KRPrabhu, Mangalore/Bangalore

I see so many comments in this forum against brahmins,upper caste people,castiesm etc.,when they refer the issue of made madesnan in Sri Kukke temple.
It should be clearly understood that in every religion there is beliefs on so many aspects.accordingly customs are being observed.This is not confined to Hinduism only.Made snan isuue is a local issue related to Sri Kukke temple prevelent since centuries going on peacefully hitherto without any charges and voluntarily.Then why this hull gulla now?Let the issue be discussed in public forum locally and a decesion taken locally after through discussion and concenses.Why outside people should poke their noses into the issue.Is it because only bashing against Hinduism conform a rational/modern/forward approach?Where were these forcess when diffierent parties were ruling the state?People who are giving big lectures against brahmanism/castiesim should question for themselves why in most of non brahmin marriages/auspicious occsions brahmnins are called for to perform poojas?Why in Kudroli Gokarnath Temple.Mangalore for dispensing theertha & prasad to VIP visitors outsider brahmin is being called to perform the act?Are there shortage of 'shanthis'in the temple?There are so many questions pondering like this.So people,don't jump to conclusion on made snan matter according ones thinking.Let it be solved locally.That is the best solution.

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Shridhar, Mangalore

Dear Nisha, When you say Brahmin's also do MADE SNANA pl know that they will never perform that ritual on foods eaten by Non-Brahmins.. I ask all the people who are supporting this ritual, what is their opinion on the practice of serving the food to different castes separately... Pl remember that Mr.SHIVARAM was protesting against this practice also.. The days of these casteist rituals are over.. If the priestly caste can not read these signals then we have to feel sorry for them...

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deepika, bangalore

It is true that there is no force on anyone to do madesnaana but people from civil society should not allow such a practice by fellow citizens because most of them are ignorant and are brainwashed into such ritual by the priestly class.It would be foolish to believe that priestly class would ever decide to disband such a practice because they would end up as loosers in the game of perpetual subjugation of lower castes. It is about self respect of human beings.I bet any doctor from upper castes would support any bizarre unscientific ritual done by lower castes by saying that such ritual has psycho therapeutic value and would reduce such belief as blind beliefs.Most absurd is the fact that rollover is done only on Brahmin left overs.

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Arun D, Mangalore

This time the BJP govt will come back to power with a more thumping majority in karnataka. thank u guys for opening our eyes. we clearly see the enemy

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Ganesh, mangaladevi, mangalore

only u can see in India, beating own brother.

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dr Kiran Acharya, manipal

before passing judgement, All I said was If a soul gets respite by following this ritual (which does not harm others in any way), let him do it. WHO in its definition of health has included Spiritual Health...If one individual resorts to anti depressants for tiding over a personal crisis, a believer might achieve better results by praying/ carrying acts of faith...And believer can be from any caste...issue of caste has been mixed with this by atheists! Why should these non believers ever worry about the acts of believers?
Remember: Ambrose Pare, father of modern orthopaedics once said: "I bandaged him and God healed him". Unless one has a faith in anything he does, life has no meaning...

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Dr Nischal Rao, Mnaipal/London

Well said Dr Kiran Acharya.There are many practices in various religions which one may not agree with.That does not mean,one has to go and create a stink whenever that particular ritual takes place.I am sure Dr Kran Acharya has never taken part in this ritual and will probably never take part. Fact:People of all castes undertake this ritual and some even claim benefit. Will these people who go around temples decrying rituals stop the christian faith healers who claim to cure people by mass prayers? If you don agree with it,don't do it.There is no need to create friction unecessarily.If you feel it is illegal,go to the courts.Why target only hindu temples?

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ISMAIL.K.PERINJE, PERINJE-YANBU/KSA

Dear DOC S.Kamath Mumbai,I value your latest comments @Riyaz Udupi.Having said that I am totally disappointed with your clarification.Being a DOC, we expect you to be progressive and scientific thinking.If anything goes against the conviction of your profession/law of nature you should have the courage to say as it should be.Half truth really hurts and about 'Made' bath,as you said not bonafied to comment on it, which we agree but certainly,we are expecting logical comments from you.

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Namith, Kottara. Sullia

This Shivarama in an interview before the incident said" we will take beef, mutton and chicken inside the temple premises and eat, can anyone stop it". Next day He got nice response from the public for his non veg restaurant.With due respect to all dalits I kindly request you guys not to accept this type of jokers as your leaders. I am a non Brahmin and dont believe in madesnana but I hate interference from outsiders who dont have faith in what majority of them practise

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Harsha, Sullia

Shivaram cant be next Mahathma Gandhi just because he opposes Made Snana.. its better such people work for nation's growth and not for selfish reasons...

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Harsha, Sullia

Well done by public.. I appreciate people who have beaten up that coward. Can he mind his own business? why does he act against public's interest? is that Shivaram wants to take advantage of being leader and act as if he is a god for backward classes? what are all the reasons behind it? Kill that person who acts against our beliefs. And my dear muslim and christian friends, u do not have right to write here anything against HINDUS since u are ruining entire INDIA by killing hinduism.

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Rafeez, mangalore

Here we can find who and all involved voilent, dear police pls take a right action on those criminals

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vikram, Udupi/Dubai

MY SO CALLED MINORITY FRIEND RIYAZ, THE RITUAL MADE SNANA IF ALSO FOLLOWED BY BRAHMIN'S ALSO ( FOR UR KIND INFORMATION). AND ALSO ON UDUPI SRI KRISHNA MUTT, DAILY LAKHS OF PEOPLE ARE GIVEN FREE FOOD(TASTY) AS PRASADA WHICH I THINK ONLY TEMPLES ARE DOING IT..SO DONT COMPLAIN..

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Dr S Kamath , Mumbai

riyaz, udupi/dubai I dont know why you are Jumping to Conclusions whithout any full knowledge about the Made Snana .In My Village Kadandale there is shri subramanya temple there even Brahmins do MadesnanNot necessarily Non Brahmins .I am an Hindu and I commented by Views about Hindu ritual .I think you are a Nonhindu and it is not fair to comment on a Hindu religious belief.I have always maintained if this needs to be banned Only Religious Heads like Swamijis can take a stand and order people will obey .But not by doing Hulla Gulla ,Vandalism etc .I have travelled to many Countries abroad and seen the relious faiths of many religions and I have found there is spiritual meaning attached to many of the Hindu Religious practises if practised with understanding the meaning of the same can have good transformation and at the same time if done without understanding done will have no effect .It will be like fish bathing in Ganga or Crow sitting on the University thinking that it has gained Knowledge .At the same time all Religions are same equally Good and effective in Human Transformations they needs to be practised with Understanding

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Vincy, Bangkok

The people support and comment on this article are the one who ate on these banana leaves. The one who do not support are the one with rationale approach and who do not want to rollon on these leaves.

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riyaz, udupi/dubai

I bet these trio docs are from brahmins otherwise who will support this ritual, being a brahmin they get precedenceover lower cast that they dontwant to loose and in the name of public they want to keep alive this precedency by keep such rituals alive like in our udupi mutt pankthi bhojana where they will ot allow any other hindus to sit along with them. MY QUESTION TO THIS DOC'S IF THIS RITUAL CAN CURE DISEAS OF LOWER CAST EHY DOESN"T APPLY IT FOR BRAHMINS, bcz u people know its not going to cure any diseas

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Sudharsan Shetty, Mangalore/Bangalore

Louis, Kuwait we dont need your advise in this case. You please keep away from yourself regarding this.

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Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah

Million $ Question ...no Billion $ Question to me ..how come Dr.Kamath and Dr.Kiran Acharya are supporting this inhuman act. They should have guided society.I think in this case I am more matured than Doctors.How foreigners think about India if they see rolling over pictures.

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SUNDAR KARITHOTA, HALEANGADI

ALL EDUCATED HINDU BROTHERS AND SISTERS COME FORWARD TO PROTEST THIS WRONG PRACTICE. MR.SHIVARAM
YOU HAVE TAKEN A RIGHT DECISION TO LEGALY STOP THIS WRONG PRACICE.UDUPI KRISHNA HAD BLESSED ONLY KANAKA, KATEEL SRI DURGA PARAMESHWARI HAS BLESSED KATEELA . NOT OTHERS. PEOPLE FEELING HIGHER COMMUNITY SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT GOD IS NOT COMMUNAL.

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Dr S Kamath , Mumbai

in Goa Konkani there is a Kahavat .Gharache Gut Sangunaka Chowganche Uttar Modunaka.When the whole bunch of Devotees of Shri Subramanya Temple want this Made Snana why this Shivaramu went there to protest ? for the information of Jaimini,Manipal both Sri Rajaram Mohan Roy,Dayanand Saraswati were firm Believers of God they opposed Sati Sysytem and Bal Vivaha beacuse they were Blind Beliefs without any spiritual essence .Where as in Arya Samajs even now they follow all ritualistic practises .In Mumbai Arya Vidya mandirs are very popular where in they teach a little of spiritual ideals as well .

Made Snana is not a blind belief there is some spiritual essence in it any way it is not compulsory for anybody .But in case it needs to be stopped there is a method that is through Religious heads like Swamijis who can change it if the need arises not by going to the spot any making hulla gulla

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Vijay, Bangalore

What a inhuman act. Shame on people who assaulted the protestor.

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Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah

Once again I say that Made Snana is a height of stupidity. Followers of Made Snana are not only insulting self respect but also food.Very shocking news is that highly educated Dr.Kiran Acharya is supporting Made Snana.Doctor should have treated patients.But in this case Doctor himself became patient.At the same time I strongly oppose Mr.Joe D'souza comments which is very dangerous one.Soul of Sri Rajaram Mohan Roy,Dayanand Saraswati might be crying after seeing rolling over action.

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Louis, Kuwait

Swamijis should give their opinion in this type of cases. But they are interested more in politics, instead of religious matters. Few days before on Suverna news in Julie Laxmi's "nana Neena" program, one Hindu particepent told all BJP politicians have deposited their black money in temples, that's the safest place now like Swiss banks n they are paying interest to swamigis for protecting their black money. That's the reason all swamigis are he'll bend to protect the current BJP govt. I felt there is truth in his comments which he expressed so boldly in front of TV camera.

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Anil, mangalore

Please not that the ritual is performed by the people involving all casts, including brahmins. Dont know why media is highlighting Dalits being forced to do this.

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ganga, uppala

Boda maraya nikk e bele?

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Nisha, Mangalore

Many people believe the wrong version of media report. This tradition is not only for dalits. Even Brahmins perform made snana. And there is no force to do it on a single person. I don't know whether it is good practice or not(it is a different question). Every religion has this kind of practices(if not the same). If people(so called samaja sevakas) try to gain the popularity by protesting or going to media, this kind of situation is expected.

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Bulsam, Mangalore

The practice of Dalits follow the deeply humiliating tradition called 'Madhe Snana' and roll over banana leaves on which the Brahmins have eaten their food is a disgrace to the civil society and the government should stop this sub-human practice. Pejavar Swamiji should take the initiative to stop this unscientific and humiliating sub-human practice of forced tradition on the Dalits alone. The temple should also stop the practice of differentiating between different communities while serving food which is again is the old practice of degrading the lower caste Hindus.
There is absolutely no element of birth-based discrimination or denial of opportunity for any human being in Vedic way of life. Wake-up people, we are in the 21st Century India.
Jai Hind!

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paddu, mangalore

Joe D'Souza, Mangalore , go to kukke subramany and tell this story there like shivaram.Then the people will clear your doubts nicely..

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ISMAIL.K.PERINJE, PERINJE-YANBU/KSA

I am clue less DOC Kiran Acharya Manipal....well, your argument is baseless.. Being an doc, be progressive...

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Joe D'Souza, Mangalore

Any more everything is big issue. Media loves the circus to entertain the readers.
Now there is a question to be asked to Rama Sene members. It is wrong for young men and young women to dance and have friendly togetherness inside Pubs,Parks or on beaches. It is a God given right to be attractive to opposite sex. But it is alright in the name of faith for Half Naked Men to roll with women on the floor. Many men were wearing lungis and rolling while women were rolling dressed in sarees.
Atleast in pubs the young people were standing,bumping and dancing but in this case people of both sex are rolling together bumping each other on the floor. What a hypocracy on part of Rama Sena members.

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rizwan, Dubai/Mangalore

Quote : " talking to media persons, Shivaramu questioned the practice of serving food in different rows based on community".

Dr. Prabhakar Bhat, the speaker in the recently held protest against communal violence bill was showing his hatredness towards minorities. Why he does not set his own home right ? Has he voiced any objection to the discrimination meted out to his own people by the section of his society. What answer has he got to this question ?

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Jossey Saldanha, Mangalore/Mapusa/Mumbai

Is the Karnataka POLICE wearing BANGLES?

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Dev, Mangalore, India

What Shivaramu did was appreciable,in this era people should stop those beleif's which was set by some people for keeping the people suppressed for ages.Also the practice of serving the food in different rows based on community should be stopped,this has to be banned by the supreme court & so called educated people who always defend the caste based differences being shown in the temple's & religious places of hindus must come forward to abolish them voluteerly,no point in raising voices about conversion by other religions,unless we raise to the occassion & bring all the hindu brothers & systers together!!!!

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Sachidanand Shetty, Mundkur/Dubai

Why this K S Shivaramu, president of Karnataka State Backward Classes Awareness Forum dragging the issue even though general public never forced to do “Made Snana”? Every citizen has their own freedom to perform their religion according to their belief and tradition. Who he is to stop People performing their religious belief? I doubt ethics of this Person. As far as there is no Human or Animal sacrifice let the People perform their religious ceremony without any interference from any Forum or other Religion

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Dinesh Poojary, Kundapura/Bengaluru

Too much advice is injurious to health. That is why Shivaramu was beaten up. The devotees are not harming anyone or themselves. It is up to them. No one can force them to stop.

These kind of rituals can only be stopped by educating people. Imposing sudden ban on it effects people's sentiments.

I saw the incident in SUVARNA TV, he was chased like a dog and beaten by a large group of people. Looks like devotees were seriously hurt by his statements.

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Dr Kiran Acharya, Manipal

Compared to the verbal assault of these so called representatives of backward class, physical assault is negligible. Though any sort of physical assault is condemnable, They are paying the price for their verbal assaults on the believers.

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