Mangalore: Pub Culture - Evil to the society

Feb 2, 2009

Mangalore is fast emerging. Recent pub attack raised the question mark on our unique cultural identity.

First of all let me make it clear. No one can force/abuse people to behave in a certain way - even if they get drunk, have drugs, run over early morning walkers in their inebriated state, etc…! Looking back, I can imagine a number of social or institutional interventions which might have helped prevent this attack from happening. But none of them includes the approach to "raise awareness" among young men and women that getting drunk in public puts them at greater risk of exploitation and sexual assault.

Culture is a way of living in a particular community. It is the sum total of all things that refer to religion, roots of people, symbols, language, songs, stories, celebrations and all expressions of our way of life. We as mangaloreans have certain kind of uniqueness; the language we speak, traditions, celebrations whether it is Hindu, Muslim, Christian or others. Especially cultural perspective, the recent pub incident is an eye opener and it is time for us to retrospect the incident and decide what is good for us and how we preserve our values. People are converging into fake stereotypes; unique cities that carry so much history and enriching culture facing the threat of degradation of ethnic culture.

Globalization has affected people's cultural behaviors in different ways. The loud echoing advertisement rhythms of the famous Malibu/Kingfisher/ Marlboro can be heard across boundaries in towns, cities and even in remote rural areas where drinking water is a problem to get.

Pubs and drinking are the latest yuppy rage among Indian youngsters. The multi-national liquor producers are aggressively marketing in all areas from metros to towns. Shareholders and pub owners love it. Cigarette smoking, drinking is declining in the US, but it is growing at 4%-per year-the result of strategic global marketing aimed mostly at adolescents.  Once the US assistant health secretary quoted; "It is unconscionable for the mighty trans-national tobacco companies to be peddling their poison abroad, particularly because their main targets are less developed countries”. The growing pub culture, is contributing to alcoholism at an earlier age. Young people are switching to smoke, drugs and alcohol. In one of the recent reports, the average age of alcoholics coming for help has dropped from 35 to 26." 

The vast majority of us live local lives. But the impact of globalization (ex: pub culture) is to change the very texture of this locality and therefore the nature of cultural experience in general. One way of understanding this is to think about the places we live in as being increasingly ‘penetrated’ by this harms-way of pub culture. It is not surprising, if people revolts against this evil culture and such kind of revolt are good for the wellbeing of the decent society. Let us take good out of the last week incident.

Mahatma Gandhi identified the consumption of alcohol as a major social evil and urged a ban on drinking. The Indian Government wrote a section into the Constitution declaring its intention to enforce prohibition. But today, state governments across the country are violating this edict with impunity, because the liquor industry is a major source of revenue. Various organizations protested against the alcoholism. But contrary, today visiting pub has become the fashion statement.

In the name of modernization, pub culture pretends to be uplifting peoples whom it is really exploiting. Hope I don’t need to give examples of pubs where it enforces female accomplice for the entry. Is it not the height of exploitation of women? 

Long time westerners thought they are bringing civilization and culture to the uncivilized eastern world. It was given the glorious title of 'White Man's Burden'. I feel it is the lack of our self esteem making us to fall prey to each and everything what western world follows. In this modern and educated world, it is wise to follow good things than becoming slave to the bad culture. 

India has more percentage of educated folks compared to 1947. But, at the same time we have become more and more corrupt.  Time and again we expose ourselves so easily that we can accept anything which is not needed for the country to progress, but many times fail to accept the good qualities like non-corruption, obeying law of the land which is essential for the country’s strong foundation.

Some people might argue it is the personal choice to accept the pub culture. I do agree with that for certain extent provided the ideal environment. But in reality it is not so. Do we ever imagine how much of these cultures having ill effect on young minds, friends, neighbours, kids, relatives?  Are they not adding danger to the lives of innocent people? How many examples needed when people out of pub drove over and claimed the lives of innocent people? Or where the most people were tested positive for drug abuse when they caught in pubs/rave parties? It is documented that, more than 50% case of rape/abuse happens under the influence of alcohol. It was nice to see the unity among people against pub attack. But how many of us raised voice against the root cause of the issue -pubs?  Many a times, affluent people seem to be hijacking the media and young minds for the fulfilment of their pleasures.

Aren’t these pub cultures destroying the fabric of society on long run? What type of shining India we can expect when the youngsters start using drugs/smoke/alcohol at the very early stage of their life? What type of society or culture we are shaping in the name of modernization? This pub culture can add more corruption, cheaters and criminals to the beautiful neighbourhood and society. Is it the beginning of the duality of lust and luxury as the male and female deities, with money as its priest, fraud, force, and competition its ceremonies, and human soul its sacrifice.

True confident citizens believe and respect their culture, traditions and origin. It is the lack of self confidence making them to become prey for all these evil cultures. Let us count on the people who build the society than destroying the society. It is the time to insist government to evolve a policy to protect people from the ill effects of the pub culture. People should come up with effective way to prevent and counter the onslaught of this harmful culture”. Good cultural society is the foundation for strong nation.

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Comment on this article

  • flavian rego, Khem kharan/Canada

    Sun, Mar 29 2009

    With the prosperity that came to South India, especially the IT and call centre business, ex-pats and locals, also decided to cash in on the boom by opening bars etc. Mangalore was living in the dark ages for too long, till Mangalore Port was established and people started going to the Gulf. The forces fighting this development are like the Taliban ..Ostrichs with their heads in the sand .

    My advice to the HINDU FANATICS is WAKE UP and don't fight with the results of modernisation! Pubs and clubs serve their purpose in modern society, so does prostitution, which is the oldest profession in the world...Try stopping it first ...then try banning cigaretts...DOWRY...CAST SYSTEM...Discriminating against DALITS, poor peasants in the villages....I can go on and on...

    It was a Hindu who murdered Gandhi the apostle of peace. By attacking pubs and bars , will India's economic disparity go away??? Please work on that issue instead and use your influence and power to...Eliminate the gap between the RICH and the (majority) POOR!! You will note that petty issues, like those raised in India and the Subcontinent ...RELIGION.. is a non- issue in the West, although the Hindus and Muslims are trying their best effort to pollute the harmonous environment with their RELIGIOUS bigotry and fundamental hang-ups by using pressure tactics to make the non- Sub-Continental settlers to accept their lop- sided version of their faith as religion. They bring their hang -ups like the Babbar Khalsa stuff , Tamil Elam and Hindutva CRAP, Jamaat Islami dung and try to push it down every ones throat....WAKE UP...you frogs living in a well , who can only see a circular piece of sky and not the whole picture.Shed you holier than thou attitude and live and let live... serve your fellow-man, like Gandhi ji and Mother Theresa. Readers,I thank you all for your patience

  • Sheikh's, Mangalore/Dubai

    Thu, Feb 26 2009

    Good Morning Mangalore! Enjoy your life "live and let other live" this is what I can say. Everyday some one have something to raise about society Am Iright? Before doing that just peep (look at) your family then step out guys! there is no base what we guys need! simply we are fights like animal. Culture:

    According to culture there are many important things that we dont do, for example dont hurt some one right the first step of everyone's culture that we donot do! then why we guys fight' guys get into your jobs guys let work something for our family our neighbours, our society, our state, our country. best of Luck guys

  • Satish Shetty, Mangalore

    Fri, Feb 06 2009

    Todays headline:- Rama Sena men target Kerala MLA's daughter:- Last week Mr Bharath Shetty you wrote "Let us take good out of last weeks incident". This week probably you must enlighten us with another article of yours "Let us take good out of this weeks incident" and suggest women travelling in bus is against our culture after all did women travel by buses 5000 years back in India? It is easy man sitting in USA and writing articles in the comforts of your home. Put yourself in the victims position and then write.

  • Imtiaz Mohammed Hyder, Mangalore / Dubai

    Fri, Feb 06 2009

    I fully agree with Mr. Bharat Shetty, one noble person exists. I am surprised some of our own Mangalorean brothers disagreeing for fully white collar comment of Mr.Bharat Shetty. What happened at the Pub was so sad, but its really an eye opener for the wise parents to take care of their dear children from getting spoilt in the process. Salute to Mr.B.Shetty...Keep it up !!

  • Kevin Mascarenhas, Mangalore/UAE

    Fri, Feb 06 2009

    I do not one bit agree with the comments of Mr George Cruz Mangalore/USA. India cannot be said to possess only hinduism. Hinduism is a way of life as amongst Hindus(broadly classified) you have so many different sects who follow totally different life styles. So basically they have all been classified as Hindus and actually worship different Gods. Nobody is asking or funding conversions in India.  If at all a person converts he/she does so for personal reasons. Michael jackson has now become a Muslim.  What happened to the western money to keep him christian ?  Pub going is an activity not a religion. These are unemployed and misguided youth who have been eaisly manipulated by shrewed politicians(includes religious leaders) for personal gains. We Indians have this habit of fighting amongst ourselves and creating self distrutive divisions.Hence the British and other foreigners could rule us for so long.They may be still laughing at Indians.

  • Georgr Cruz, Mangalore/USA

    Wed, Feb 04 2009

    I agree with Bharath shetty. The basic fabric of India has been Hinduism for many centuries. It has survived and flourished for many centuries in spite of the evil things like caste system, sati, etc. There were no other major religions in India until the arrival of Portuguese, Turkish, and Mogul invaders. The democratic and secular India has been trying make up for the injustices done to SC, ST and minorities by giving them quota in every walks of life e.g., education, jobs, etc for long time now. The forcible conversion (exploitation of poor and disadvantaged) practiced by the missionaries (financed by the west) is wrong because in the long run it is an assault on the basic fabric of India. If missionaries want to help the poor then they should do so with no strings attached. I don’t blame groups like Ram Sena, Bajarang Dal, etc who are trying to slow down the process. Even in the USA (being the largest democracy in the world) there are right wing groups who will revolt if there are too many mosques and temples being built across the country.

  • Walter Vaz, Mangalore/Germany

    Thu, Feb 05 2009

    All these talks on Pub culture is a total crap. We live in a biggest democratic country in this world.So where is the sense for anyone objecting drinking beer in his local pub. All these culprits who want anti-drinking must be moved to Afganistan where they can be converted into Taliban.

  • Raghu Salian, Mangalore / Mumbai

    Wed, Feb 04 2009

    Dear Mr. Shetty, Almost 70% of the bars in Mumbai are owned by the Mangaloreans and does that mean that is against Indian culture. Those who wants to visit a pub or a star hotel to drink must have the freedom to do so. What is wrong in drinking moderately it is considered to be good for health. If one exceeds the limit then it is bad for health and the person could also misbehave. We very rarely find people misbehaving and just because one or two out of thousands misbehave you cannot stop serving alcohol. For that matter all good things are also misused that does not mean you stop all the good things. All of us are diverting the subject and blaming the poor girls who were having a good time rather than blame all these goons for their indecent behaviour and threatening the modern society. Who the hell they think they are to do any moral policing. What right do they have, these are the questions we need answer right now. Government of the day is acting irresponsibly and trying to skirt the real issue.

  • A. R. Kunil, Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 04 2009

    Compare the Arrack shops running all over the place & some alcoholics including women sitting outside most of these arrack shops totally boozed to few organised pubs without such scenes. These pubs get their licence from the govt, due to that they invest a huge sum on the property, decoration, fixtures & furnitures. They employ kitchen, dining, administration & security staff. They pay sales tax, electric, water, maintenance etc. bills & charges.

    After spending all these money, in which the govt, the unemployed & many other agencies are the beneficaries. Then why someone gate crash into their pub & chase their valued customers in the manner how they did? Was this right? will this protect our culture? will this bring down the crime in the city? will this make those few youngsters who visit pubs more sobber? will they stop wearing western dress? will they stop smoking cigrettes?

    Think with a relaxed mind & the answer for most of these questions ar a BIG NO. More over, those young women were the educated citizen of our country who are our generation-next. Do they deserve such humiliation, beating them mercilessly like they were any hard core criminals who had committed a very serious crime. Did they commit that a big crime? Hence what happened was wrong & taking law into their hand is punishable offence by our law.

    This should stop for our good, for our city's future developement, for our Mangalorian reputation who have excelled in all fields & they are well settled all over the world. KINDLY NOTE, ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE THE CREATION OF THE SAME GOD & THE TEACHINGS OF ALL THE RELIGIONS ARE BASICALLY THE SAME BUT TECHNICALLY EACH ONE HAVE DIFFERENT IDEOLOGY. We practice religion to become a better human being & not otherwise. May God Bless us all.

  • Ajay, India/USA

    Wed, Feb 04 2009

    Certainly use of any substance like drugs, alcohol, tobacco or even pharmaceuticals is not a good thing. You can say the same about a lot of things which are not a good thing for society to have. Bars, liquor shops, toddy shops, gambling, inequality for women, corruption and on and on.... The point is how do you bring about this awareness and change to make the world a better place for everyone. Its the method that is the issue in India. Bharath conveniently uses the environment of the recent pub attack to push an article like this, which has the right message but the wrong intent.

    It is a moralizing attitude that seeks to judge any behavior from an point of view of culture. Culture is a relative standard, what is Indian culture for one could be heresy for another. Who is to be the judge in such a case. He twists facts from the US and cherry picks a few lines from here and makes an rather flimsy argument. In the US any improvement in reducing the consumption of Tobacco has been brought about by public awareness programs.

    There is a decrease in Alcohol consumption in the US.In fact it has become much more prevalent. There has been an public awareness campaign to reduce teenage binge drinking and a public awareness campaign to reduce driving under the influence of Alcohol. The law is strict to enforce drunken driving. But there is no attempt to reduce alcohol consumption among adults. In fact the US tried prohibition several decades ago and it was a colossal failure as it encouraged bootlegging and the Govt wowed never to implement such an bone headed policy again.

    De licensing has been carried to such an extent in the US that in San Francisco, there are clinics which administer Marijuana to sick people too and there is an attempt to decriminalize the drug. I think this is an attempt by Bharath to use moral platitudes in a divert attention on the purported message of Ram Sene than their means.

    There is no one anywhere who says teenagers should consume alcohol, in the same way that no one says teenagers should have sex, or get pregnant or waste their life in any other manner. It is the means of bringing about that change that is the issue of discord here.

    This is an intellectually shallow piece of writing as it does not focus on the deeper social causes for this kind of behavior by youngsters. Bharath's article conveniently the skirts that important issue and rather tries to make these vices look deserving of the vulgar response from vigilante's.

  • Joachim Fernandes, US

    Wed, Feb 04 2009

    Mr Bharath Shetty, What is the reason for the spread of lawlessnes in Mangalore? Why do young men resort to violence to settle problems? Indians have failed to take up the brown man's burden to maintain law and order in the state.

  • A.R.Ibrahim, Jeddah

    Wed, Feb 04 2009

    In pub culture or wine culture there are certainly negative aspects. How about dowry culture? This is the most burning problem as well. Many girls could not find life partners. Even after getting married dowry is demanded. These are realistic issues we need to address asap and root them out. It is not fair to greed on father in law's property and it is a sort of conditional contract, if you meet this requirement, we will agree to this marriage contract. Dont you think this totally unfair. Dowry should never be misrepresented to gift.

  • Richard Lobo, Mangalore/ London

    Wed, Feb 04 2009

    I am totally lost with Bharat Shetty's article. This nothing to do with culture, drinking, drugs or smoking. This is the pure intention of GOONDAS to MOLEST innocent women & have sexual satisfaction. In the west we value women as equals & not sexpots

  • Suresh Hebbar, Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 04 2009

    Even if pub licenses are being cancelled (if we assume) the same pub owners will apply for a bar license and continue to serve liquor to the same crowd. In other words pubs will be converted to hi-end or deluxe bars. Nothing is going to change. The reality is pubs wont get converted to yoga schools. People who drink will continue to drink.

  • Lavina, Mangalore

    Tue, Feb 03 2009

    Dear all, Fight against evil without using the tool of religion or politics. It is the individual who is bad and not the religion. Every religion is good by itself. We need to give love, attention and moral education to our children so that they do not fall a prey to these bad habits and also make them aware of its consequences. Let us first control our children and then control the public. A good home creates a good society and a good nation.

  • rizwan, mangalore/Dubai

    Tue, Feb 03 2009

    Pub culture is western which is not acceptable to indian society. What about the "Indian" version of Pub namely "GADANG" (Arrack Shop) about which no one complains. We like to be in Stone age my dear friends. I do not know how many SENAS will unearth in Mangalore as this is the best chance for unemployed goondas to emerge as leaders and gain popularity in the media. Am I right ???

  • Vincy, Mulky/Dubai

    Tue, Feb 03 2009

    kishore, kundapur/dubai. Your borrowing the lines from Ram Sene. Sri Ram Sene, assuming they knew there was something wrong happening in the pub, they should have alerted the police instead of taking the law in their own hand. If police is still in-active, they should make all dharna's infront of police station to ensure the illegal activities are not happening. Why they did not do so?. If drinking is an issue we should force the Govt to decline issuing licenses. If law enforcer is stronger, competent, impartial and swift, lawbreaker won't find a place to hide, he will be careful.

  • VITTAL ACHARYA, UDUPI

    Tue, Feb 03 2009

    DAVID, MANGALORE - No strenght in your comments which is like fundamental style.

  • Josephine, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Well said David/Mangalore! These hypocritical 'guardians of Indian culture' can molest and attack defenseless women, alleging to defend moral values and family life. Rape, child labour, pornography, prostitution etc. must all be a part of 'Indian culture' as these are very much rampant in India which these self-proclaimed 'guardians of Indian culture' are not bothered to help eliminate.

  • kishore, kundapur/dubai

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    after reading the comments on the above article i have learned some new facts of life, it is good to drink,its ok if ur son/daughter/wife goes to a pub as we are becoming "modern" it is bad manners if u try to stop bad and immoral acts in public and last and most important " people should drink make merry and break the law "

  • Clive, Mumbai/ Kuwait

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Ban all liquor manufacture so that all people in the country remain sober and dont commit crimes. But what about the people who remain sober and still commit crimes? People who kill in the name of religion even when they are sober? I would rather forgive a drunk who commits a crime than a sober person committing a crime

  • SUNIL, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Mr.Bharath Shetty, Your mistaken all attacks are political drama and only for political gain. Our State is heading from RAMRAJ to GOONDARAJ Do you know that?

  • Lance, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    The Assumption is totally wrong. Pub culture is not foreign or western. It always existed in India. People in Indian villages since times immemorial always gathered in a place and enjoyed a little drink. Today we are in an era of industrialization and postmodernism. It is more organized and systematized. Associating drinking in a pub with western culture is ignorance of indian reality itself. Secondly, strong nation is not built on the culture of goondaism and hooliganism. A nation is strong when discrimination on the basis of sex, caste, class is eliminated. A nation is strong when poverty and corruption are eradicated.It is my wish that the youthful energy is directed towards some of these grave concerns that the country faces today and not false cultural jingoism. Let us build our nation on global human values.

  • David , Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    I read all the comments. Some were good and some are plain stupid. what many people lack is knowledge. that that too on a wider perspective. One of these days I am hearing a word really frequently. That word is Culture. I want to ask all of you here what do you know about culture. Because I am sure that most of you don’t even know what a culture is. Culture changes with time. It’s not static but dynamic in nature. It differs from place to place, people to people. I don’t know what exactly you mean by Indian culture. But one thing is for sure is that some radical and fundamental minority groups are doing much wrong in the society by the name of culture. If all of you people so in favor of protecting our culture then why do you prefer to abolish caste system. Its part of Indian culture. Why don’t you practice sati system? I can go on mentioning similar things that exist in Indian culture. Why do all of you people frown upon depiction of naked women, which was very part of our culture. Is fact censorship came along with Christianity. Christianity would never allow depiction of naked men as well as women. there was no censorship in pre-Christianity in India. So why censorship? Man has been drinking alcohol ever since he learnt how to. Drinking doesn’t have to do with western culture at all. Alcohol has helped the man to forget his sorrows and have a good time. As I read in some book about Indian warfare it was stated that they used to feed rice alcohol to the war elephants before the battle, so that they could charge against the enemy fearlessly. What I want to say is that alcohol is essential part of human craving whether you people like it or not. Banning alcohol is not the solution. You can’t shout against alcohol just because you don’t drink. If you don’t drink good for you.

    Let me live my life how I want to live. Going to a Pub is not a culture. It can’t become a culture. If I have money I will go and spend it in a pub. It’s my wish. Simply because you cant afford to go to a pub, doesn’t give you a right to tell me what is right and wrong. And by the way how much is there a difference between a bar/restaurant and a pub. The only difference is that the latter one has loud music and ridiculously over priced drinks. How can pub have bad influence and not bar/restaurant? Once I asked a friend of mine – what is one good about India? He told me that India has culture and tradition. It can be really a great thing to say but in reality it is a grim excuse for our backwardness. We would proudly go around damaging property, beating up women for the sake of culture.

    What I would say to all of those bragging about Indian culture is that first read some thing about Indian culture. Don’t read from textbooks but from independent publishers. And only then talk about Indian culture. I have written this following comment after reading the article by Bharath Shetty and all the following comments. Myself I don’t drink nor I smoke nor I go to pu

  • Lucas, Mangalore, UAE

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    I tend to partially disagree with Bharat Shetty. I don't think everything that is western is bad and so also going to Pub. Social, occasional drinking, mingling with people and having little fun can certainly not be called bad. What is bad is alcholism and not all type of drinking. Alcholism existed in India and Mangalore much before any western contact was established. It is unfortunate that even today there are ample cases of squandering the whole days earning on alcholism and torture of wife and children under it's influence. I am yet to see BJP, VHP and any of its mushrooming entities like Rama Sena raising their voice against this. Organisations having their origin in the west such as Alcoholic Anonymous have been contributing towards elimination and rehabilitation of alcoholics. I have never seen any Rama Sena or Bajarang Dal doing such work anywhere. In the current instance, I don't think there was single person that was so inebriated that he or she was out of senses or beating wife and children there. Those who beat the women were the Rama Sena followers. These are the very people drink and carry out all type of illicit work in private and try to present themselves as protectors the the culture in public. This type of hypocrisy deserves to be condemned.

  • Kishore Attavar, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    There is nothing like pub culture. Pubs are clean and provide good service than most of the bars and therefore people who want to socialise and unwind generally visit pubs for the quality service they provide. To link pubs with drugs is utter foolishness. I have been visiting pubs for the last 20 years and I dont think there is any connection whatsoever between pubs and drugs. There is no way to support or endorse last weeks acts. Many people drink like pigs in cheap bars and they cannot see others having good time in a quality bar or pub as you can call. To end pub culture we have to end alcoholic culture itself in all its forms.

  • Clive, Mumbai/ Kuwait

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Its a good article. But more than pub culture its the culture of intolerance that is spreading out all over India intolerance in the name of religion, region, caste etc. Are we imitating western culture when we kill others in the name of religion or for regional(like MNS in Maharashtra) issues, Mr. Shetty? No. First of all, tolerance towards people of other religions and regions has to be thought by the parents, then our teachers and lastly our politicians. But our politicians are concentrating mostly on vote banks and hence would never like to see all Indians united. Criminals and miscreants are misguided by these politicians to indulge in violence so that they can have some issue ot fight for in the next election

  • Vijay, Udupi, Udupi

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Arre ! what is this going on ? Why you people are behind pubs ? We need pubs in Mangalore and Udupi. I'm not bothered about whether it is an Indian culture or imported one. If you can, try to ban all these thousand and political parties.

  • Rajesh, Bangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Hello Floks Discuss pratical things. Pub & Club will remain as long as there are waves in the sea.

  • VITTAL ACHARYA, UDUPI

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    No problem for pubs in India but make it exclusively for womens with time limit and no pick-up.

  • Vincy, Mulky/Dubai

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    1) In Mangalore, the conditions of roads itself is good enough to kill people, it does not require a drunken person in a pub & cause the accident. There are hundreds of wine shops all around and on every road if still alcohol is the reason.

    2) If we assume everything should remain as the same as like our fore-fathers did, each one of us should be walking towards river-side daily & early mornings to start with.

    3) Whatever the influence of various cultures, it is the general society that accepts or rejects it. May be film 'Sholay' to reminded here how it conducts personality test "Meri Ladki Kavari Rahen lekhin juvari ke saath shadi nahin karvavnghi". The point is gamble & liquor was always there eversince, but society puts the checks and balances, naturally in its own way and most importantly WITHOUT ANY NEED OF VOILENCE. Dont worry on the Pub Culture, but worry about MOB Culture, which is voilent and will create voilent chain reaction.

  • Narayana, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    NICE TO SEE GOOD THOUGHTS OF BHARATH SHETTY. I fully endorse the points raised by Mr.abdulla Madumoole, Abu Dhabi/UAE. His dispassionate views on such an important issue is well appreciated.THANKS TO Daijiworld for the good job.

  • Kevin Mascarenhas, Mangalore/UAE

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    First of all let me say to Mr Bharat Shetty without trying to put down your article is to understand that very language we are communicating here is Englsh a language from a country which ruled us unfairly for 200 years. while we have accepted that, lets not make distinctions like western and desi. I would like to appeal to all Indians(Mangaloreans in particular) to stop being stupid and learn to respect other people's choice of lifestyle as long as it does not harm you. about drinking and driving it has nothing to do with liquor/pubs its just poor judgement. Let those who may not have had a modern upbringing feel insecure or have a complex as fears basically stem from that. Introspect and educate oneself first.

  • shakeerhameed, manglore(ksa}

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    exelent bharath shetty keep it up

  • Jude, Mangalore /Dubai

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Everything that we do today relates to western culture. The clothes we wear, the food we eat, the medical care and medicines that we utilize, the aircraft we fly. I could go on and on. Why only blame liquor?. The entire blame lies with organizations like Ram sena as they did not put in any efforts to promote our toddy, arrack, home made coconut and cashew fenny. Had it been properly done then our toddy, fenny and arrack would have been more popular than the foreign beers and scotch whiskey. We would have been proud promoters of Indian culture. I still believe it is not too late. Mr Mutalik there is still time to start an aggressive propoganda to promote our toddy, arrack and fenny. If you need a volunteer please count me in. No more pubs, wine shops and bars. Let us all drink our local made booze and live happily ever after.

  • Dinesh, Farangipet/Sharjah

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Closing down pubs and liquor shops make policemen and villagers rich. Villagers start WATIS CO. Police start roaming in the villages in search of WATIS Co.s. It would be a good revenue for the police. "Dil Laga to Piya. Paisa laykay chod diya" Wah ' Wah ' Going back to 19th century.

  • M J Shastri, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Mr. Bharat Shetty Kateel, how about giving a solution? Why not make a PIL and move the courts to have all the pubs closed. Who do you think is profiting by giving licenses to pubs .... not you and me. The same govt. who sends these gangsters to beat women in pubs. Its not about culture, its about respect for an individual's choice provided it is legal. The lawmakers should know better whether pubs are good or bad for Indian culture.

  • Vincy, Mulky/Dubai

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Nice Article. Appreciate if your thoughts on Mob Culture, which is growing rapidly in karnataka and elsewhere, unchecked by authorities.

  • Rajesh, Barbados

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Hi Bharath..just amazing..great. keep going! How can somebody compare alcohol with burmuda!!its funny!! I still remeber someone told me couple of years ago..kissing in public in India is a big issue because its against indian culture where as not in the west. same time passing urine in the public is allowed in India and it happens all around doesnt matter if the wasroom is 5 meter away!thats the indian culture where as passing urine in the public place is not allowed in the west. confusing isnt it..now which one you think right and when are we going to talk this matter!

  • dsouza, sharjah

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Because of western culture, india has developed. if we had to leave it in our hands, sorry to say dont expect india the way it is now..! we ourselves know the harm of drinking & smoking, u dont need to beat people to create awareness..what crime is committed by going to pubs..is there any law that pubs should not exist ? what are wine shops then ? the youth now is exposed to western culture..so let us live the way we want to live ! at your times all this wasn't there. so your just against todays modern development..all those hooligans they are just frustrated..beating girls was the right thing they did. that's surely in their culture. not in ours !

  • kulamarva balakrishna, kulamarva,padubidri &vienna

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    my comment is on the issue.we should not let hooligans enjoy our guardianship. it is the responsibility of the local government to enforce rule of law. individuals have own choices.we should respect them.we should not import taleban in any case. kulamarva balakrishna

  • Shareef Moideen, Mangalore/ Jeddah, Saudi Arabia

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Who will decide which culture is wrong or right? Alcohol is the root cause for all the evils but how can we prohibit this culture which is growing like mushrooms. Central & state government should take initiative to educate the youths (they are in a conclusion that drinking is a trend). We cannot prevent pub culture but we can educate the youths so they voluntarily give up. We have other graver issue that needs to be addressed before tackling this pub menace.

  • Jessrichi, Kuwait

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Mr. Bharath, its nice to spread awareness, however, if pub culture should be banned then for sure liquor should be banned in that case. And if you think pub culture is western culture, then same way trousers also western culture, and in that case all men should wear dhoti kurta?

    Instead of going forward Mangalore’s some jobless gundas wants to take Mangalore backwards. I am not supporting youngsters drinking or taking drugs, but if they go to pubs enjoy music, dance what’s wrong in that? These politicians brain wash the jobless people and give some money to create chaos in the city and ruin the peace and exactly that is what is happening in the peaceful Mangalore. May God bless Mangalore.

  • Ramesh, Mumbai

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Pub culture is not our Culture. Infact, our Culture is drinking arrack & beating wife and childrens, molesting girls in the name of protecting our culture.

  • Saiju N.K.,

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Going to a pub and commiting a road accident, killing innocent pedestrians under the influence of alcohol are two different things altogether. And one doesnt necessarily need to go to a pub, to drink and commit an accident.One who goes to a shabby roadside "dhaba"can also commit the same.Accidents because of  alcohol occurred even in times when the pubs were not there.The law should act against those who are found driving under the infuence of alcohol and not against those who visit a pub. The root cause of Rapes and other crimes , is a sick mind,or may be untransformed predator instincts of the stone age.It is certainly not because of the chemical called ethanol. It was not about alcohol and health concerns. It was not because of the cirrhosis of lever that the victims might have had in the later part of their life. It was because of the mingling of sexes, and the good time that the boys and girls were having together. It was the frustration and jealousy of members of the Moral Brigade.Obviously the attackers coud'nt afford to drink and dine in a pub or high end restaurant. Most of them perhaps never got a chance to mingle with the classic members of the opposite sex.Their jealousy is understandable.And the Politicians exploited this weakness of theirs to serve their own selfish interests. our culture is about mutual acceptence and harmony of the opposites.This sort of intolerence is itself a foreign concept

  • JOHN.R.LOBO, Kaikamba/Dubai

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Good Article Bharat. Please remember that neither Federal nor Karnataka Govt can impose 100% prohibition irrespective of Political Ideologies. Gandhiji termed Alcohol drinking as evil. In respecting his views his home state Gujarat imposed a Prohibition. But what is actually happening in Gujarath…..????? Bootlegging is rampant….!!!! Pub culture is a Vice, 100% correct. Then what about Bars, Wine shops, Toddy shop, Matka ( BID), betting in Cock fight ( Koli Anka), Haptha vasooli ... ????? . Is this the culture of Tulu Nadu…..???? Why are  there no social awareness programmes for all these evils….???? Where is our so called Social reformer or Moral police…….???? Why have they not REVOLTED for all these filthy things.….??? This indicates that those who revolted Pub Culture have tasted these. We people have shaped our society. Any organization can give guidance through proper channel. But moral policing is not acceptable.

  • Abdulla Madumoole, Abu Dhabi, UAE

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    A good article by Bharath Shetty, I agree with him that alcoholism is a social evil. I would like to add that alcoholism is not only harmful to the society but is also harmful for one’s self, both physically and mentally. Alcoholism is bad not only for Indian culture but also for humanity as a whole. Alcoholism in any form, whether drink in pubs or bars or consume at home, all are equally bad and evil. When we condemn the pub culture, are we forgetting our labor class for whom visiting toddy shops in the evening and falling in the roadside is a routine? Drinking damages a person physically and imbalances mentally. Slowly but surely, it takes away from us our capacity to think, reason and differentiate wrong from righteousness. Spirituality disappears totally and instead of our heart and mind controlling our life, alcohol starts dictating the direction of our life. In my point, consumption of alcohol in any form, any quantity, in any place is totally wrong and condemnable. But how to stop this ? Definitely not through legal prohibitions and force, it is impossible to stop this way. Inculcating good values and proper education in our children is to be done by parents, schools, government and the society as a whole. Children should get their first lesson at home and we should make it a point that we parents practice what we preach to our younger ones. It is unfortunate that in stead of discussing ways to eradicate alcoholism including pub culture, we are concentrating on whether pub culture is good or bad. Every one knows that alcohol is the root cause for many of the social evils but still we glamorize and glorify drinking.

  • ajith, mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    I do not agree with the author. If pub culture is not required we dont need Goa to exist.We dont have thugs attacking restaurants in Goa.We also dont find native goans who have booze in abundance create public disorder.Only Hypocrates who speak one thing and do the other have problem with pub culture.Pub attacks and church attacks are the handiwork of political parties to create an agenda on narrow sectarian lines to polarise the vote bank and come to power.

  • Alva, M'lore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    I really don't understand why people are creating awareness when not required. All those who go to the pubs are alive and aren't blind  so they know the disadvantages of pubs. Why didn't they attack the bars and wine shops rather than attacking a pub?? Please shut down all the bars and wine shops first..

  • Pais, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Mr Bharath, you seem confused in your article. Are you targetting Pub culture or consumption of alcohol. Both are different issues however interlined.. Pubs are just a dignfied version of the local toddy/arrack/wine shops, which by the way are hundreds in number compared to the handfull pubs.

  • Roy Vijay D' Silva, Cordel/Dubai

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Dear Bharath, If you try to investigate for more info perhaps these Pub owners are the descendants of their forefathers who used to run Toddy Shops & Bars. Perhaps our fathers “ Mundu” and we are wearing Trousers. “ History repeats and civilizations change” So we have to adhere to the saying “ Kalak thakka kola kattod”….. We Have to adapt to the current trend. Isn’t it… Why doesn’t the Young generation wear dhotis & Travel by bullock carts ? Why dont they walk barefeet but wear Shoes ?

  • Ivan J. Pnto, Belthangady/ KSA

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Good article.

  • Rolphy Almeida, Udupi/Bangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Mr. Bharath Shetty Kateel, Are you sure prohibition or banning pubs or liquor shops will help to bring back our Indian culture? I am 54 years old now. I was a small boy when prohibition was in effect and illicit liquor was very much available but not openly. People used to drink like thieves in one gulp and show all kinds of effects on the road. I have seen women visit such places back door for a drink. I would like to remind you that we were very much Indians then also. Cops used to wait in such places for their share (Haftha) but never stopped anyone. Now some rich Indians go to pubs to consume some quality drinks and some quality food and spend some quality time with their friends. How all of a sudden it has become a foreign culture? Go and see all these politicians private living room, you will find all expensive labels. I myself don’t drink, and don’t advocate that drinking is good, but please for heaven sake don’t force our citizens to go for illicit drinks.

  • Amin, Mangalore / Bahrain

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    To Build a PEACEFUL and RIGHTEOUS Society, the Government, NGO's, People and the Religious Centers UNITEDLY can work together on ENJOIN THE GOOD and FORBID THE EVIL in our socities where we live: FORBID THE FOLLOWING EVILS: - BAN the Pubs, Bars & Wine Shop - BAN the Drugs - BAN the immoral movies - BAN the immoral advertisements in TVs/Internet/News papers/Magazines or in any other kind of medias. - BAN sexual abuses - BAN the Alcohol except for the Medical purposes. - BAN the Cigarettes or Beedies or any othe tobacco based products. ENJOIN the following GOOD: - Teach the moral subjects in all the schools and colleges as COMPULSORY SUBJECT. -Inculcate the devine values among the people. - Teach the religious values. - Promote PEACE, HARMONY and BROTHERHOOD among all the people irrespective of caste, creed or color. all are human beings created by one God. - Arrange awareness programs like GATHERINGS or SEMINARS for all the communities together under one roof. Inculcate peace and love among all the people. - Support the people to help each other irrespective of religion, caste, creed or color. - Never support the actions which are harmful to our people and the society. - Respect the WOMEN, they are our mothers, sisters and daughters. They also play a vital role as our wives/home makers through the marriage bindings. - Help the downtrodden and the poor. - Help the sick people. - Encourge the EDUCATION among all the communities irrespective of religions. - Support the VALUE BASED POLITICS. Fix some value based requirements/conditions to the candidates those who wish to contest for MPs and MLAs or MLCs. - BAN the BRIBES in Govt. or Private Sectors. - Provide the EQUAL JUSTICE to all the communities irrespective of caste, creed or color. Let us work together for establishing a peaceful society. May God help us.

  • Abubakkar Siddik, Uppinangady / Qatar

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Well written. Thanks Mr. Bharath.

  • Rajath, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Superb article Bharath...Must be read by all Mangloreans...

  • VIJAY, MULKY, DUBAI

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    its all politics, nothing else.

  • Ronald , India

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    I thought that authors of EXCLUSIVE articles ought to enlighten the reader and not the other way about !

  • Gilbert crasta, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Nice article. Good knowledge. Take away all pubs, liquor shops, wine shops, Toddy shops, bars etc. from Karnataka. What about the existing clubs ? Don't expect the tourists to visit Mangalore. Let this revenue go to some other states. Rice and sambar is enough to stay alive. But world is like grass, cow and tiger. Nobody speak about ban on smoking ? I do not know the public opinion about cock-fight, Kambala (Buffalo race). People bet on these games like horse race in the western countres. I would like to read Rama Sena built new houses to homeless and poor people. Bajrang dal has arranged free meals to school children in village, distributed free note books, cloths to school children. May I expect these from moral police ?

  • Madhav Nayak, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    I dont understand why people like Manohar D'souza refuse to believe that the core social issue here is Pub Culture and no one is trying to distract attention from the attack. There are selfish politicians like Renuka Chaudhury to ensure that they turn this to their maximum advantage by punishing the culprits. Be rest assured. On the other hand, one should apprecaite that this incident has given the humanity an opportunity to discuss the social evil of pub culture. Who is attacking pubs alone? Bharath is talking about alchohol and drugs in general. I think people like Manohar's eyes are fixed on the incident and they cant come out of it. If we are ready for pub culture, why are the girls who were allegedly beaten up coming out to complain? Are they scared of the fact that they will be barred by society? I dont think they should unless they were carrying on prostitution... what's wrong in drinking anyway!!! Finally, lets be truthful, why do we have so many people attacking Sri Ram Sena? What if it was an outfit belonging to another religion... then people and politicians would have flocked to defend them in the name of minority!!! Sorry state of affairs!!! All I am saying is that lets leave religion out of this issue while commenting and try to solve the root cause!

  • N K Saju,

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Going to a pub is a different thing, and commiting a road accident, killing innocent pedestrians under the influence of alcohol is quite a different thing. And one doesnt need to go to a pub to drink and commit an accident. The law should act against those who are found driving under the infuence of alcohol and not against those who visit a pub. The root cause of Rapes and other crimes , is a sick mind,or may untransformed predator instincts of the stone age.It is certainly not because of the chemical called ethanol. Lets face it. It was not about alcohol. It was not because of the health concerns of the "Sri Ram sene " It was not because of the cirrhosis of lever that the victims might have had in the later part of their life. It was because of mingling of sexes, and the good time the boys and girls were having together. It was the frustration and jealousy of members of the Moral Brigade.Most of the Sri ram sene cadres are young men from lower income groups. Obviously they coud'nt afford to drink and dine in a pub or high end restaurant. Most of them perhaps never got a chance to mingle with the classic members of the opposite sex.Perhaps they never had a girl friend.their jealousy is understandable.And the Politicians exploited this weaknes of theirs to serve their selfish ends. In Khomeini's Iran,if a man is caught drunk for the third time, he is publicaly hanged. Here in India are we following our own culture of mutual acceptence and harmony of the opposites or is the Hindu brigade themself importing the foreign culture of intolerence, from the middle East.

  • Joseph, Dubai / Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    What is the difference between Pub culture and Bar visits ? What is the difference between "moral police" and "goondas" ? Has it not been said in the Bible "let the man who has not sinned cast the first stone" Culture is respecting one another irrespective of cast,creed,beliefs,status As far as culture,morality and habits issues are concerned, the primary moulding of children young or old lies with their PARENTS. If youngsters are brought up with the fear of God with good values and guidance which is universal in all religions, they will know to differentiate right from wrong and good from bad. Lets not just blame on "Pub culture" for the real embedded problems and issues.

  • Ronald Pereira, Mangalore/Dubai

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    There goes another article from the authority on Hinduism, Society & Humanity. Word Pub is bad but Bar, Wines Shop, Arrack shop etc all legal and pro-social.

  • Rahul Kumar,

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    The government should ban alcohol in the country. I don't understand why some groups of people keep saying and defending Pub Culture is good for India.

  • girish.ge, mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Good article.thanks sir

  • Manohar Dsouza, Mangalore/Bahrain

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    What exactly is currently destroying the peaceful and cultural fabric of Mangalorean society and taking us back to the dark ages? Goondaism? Lawlessness? Communalism? Fascism? Attack on our human rights? Beating up women and outraging their modesty? Or pub culture? Even though unregulated and uncontrolled pubs are a problem, it is the very least of our problems right now. It appears that this hype about pub culture is just to divert attention and justify the recent inhuman attack on women and on our fundamental human rights.

  • Antony D'Cunha, Permude, Mangalore/Muscat

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Many have succeeded without an MBA but none has succeeded without common sense. Qualification does not take us anywhere unless we educate ourselves and develop social awareness among our youth force with a view to motivate them towards positive ideas of constructing value addition and not destructing the existing infrastructure.

    According to Mahatma Gandhi "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind." Technology Savvy Teens of modern world must be made aware that “All is not Gold that glitters” with a view to resist temptations so that they are able to identify benefits and avoid evils with a view to ensure secure future. Parents have a responsibility to inculcate family values of care & share in their children to avoid regrets later.

    Be rational in using modern gadgets such as Cell Phones, Television, Internet, iPODS, mp3, mp4, etc., coupled with alcohol so that we do not get into wrong side of it and get trapped in the vices of weird world. Do not abuse dress code in the name of fashion. Respect rule of the land, place of worship, work place, etc., while choosing the attire and outfit.

  • Harishchandra, India

    Sun, Feb 01 2009

    I feel it is the lack of our self esteem making us to fall prey to each and everything what western world follows. You have hit the nail on the head Mr. Bharath Shetty. We blindly followed the model of development that west offered to us. Pubs, Casinos, Rave party, sexual freedom - all are part of it. The more green dollar you want the more of these you have to bear. The choice is yours

  • Satish Shetty, Mangalore

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Let us take good out of  last week's incident. It is impossible for me to believe that those people who attacked the place did it out of a noble cause rather than jealousy. If this was the case then why not attack the drinking culture in thousands of bars across the country? Can you answer that? How many pubs we have? 4 or 5? comparing to the plethora of bars we have at each doorstep. By banning pubs are we banning liquor itself? If rape happens under the influence of alcohol as you say above will banning pubs stop it? Why you dont ask for banning bars and banning sale of liquor itself? People have been drinking even before staple (bread/rice) was invented and they will continue to do so. When legitimate forms will be stopped it will give rise to bootlegging. Human beings have not come into this world to work and sleep. A little bit of pleasure is no harm.

  • Padmanabha Shenoy, Udupi /Dammam Saudi Arabia

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Dear Mr. Bharath, excellent, timely article. Please do write more on social issues. Thanks to Daijiworld for publishing.

  • Dawood, dubai

    Mon, Feb 02 2009

    Good Artcicle,Mr. Bharath.  What does  pub culture mean ?  Are not the Wine stores & Toddy shops around your house belong to the same family?? If you go around Mangalore on your next vacation please visit both the places and feel the difference and then conclude your statement. Pub and bar cultures have equal dangers to society if not graver.

  • melwyn, udupi/dubai

    Sun, Feb 01 2009

    Thought provoking article . Well, Mr.Shetty, while I agree with your views, modernisation(pub culture as you say) is one of the side effects of the globalisation. It brings along with it both pros and cons. Now, you can not be running behind people being a moral police in order to preserve our culture. When you say a data is documented, you need to indicate the source at the end of the article, which serves purposes for reference. Anyone could say 'it is documented.' It is true that we can not expect 'shining India'(supposedly a failed propaganda and campaign of BJP)through the pub culture. Our mentality should be not to forget the roots where we come from not to mentione our culture.

  • Rakesh D'souza, Mangalore, Dubai

    Sun, Feb 01 2009

    A nice thought from Mr.Shetty...We do agree that Pub culture is not our culture. Mean time Everyone who goes to the pub are not drug edicted...Where there are no pubs people goes to the bar and wine shops..people are smoking in the public places itself..I am sure that Govt will not put any kind of bann on Cigerate companies and liquor / beer producers as it is giving a huge rebvenue to the Govt. ..evem in ancient days people use to drink and smoke..there is no much changes happened only the style of drinking and smoking has changed....Further if Govt banns liquor people will prepar liquor in their home itself....Where we bann or restrict any thing people will become more curious about it...make it liberal automatically people will lose their interest in it and they will opt for some other...In which co0untries liquor is banned it is used more and more in those countires...where liquor is liberal people are not so...This is part of life we can not restrict anyone from it and it is not good also..

  • Susan Tellis, Dubai

    Sun, Feb 01 2009

    Good article but not appropriate to 21 century. India is the only country fight for all damn thing - religion, caste, creed, community and now culture. Can't we just follow the laws of the country and obey them. Also, why anyone should take the laws in their hand and police force is allowing it.

  • kenny jose, cochin

    Sun, Feb 01 2009

    I do`not agree with pub culture and the incident at Mangalore.Today its suprising that the same people who protested against the Miss World in Bangalore in 1996 seems to support pub culture, I find its ironical.

  • Pai, Mangalore

    Sun, Feb 01 2009

    Great article. Indian youth should be encouraged to follow good western values such as punctaulity, cleanliness, hardwork while discouraging them to follow pub/grug/dating culture. Even western societies are fighting these evils - why should we accept them, right?

  • George Cruz, Mangalore/USA

    Sun, Feb 01 2009

    Exellent article by Bharath Shetty.


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