constitution guaranteed right. I quote your words “Faith or acceptance has never been a right. It is more a coincidence such as being born.” Unquote Accepting a faith or not accepting a faith is a human right. A person needs to know well about his/her religion well only which he or she can accept the required religion for his benefit.

    Even after your and the fundamental Hindus propaganda of conversions Christian population has been declined. If your and fundamentals propaganda of conversions, by now whole of India might have been Christian population. Is it not? For such a small population your voice is like Christians in India are of 80% What a shame on your comments.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur/Mangalore

    Tue, Jun 16 2009

    Dear M. Bhat, I quote your words “Archbishop Desmond Tutu said "When missionaries came to Africa, we had the land and they had the Bible. They taught us to pray, so we closed our eyes to pray. When we opened our eyes, we had the Bible in our hand and they had the land" How India lost Pakistan and East Bengal? Is it because of the Holy Bible or the revolt within? There are many quotations we can quote but the truth is truth.

    Secondly, I quote your words “Can you please Identify The garden of Eden in universe. Can you locate the Heaven? Have you seen God pants down to say that it is he and not she or it? Unquote. Have you seen the wind? What is the image, colour and the size of the wind? Can you explain me? You can recognize the wind when it blows only and where it blows and can you measure the volume of the wind in the atmosphere. God is invisible. He has no image nor a material or a statue. God is neither he or she God is spirit, those who worship must worship Him in truth and sprit. Can your explain me what is God pants down? Are you an incarnated man? If so what were you before a cow or a crow? I quote your words “. Karma is a sanskrit word meaning work or action. If you do good actions you will get good results.” Unquote. If the fundamentals are knowing the karma very well the fundamental Hindus would not have attacked the churches and Christians in Mangalore and Orissa.

    You say about Jihad What about the Dharma Youdh? All the commentators have the right to criticize. I never said you are always wrong when you comment on your own illusions/agendas I have to correct/comment the wrongs written.

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  • Justin, Mangalore

    Tue, Jun 16 2009

    Dear Mrf. Rajaram Chennai, USA, You might have heard Al Jazeera news if not find out with Al Jazeera news and ask them how many Kuwaitis became Christians. The news was aired by al Jazeera of Qatar. Also check in Indonesia and Malaysia. There was a wide spread news in Iran that if Iran was given religious freedom half of the Iranians would become Christians. I quote your words “Abrahmic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) came from the same region and absolutely hate each other.” Unquote “Are not Dalits Hindus and Does not Brahmins hate the lower caste and kill if they worship in temples. Are there any Dalit Priests serving in temples?

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  • Ava, Bangalore

    Tue, Jun 16 2009

    Even after all the convertions the percentage of christians in india has not risen, Then why all the big hangama. Dony christians too pay taxes to the govt that goes into uplifting mainly hindus, so if there are more christians monetary wise the hindus will benefit maybe some muslims too but definitely not the christians.

    The percentage of christians and sikhs are almost the same but upto now not a single christian was ever given any important position in the govt of india. When colonial India was being divided we christians never asked for a seperate land And remember it was the british (christians) who created modern india and saved the hindus from opression.

    Imagine the situation if christians did not come to India. Frankly as a christian I feel that conversions is a needless waste of christian charity instead it should be made to serve the christian community better. like eg they can multiply by breeding instead of conversions and leave the task of taking care of the lowcastes, untouchables, tribals or what ever insulting tag you have for them to those who think otherwise

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  • Rajaraman, Chennai, USA

    Tue, Jun 16 2009

    I do condemn any attacks on minorities. It''s wrong to engange in violence. Shame on SRS for attaching churches. Having said that I am also aware of what christian missionaries are doing in the name of helping poor. India is very tolerant and these missionaries are misusing it. Can they try the same thing in Pakistan or Iran or Gulf countries? Absolutely not!! Abrahmic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) came from the same region and absolutely hate eachother.

    Clearly, the leadership at the top seem to have some issues in having a broad mindset. We need more of true souls such as Mother Theresa or hundreds of others who help poor without any return in mind. Peace.

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  • D.M.D''Souza, Bantwal

    Tue, Jun 16 2009

    M. Bhat, If missioneries hadn''t come to India 2000 year back, u still could have enjoyed absolute power over illiterate people u have suppressed all these centuries, now that they have got education, You are bitter about missioneries, because you  no longer can fool them like you used to do.

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  • Shymal, mangalore

    Mon, Jun 15 2009

    Eulalia D''''Souza - You have a good point. However, It is amazing that you state that "if Catholics are believed to have done forceful conversion" - please ... It is easy for you to say that forced conversion done in the past can be ignored. So do you suggest that doing something wrong now and wait for time to ignore it. Secularism provides for practice of a religion, but propagation is not in it''s tenets. The loop hole is the "free will to choose the religion", this is exploited by the missionaries / ministries that are cropping up. Vinod Shet, you need to go after ISHKON and do not club it with Hindu Indians. This is similar to clubbing "New Life" with Roman Catholisism. Joseph Gonsalves, As a lot of people have mentioned. Hindu fundamentalist, BD , RSS etc. do not represent the Indian Hindu. So your analogy does not hold ground. What I am talking about is the Church, which is common to all of the converted Christians. I am not taking or pointing fingers at a christian club or a 1000 men christian army ( if at all there were one ). Faith or acceptance has never been a right. It is more a coincidence such as being born. You and me had no choice, it was our parents choice. I am not talking about that, I am stating about proselytizing, brain washing, coercing to convert, just so that the chance of getting the generations after that to continue with the Faith, a pyramid scheme is more like it. Remember Amway got it''s inspiration from this.

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  • Hari, Bangalore

    Mon, Jun 15 2009

    Mr. Pual''s words "What can one Shankaracharya (there are four) who comes out of the Inter-Religious dialogue and calls for the boycott of the U.S. body visiting India to enquire into the religious intolerance and ruthless anti-Christian persecutions on the hapless tribal Christians of Orissa and else where do to ensure there is no more antichristian violence? Whom are these gentlemen trying to impress?" Let me ask you one thing who is this US, who appointed them as god father of charistanity, why they should worry about violence of indian christans alone. Is there any vested interest? Is US is a christian nation?

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  • M Bhat, Mumbai

    Mon, Jun 15 2009

    Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Mangalore Archbishop Desmond Tutu said "When missionaries came to Africa, we had the land and they had the Bible. They taught us to pray, so we closed our eyes to pray. When we opened our eyes, we had the Bible in our hand and they had the land". First stop your church mates from doing word-of-mouth propoganda about how one massiha is going to come and save us all and why we should be in his group. Rest all will fall in line. I can't forgive all the missionaries who do conversions. If you want to do service to mankind, it can be done to people of other religions as well. It is not necessary to convert them to your religion first and then feed them. Most of the religions in the world have spread by use of strength, sword and suppresion of rights. If I am not wrong Pope himself made such a statement. People can''t be saved from themselves all the time. You may be able to save them from external danger, but you can''t protect them from their own thoughts and actions. Good thoughts and actions produce good results and bad thoughts and actions produce bad results. This is called karma. Karma doesn''t mean reincarnation as the west thinks. Karma is a sanskrit word meaning work or action. If you do good actions you will get good results. If you do bad actions you will get bad results. Reincarnation belief is an extension of this karmic belief. If you don''t get good results immediately you reassure yourself that you will get it in your next life. But reincarnation is just as much BS as life after death and ghosts and spirits and heaven and hell. · If you can get so infuriated by the criticism of your indoctrinated belief, nothing wrong in muslims taking to jihad. The degree of the result of rage is different. Your attitude is, I can criticise others but others should not criticise me. Can you please Identify The garden of Eden in universe. Can you locate the Heaven? Have you seen God pants down to say that it is he and not she or it?

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur/Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 15 2009

    Dear Mr. Shymal Mangalore, in which century are you and of which century are you speaking of? There were conversions by proselytizing not only by Christians but by all the religions and now/presently the practice is carried out by the Hindu fundamentals in India. Since the world began there were conversions and are going on. Present conversions are based on understanding and not by proselytizing . If Hindus have not done conversions then you had the right to speak. Hindus have done conversions.

    Christians have done conversions, Muslims have done conversions, Buddhists have done conversions and the cause of conversions is, people were martyred. Nothing will change and the changes are only the slogans. Can the law forbid conversions? Can Hindus Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, Muslims eliminate each other form this planet earth just only because he or she accepted another faith except God alone. Robbing a bank is a criminal act/theft case and a fundamental law of God. Whereas accepting another faith or not to accept/embrace another faith is a human right.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur/Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 15 2009

    Agreements are must and O.K. Whereas what is the legality/necessity of this agreement since there are no forced conversions in the nation (India).

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  • Clifford Fernandes, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 15 2009

    This meeting has no bearing on people who really caused trouble.

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  • bandhavya, mangalore

    Mon, Jun 15 2009

    Mr.Bharath before you commnet you must know the history. What was the population of India when we got freedom? And what is it now. The growth in the population is only of minorities or has it taken place in other religion also? What is dying and what is living? You only look at that which is suitable to you. As you say though our country is secular our secular functions start with invocations to a deity where the minorities feel left out. Mr. Bharath tell those people to use invocations which appealing to all. By the way not Vande Matharam but the one which includes the sentiments of all citizens.

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  • Vinod K. Shet, Vamanjoor

    Mon, Jun 15 2009

    What about so many Americans and Europeans converting into Hinduism like Hare Ram Hare Krishna faiths, are you or your Sheers not objecting to the conversions of Foreigners into Hinduism? As you are aware most of the Foreign countries are believers of Christianity.

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  • Eulalia D''Souza, Bijai / Mangalore

    Sun, Jun 14 2009

    It is a good beginning that a meeting has taken place between two religious leaders. Well not getting into inter religious attackes that happen here, let us look at it in a broad view. All religions are to be respected equally, keeping in mind each citizen of this country has a right to practice n propagte his / her own religion. Talking about forced conversions or otherwise, if it has happened decades or centuries ago, by some rulers, why do we brood over it now, when things are already in a delicate situation. If conversions were so very easy & catholics are believed to have done forceful conversions, not many other religions would be existing as on today & ratio would have been so much gigher than now. So let us think as educated, literate people in this angle rather than just talk n make allegations. The time n energy that is sepnt in discussing these issues could be used for betetr purpose I guess..

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  • Bulsam, Mangalore

    Mon, Jun 15 2009

    All religion have their own weaknesses. There are allegation against the different religious godman around the world for their wrong doings in the name religion & supressing the truth for their own benefits. Untill & unless the religions of the world don’t consider the human race as one they can never make this world a better place to live.

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  • shahnawaz kukkikatte, dubai/udupi

    Sun, Jun 14 2009

    It very clearly shows and proves that recent church attacks have the blessings of these seers and sankarachrayas. This is signal to all religiously minority citizens of India.

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  • AMAR NATHAL, ITALY

    Sun, Jun 14 2009

    Dear Shymal, How do you ban my thinking and believing? Let''s say I believe that there are twelve gods and go to a place where they have worship of such deities. How can there be a law that forbids me whom I should worship? It is up to me either to worship a cow, monkey, a snake, sun or a guru or a god of my choice. We cannot promulgate a law regarding who is to be worshiped. There is excessive fear of loosing our followers. Let there be more education and many gods will disappear. Now we need more gods to grant favors and to control our destiny. That is the reason why in highly industrial countries fear of hell does not stop people behaving the way they want. Similarly India cannot pass a Bill that would bind people to their religion. It is a personal choice. Let educated people help others understand this basic fact. As I have a right not to believe in any God, so do others have a right to believe and worship a God of their choice.

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  • C. M. Paul, Kolkata

    Sun, Jun 14 2009

    Hindu and Catholic leaders Must Walk the Talk In the landmark two-hour inter-faith conversation that took place behind closed doors, Catholic and Hindu religious leaders drew up the Mumbai Pact 2009: "No violence against minorities. No forced conversions. A pooling of resources for social work and charity.'''' Super deal! These guys signed utopia and agreed on things beyond their control… Look at it squarely.

    What can a Catholic Cardinal do to rein in the fringe and lunatic elements of Christian sects engaged in ridiculous “evangelization”? What can one Shankaracharya (there are four) who comes out of the Inter-Religious dialogue and calls for the boycott of the U.S. body visiting India to enquire into the religious intolerance and ruthless anti-Christian persecutions on the hapless tribal Christians of Orissa and else where do to ensure there is no more antichristian violence? Whom are these gentlemen trying to impress?

    This is not the answer to a problem that is embedded (etched) in the psyche of the nation that is communally vitiated since the infamous Kanyakumari to Kashmir “rath yatra” masterminded by the prime ministerial candidate of several Lok Sabha elections – LK Advani, way back in 1992. What is needed is a national awakening for communal harmony, led by these same inter-religious leaders… a Kanyakumari to Kashmir “pada yatra”. That is a tall order! Let us make it more practical. For a change, those great religious leaders who met at Mumbai''s Shanmukhananda Hall, 12 June (Sankaracharya of Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham, Jayendra Saraswati, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Mumbai Archbishop Cardinal Oswald Gracias and Cardinal Jean Louis P Tauran, the Pope’s representative from the Vatican) need to walk their talk… here are some suggestions:

    1) Go to Kandhamahal as an inter-religious high power team. 2) Visit the persecuted Christians driven out of their homes by their Hindu neighbours 3) See them, listen to their stories, comfort them, give them hope and courage 4) Lead the homeless in a “pada yatra”, yes, those great leaders of the Mumbai Pact 2009 5) Lead the “pada yatra” to settle them in their villages, holding an amity meet in each 6) Move on to the next village in the same way… 7) Move on to the third village in the same way… etc., etc. 8) Move on with “padaya yatra” till the last, homeless is settled in his/her rightful home. To add colour and media coverage some politicians and cine stars could be enlisted. And for mercy’s sake let no joint statement be drawn up nor any joint-agreement filed! Jai Hindi!

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  • bharat, Mangalore

    Sun, Jun 14 2009

    I dont understand Why anyone bother about a religion that is dying? i mean look around Mangalore - the place which was once a place filled with christians now has a lean population of about 15%. Can anyone tell how many new churches are built in the past 20 years? why dont we see the fact... There is one little thing that we are not looking into.... the population growth in the minority.. can anyone deny in the ever rising numbers of worship places for them? that shows the population boom... it is only a matter of numbers in democracy.... and there are a few years left before the ball BJP has thrown to the wall returns.. Only education and good values can save us. WAKE UP.... AND WAKE OTHERS UP... As for the talks, they are a welcome step by the leaders. But like some people view it.. can the Swamiji represent all Hindus? (and the RSS/BD). And when we talk secular, why are most of the public funtions begin with a ritual which is biased with one particular religion? Shouldn''t it begin with Vande Maataram?? And why bother about funds that are used for the betterment of the people rather than funds (from taxpayers money) being utilized to train anti-social elements? or terror organizations? It is really sad that once a country that rejoiced and celebrated all festivities like Holi, Diwali, Christmas, eid, ganesh chaturti.... has fallen prey to a few dirty minds (politicians), and the very neighbours look at each other with suspicion. Lets come together and fight this menance.

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  • Jawar D''Souza, M''Lore/Doha

    Sun, Jun 14 2009

    Religion and politics are the two subject''s which lead to voilence. Every body like''s his own religion and think''s it''s the right ans superior one. What we must understand is religion is only a path to go to heaven if you beleive in it.We may go to a top of the hill in different direction''s there is no point in arguing about it.

    Roman catholic church has not converted any one by force. A individual has got a mind of his own and there are law''s in the society,it is only said done by force,some year''s back a whole cummunity in Tamil nadu converted them selves to Muslim''s. We must look into the root cause why they convert.Blame game will be going on.

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  • Laxman, Dubai

    Sun, Jun 14 2009

    Over the last few centuries, Hindus have come under attack by external forces. Because of strong faith, cultural value system and tolerance, it is still a strong living force. Hindu has demonstrated a capacity to absorb in to itself new ideas without altering the essence of philosophy. It is a great thing that India is standing on the principle of Secularism which is difficult or impossible for other countries to follow.

    Recent attack on Indians in Australia/western countries clearly shows that they can not tolerate other race or religion spreading all over. Our history says there was forcible conversion of Hindus under different rulers .The Whole world knows and fear that two or more religion and races can not live together because of an ego so called might is right or their path is the right path to heaven. Because of differences, friction may start among the religious groups and there will be violence which is beyond human control and many innocent lives will be lost( e.g.-east Timor).

    We can achieve peace and harmony by respecting all the religion and not by spreading religion which is creating unhappiness among the people and slowly changing in to violent acts. I, myself follow some the Great teachings of Jesus Christ and at the same time proud to follow the saying “Sarve jana sukino bavantu”Means All human beings be happy and prosper. I appreciate the initiative of the religious leaders and request them to meet time to time and sort out the differences.

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  • Simon, Mangalore Dhahran

    Sun, Jun 14 2009

    Based on Septemebr 2008 incidents and attacks in Mangalore, it is not a good idea and worth having more educational institutes in our city. Several comments below shows the intrest from those who benefitted catholic educational institutes and thier secular freinds in the community. There is a fear and uncomfortable situation with no trust created by some elements which results further erosion of cnfidence in the system.

    Commuinity elders need to take methods and steps to survive, methods to live and prosper in the current enviornment,developments, and restictions. We have to minimize the impact by restraining from violence in spite of severe impact on us. Those involved in preparing and approving the stated agreements should provide directive to thier respective followers expaling the need and purpose of such agreements.

    These details should be provided and publihsed in news papers and e-media like DaijiWorld so that understanding and background is made available to all in the commuinity.

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  • wilfred.maxim.d''souza, kulshekar/ saudi arabia

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    there should be periodic inter-faith dialouge conferences in different places all over india and leaders of all relegions should join hand in hands to develop and protect the unity in our country which is heading towards the world economically top number.each state and each city should move together without violence but peace and if we are peaceful i don''t think that someone should come to guide us

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  • Anil D''Souza, Bantwal / USA

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    Premamnda Bhat, The IITs and IIMs are not run by any Catholic groups. Dont get me wrong - Catholics have contributed a lot to education field. However, they form a miniscule percentage in Indian education landscape. Our youngsters go abroad - not for the quality education as we all know. It''s an easy way to get a job and earn more money. Remember - if our education was not world class, we wouldn''t have built world-class IT industry today out of India.

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  • Roshan Castelino, Bangalore

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    I understand the point that forced conversions are wrong.Is the Kanchi seer against conversions of the Dalits who convert to attain social dignity that Hinduism denies to them because of their caste? By holding talks like this we give legitimacy to the fascist groups.The talks should have been centered round upholding human dignity through religion to which Hinduism has an aversion.

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  • Nanag Shetty, Kinnigoly/Oman

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    Human kind can be served with out any religious denominations. Religions always divided the society. Every religion is engaged in propaganda and proving their religion is the ultimate, at the cost of another religion and blood shed. Religions have become more destructive than any war. Will religions show any more wisdom about converting the human attitudes than their hosts? Or will competition for minds and resources become so intense that the world is destroyed ? Humankind might become wise enough to discover more caring religions before it is too late. We constantly progress up on science to improve our lives. Why not research on friendly and more helpful concepts? The ultimate solution to the human dilemma is to understand basic human spirituality and evoke saviours with in self of every human being, i.e. enlightenment, the perfect awareness .

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  • George Cruz, Managalore/USA

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    Dear Mr.Manohar Veigas, UDUPI, many of the victims of conversion are poor and being exploited. They don''t have means nor will to come forward. They are just concerned where their next meals is going to come from.

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  • WinstonAlva, Mangalore

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    Amar Nathal Now you are suggesting that children should be atheists and allowed to follow their relegion after adulthood.Then you should also either keep your house secular or follow relegion privately (with no signs of idols/pictures/relegious objects) lying around that may be influencing your children.Maybe soon your bajrangdal cohorts may ban baptisms for children in churches.

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  • Premanada Bhat, Mumbai

    Sun, Jun 14 2009

    We need more catholic educational institutes look our students in Australia over 90000 and US more then million? The Hindu Indians just do not understand they have to provide quality education here instead sending their children to overseas. Yes Mahatma Gandhi studied in UK and SA our Prime Minister Manmohan singh studied in UK how can we get quality education at home while any of Indian university does not count in the list of top 100 universities of world? It is only possible through selfless catholic nuns and priests. We all know a citizen who studied from a convent and catholic institute always hates violence loves his neighbor keeps harmony amongst different casts and creed.

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  • Shymal, mangalore

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    Francis B. - Let me clear up a couple of points - The swami is not representing the Hindu populace. - The Hindu''s are not followers or any religion or faith. Hinduism is not a faith based religion. Having said that, We the Hindu Indians are concerned about conversion, right from the time the portuguese who forcefully converted people against their will to now. So we need to ban it, just so that there is no loop hole to exploit it. This request is harmless, at least according to me. It is similar to stating that we need to have capital punishment for robbing a bank that has the citizens money fair deal unless I have a plan of stealing it ....??. Yes, after this we need to ensure that each religion has it''s own space and there should be tolerance exercised.

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  • Deven Sequeira, Pune

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    If the Hindu organizations can take foreign funds for charity purposes, then why can''t Christians? Don''t forget majority of quality education and charity homes in the country are run by the Christian missionaries where the religious majority study. If the Hindu trusts can establish class educational institutes and charity homes at a very rapid pace it will be very welcome by the Christian community.

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  • AMAR NATHAL, Italy

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    If an individual is capable enough to vote in an election, than person must have also the right to choose a religion as per his conviction. What we need to ban is the conversion of minors. We need to ask followers of all religions if their religion allows conversion of their members to other religions. If YES, only that religion has the right to receive new converts. You cannot argue that "my religion does not allow leaving the flock (apostasy) while preach the same to attract new followers." It means we are threatening people to stay in and try to convince others to get in because my religion is the best. In any case, no one can impose what type of God others have to believe in and worship. Should we fail to uphold the right of an individual to adhere a religion of his or her choice, then we are speaking about Talibanism. Imposing morality by force is against democracy. Education and employment of masses will give politicians and preachers little more time to relax.

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  • Francis B., Mangalore

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    From what has been reported it appears that "conversions" dominated the topic of discussions with little priority being shown to fundamental human rights which go beyond all religion and politics. This is clear from the lack of reference from the party representing the Hindus, to any outright and unconditional condemnation of the unspeakable violence against Christians in Kandhamal and other places. On the contrary by harping on the "conversions" allegations they not only condone the criminal activity of all those take the law into their own hands, they even legitimize it in the eyes of their followers.

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  • george borromeo, angelore, mangalore.

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    This is the begining of Inter Religious Dialogue. Good for us, let us convert people''s heart by our good deeds and examplary behaviour. Jesus called his followers(us)to bear his witness. Let us ward off the mistrust and doubt about our neighbour. Let us celebrate chouthy and Monthy saibinichen fest, as well as X''mass and Astami, Deepavali and Easter together. What is there in life span of 60 - 70 years, let us live in harmony, Peace and Brotherhood. Let us not worry about small factions of our societies creating trouble in the name of religion. Together we can demand them to refrain from obnoxious activities. I hope in Mangalore too Our and Protestant Bishop should start a dialogue with Hindu seers across the district, bringing along the moderator Sri Veerendra Heggade.

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  • Fredrick Correa, Nairobi, Kenya

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    If there are regular dialogues between the Catholic Church and the representatives of Hindus, all these so called Born Again, New Life issues can be sorted out. In fact due to these sects, the Catholic Church has suffered a lot. I am sure all the Hindu groups will know in due course the difference between the Catholic Church and all the other sects which do not fall under the domain of the Catholic Church. Even the most fanatic Hindus will not disobey or disrespect their Spiritual leaders.My heart felt thanks to all the Spiritual leaders from either side.

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  • Ravi Dsouza, udupi

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    MR santosh your comments it is correct. there is no control of Born Again, newlife, Bible societ for Roman Catholic Bishop or Pope. that why we RC last year taken beaten from Bajrang Dal, Sri Rama Sene members

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  • DENZIL, BALKUNJE/BANDRA/BORIVLI/QATAR

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    Santosh,I understand that this agreement does not cover the parties you mentioned but focuses on the 70-80% bulk of Hindus & Roman Catholics(out of the 100%) and who are non-violent/peace loving/non-converting in nature.The rest fall under the categories you mentioned,who need to be condemned and any violation by these parties on both sides should be treated as a law & order situation and dealt severely by the authorites.

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  • Max & Jessie Rasquinha, Mangalore, Houston,Tx

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    Great initiative that will pave way for various future dialogs between leaders of different faiths in India. Periodic inter-faith Conferences and discussions are always essential and valuable in order to strengthen the links of communication in India where "secularism" plays an important role from the time of India''s independance. The Moslems, Christians and many other faiths that remained within the mainstream of India is an exemplary part of India''s hard earned beauty of Independance. Cardinal Gracias and his wise intervention amongst other leaders of India''s diversified religions need our continued support and best wishes. An opportunity for another Papal visit to India from Vatican should also be explored in order to gain the momentum between Christians and the rest of Mother India. In the light of various delicate and sad situations taking place in our neighbouring countries, India should always remain vigilant on various future precautions in order to enjoy the continued peace and harmony amongst all the faiths in India.

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  • A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    Santosh has rightfully stated an important clause with this issue. All religions have the right to preach their faith, and the each individual has, his or her right to change religion. Leaders of any religion has no birthright speak on behalf the personal liberty of the individual. It must be unlawful to induce anybody to convert through any material incentive. Even though the Cardinal and the Hindu leader are trying to bring peace through negotiations which is highly commendable, but they have crossed the perimeter so as to encroach the personal liberty of the individual.

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  • Manohar Veigas, UDUPI

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    Appreciate the fact that prominent religious leaders from both communities expressed concern on their respective issues and promised to start a new chapter. But the matter of fact is both these leaders represent the peace-loving and highly tolerant society who have not involved themselves in any violence and hate-agenda. We as a part of the civilised society should understand that there are some politicial outfit organisations whose only aim is to spread hatred, fear through false propoganda since without that their existence would be meaningless. But it is for the followers to decide how long such agenda of hatred would work. We have a strong legal system, which provides relief for the "victim of forced conversion". Let''s have faith in the system and allow the victim to seek justice. Till today we have seen police complaints registered by christians for being victim of violence on the issue of conversion, but why we are not seeing the ''victim of forced conversion'' coming forward and only the vested interest organistations talking about it?

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  • Santosh, Udupi / Bahrain

    Sat, Jun 13 2009

    Does this agreement applies to Born Again, New Life etc etc - on whom the RC community have no control and Bajrang Dal, Sri Rama Sene etc etc - on whom Shankaracharya has no control. Without that this agreement makes no sense

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