shailu, kolkatta

Christians and Muslims should learn from other minorities like Sikh,Jains, Parsis, Buddhist, they preach non violence, work hard, do not convert, contribute to nation building and security and are not anti nationals, they do charity for humanity, but do not beg for govt aid for their community. it is a shame tat people have to travel so far in search of their gods? What about the thousands of church and Mosques built here you mean to say there is no god there. Learn to respect your country and countrymen each citizen however poor he may be is paying for Haj and other religious subsidy

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neil sequeira, URWA

nice ONE FRIEND, the humbugs of political parties are encouraging our weakling religious leaders to unnecessary compare and beg like spineless gutless morons. The ones who should get aid is the priests in siliguri district of West Bengal and such backward areas. The Bishop is just business of sheep mongering, well he has enough donations received from various sources to help the community and its widespread mission. because i have seen the priest in siliguri in a average condition.

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Savitha Pinto, Udupi

Happy to see that most of the sensible Christians supported this move of demanding Ministry of Tourism to give concession in air ticket.This demand helps improve tourism in many ways as many common people can visit Holy Land.
Visiting Holy Land is their personal wish. Nobody can stop it whether he can afford or he cannot afford that is none of others business to indulge in it.
Minority Department in the govt has given a lot of help to Christians in the field of education.The churches have been given financial aid for repairs and construction of community halls etc etc. We are all aware of it. Muslims are going to Huj pilgrimage for the past many years. All of you are also aware of it. So I hope The Ministry of Tourism may be given Concession to this pilgrimage. This will help many to see the Holy Land. Our elected leader like J.R. Lobo, Moidhin Bava should help to fulfill this request.

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Karthik Karkera, Mangalore

Happy to see that most of the christians themselves have opposed this, JR Lobo should stop pandering to all these demands and focus on developing Mangalore, already a lot of rift has been created between Hindus and Muslims due to Haj subsidies, Shaadi bhagya etc.

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KRIPA SAGAR, UDUPI

Dear Ash/uae, At last some have nearing the Goal Post but still many are circling in the middle point only. I think the idea of demand is nothing but concession in the ticket fare as you have touched it rightly. Is it wrong, unfair or looking as if one is begging demanding concession? Asking for concession through Tourism ministry is our right. When Muslims are claiming,we have to claim as Christian Minority. So many rich people I beleive have commented in this forum, about begging from the govt, some have preached about Jesus, my dear fellow christians you are crucifying the common man from availing benefits from the Ministry of Tourism i.e.,Concession in the air ticket. That is what the church leaders requested the concerned persons to avail this benefit for the common man(not for you so called rich) in the christian community. I am a common man and I wish to go to the HolyLand Tour to visit the place my Jesus lived and died. That is my interest. If govt gives concession in the air ticket it will be easy for me to go as a a pilgrim. So this benefit or subsidy is only for the common man. Let us hope to get it in the near future. Hope for the best!

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Philips, Kollam

It's shame for entire Christians in India. We are going like many other minority community for cheap stuff. Give education and healthcare to keep the dignity of the community.

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James, Mlore/ Blore

Christians who oppose this are those well off and don't need it. Hypocrites. What about the poor or those who find it way too expensive?

When Muslims & Hindus have such schemes(Jaj, Temples in Kashmir, Pak etc) why not Xians?

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Lawrence, India

I visited the Tomb of Jesus Christ. The sign says " HE is not here" which means Christ has risen and HE is dwelling in our hearts. Why go that far just to see the tomb?

It is a booming business for travel agency and a status symbol for wealthy to visit Jerusalem.

Do they feel any different after visiting Jerusalem? I liked the Belly dance they performed for the visitors more than the Tomb.

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Kripa Sagar, Udupi

Dear bro Mohammed Ashraf, Thank you very much for your sensible comment. I appreciate it. I request D.W. not to put comments which is totally absurd. My muslim brother also clarified the matter that when they are enjoying the Huj subsidy for the past several years why cannot christians be given the opportunity from the government?

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Wafa Khan , Surathkal

I am very happy to note that Christians are also trying to avail the pilgrimage benefits from the government. My dear D.W. Christian commentators leave your disintegration comments and come together to avail the benefit. I appreciate at last a few leaders approached MLA J.R. Lobo with this demand. I hope he will help to make this possible so that holyland tour will remain memorable for many christian pilgrims like our Huj.

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shailu, kolkatta

@wafa till the time the govt decides why dont you share funds out of Haj subsidy? coz every Indian tax payer is paying for Haj subsidy but people who are NRI are looking only for free rides without deserving it. Many of my Muslim friends tell me taking subsidy for Haj is against Islam but the practice continues. Am sure if Hindus or other minorities ( though they are not so wretched) ask for subsidy RSS will be blamed for it but it is ok pseudo secularist priest and maulana to ask for subsidy based on religion ? and still shout from rooftops that they are secular?

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Leslie Lobo, Mangalore

NOT AT ALL GOOD! THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN JUSTIFY THIS REQUEST. THERE ARE ENOUGH AND MORE WORTHY CAUSES THAN GOING TO PILGRIMAGE.

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Thomas C., Mangalore/ Dubai

I read many comments from this article. Many are against taking govt. help. Dear MLA J.R. Lobo, please utilize this money to widen any one road and footpath of Mangalore city. Give your name to the road " J. R. LOBO GOLDEN ROAD "
Dear MLA Ramanath Rai - Please donate money for making "Ramanath Rai platinum road" and become model for other ministers.

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Oliver, Udupi

hmmm..sounds not a good move my brothers & sisters.

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RequiemWorld, World

We are soon going to be a joke by asking subsidies unnecessary. There are poor people who deserves cash. Also Haj Subsidy should be removed.

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RonRon, Udupi

Well done Christian Bro's. Majority of the comments posted here by Christians, are negative to ask such subsidy. Let these so called leaders of our community back off from such act. A call to Muslim Bro's, initiate action to stop this Haj subsidy

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juliana, udupi

Why we do not notice farmer suicide? Is it not the duty of we human beings to avoid such nonsense in India a democracy with equal rights to its citizens to live a peaceful life when there is money and resources unattended at many charity places?

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john pinto, mangalore/dubai

whose idea is this? in the name of holy land many people made good money. here also there are some people around. to be a real christian no need to go to holy land. HOLY LAND is there around you. help the poor feed the hungry, you will experience the holy land. muslims go to pilgrimage through their hard earned money. not by begging. guys stop begging. work hard

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Lydia Lobo, Kadri

John Pinto,

I agree with your point. If some of your relatives went on a pilgrimage in the past, they may have told you that some members accompanied them from clergy-nun groups. Do you guys think the members cold afford 60 K to 100 K ? Where did their contribution come from ? Ponder people, ponder ! Don't be ostriches !

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ash, uae

Its good thing if govt give subsidy(air ticket) to pilgrimage,
in islam there is a strict rule in haj pilgrimage that is only those who are financially capable and he should take an oath that herby he will not indulge in any sin.

Govt should be like parent and citizen should be like children,so there should not be any nondiscrimination.
if govt gives discount in air ticket for haj,they should give same to Christians also.

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Rudolf Rodrigues, Mumbai

Off late, in the guise of pilgrimage, Holy land tours have become a fashion mostly for the rich and elite and a big lobby is promoting this 'insane' culture thus enticing the gullible too that if they make such tours they will be materially and spiritually benefited Holy Land tours has become a major business area now and the organizers are raking in the moolah! Quite possible that the lobby is the brain behind such a request!

Reading the overall comments, it appears this group has made a joke of themselves by coming up with such a childish idea when there are so many burning issues around!! Jai Hind!!

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Lawrence, India

Muslims are required to visit Holy Land once in their life time, only if they can afford it. Christians are not required to visit Jerusalem. Therefore, these pilgrimage should not be subsidized by the Govt.

Government can pay for the plane fare for those who are going to Gulf countries/Israel seeking for employment. These are needy people and some day will contribute to the nation's economy by their remittances to home.

Only rich people can afford to visit Jerusalem and poor tax payers shouldn't pay for their trips. It is like "Buying a drink for the bootlegger"

Tomorrow, some other groups may ask a subsidized trip to Moon/Mars

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Venku Panamburu, Mangalore

Lobo Mamu, I want to go pilgrimage to 'Mount Kailash' in China. Can you request the Govt to give me subsidy? I voted you in next election.

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Kripa Sagar, Udupi

First of all, I believe the title of this news item i.e." Christians SEEK FINANCIAL AID FROM GOVT for holy land pilgrimage" created little harsh sound of misunderstanding among so called christians. Here nobody is seeking aid. For example.Gas subsidy. All needs govt subsidised cylinders only, even if they can afford to pay full.Nobody is paying full payment to the gas cylinder, why, because there is subsidy. Likewise, Muslims as minorities are awailing govt pilgrimage subsidy for many years. So far nobody has commented about this. Christians are the second biggest minority community according to the latest census have not demanded so far and they are also eligible for the subsidy for the pilgimage like huj subsidy to Muslims. Christians are not seeking aid from the govt but they are trying to awail the benefits which muslims are enjoying for many years as the major minority community in India. In this respect the move is acceptable and should be recognised by the govt. I agree the demand is moved in the right time with the right person.

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Mohammed Ashraf, Jokatte

Dear Kripa Sagar, I fully agree with your comment on the subject of "subsidy to pilgrimage to Holy land" which has not so far attracted the christian community to govt but at last some good people who thought about this to help the community availing this type of subsidy like our Huj Subsidy which is praise worthy. I sadly observed many comments which is not sensible by Christian commentators. The Central Govt Reserved Fund is used only for Muslims HUJ pilgrimage.Now it can be used for Christians provided the govt gives green signal to this appeal. I fully support this demand to be given green signal so that some poor christian also visit the holy place as we Muslims do it visiting Mecca. The negative comments are quite ridiculous where I found sense of disintegration between Christian brotherhood!

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Christopher Roshan Lobo, Kulshekar/Bahrain

Hello, this is not disintegration of Christian brotherhood but it is a right thinking in modern world. After all need of the hour is to utilise the money for poor people. Most of the commentators believe in religion of humanity. All these practices have resulted from vote bank politics from previous governments. Time to stop all subsidies and reservations based on religion and caste.

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Don, Mangalore

If India is a secular country, and we all enjoy being treated as equal citizens, then why do we ask the government for money to go on pilgrimages.

Perhaps, they got the idea of subsidy because there is a community that is getting subsidy for going on pilgrimages.

The best use of money would be if the government built schools and hospitals to serve the poorest of the poor, and those living below the poverty line.

Teach people how to fish, DO NOT give out free fish.

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lawrence , mangalore

Insted of asking money for going to holyland ,, better ask for the education of poor children and for the treatment of sick people and needy people , our churches have lot of money ,so better we see our lord in them , wat you say my brothers ,,,

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A. S. Mathew, U.S.A.

The first century Churches and the 21st century Churches are entirely different.

The Bishop of Jerusalem, Apostle James who wrote the first book of the New Testament states very clearly, what is religion?
"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world" James 1:27.

A true sacrament is not a mere creed, or ordinance, of form, but it is a life of service to God and humanity. The most eloquent-deeper and committed prayer is the prayer through hands that heal and bless.
The most highest form of worship is the worship of unselfish Christian service. The greatest form of praise is the sound of consecrated feet seeking out of the lost and helpless.

In Christ's time, we could see a special breed of people called Pharisees who majored on the show but minored on service. As Christians, we need fewer words and more charitable works less palaver and more pity less repetition of creed and more compassion.

How we can rate the Church world today? The Church world will very easily beat the business corporations of the world.

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Arthur Ronald D'souza, Abu Dhabi / Belmanb

Why should I and fellow citizens have to pay taxes for your pilgrimage. Wheither your Christian or Muslim. government should stop practice paying for the pilgrimage.

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Francis X V Passanha, Manipal

Who authorised these persons to seek aid from the Government to visit the Holy Land? Was there any discussion in the parishes in this matter. Is there any obligation to visit the Holy Land? Why should you seek aid to visit the Lord's place. If you want to visit pay from your pocket. You don't have to go Holy Land to seek the Lord. If you want to seek aid from the Government, get it for the weaker and poorer sections of your society. Fight for them. For God's sake do not lower the prestige of the Christian Community by seeking aid for visit to the Holy Land.Your conviction and faith in the Lord, will help you garner the necessary resources to visit the Holy Land, rather than begging for crumbs from the Government.The Lord will be pleased with you,if your serve the cause of your neighbour and the downtrodden.The clergy would well, to guide and enlighten their parishioners to avail of benefits, under various schemes of the Government, which the parishioners are woefully unaware of. Strong words, but that's how I feel about it.

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Anna, beluvai

Thank You Francis!Rightly said.

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Stephen Pinto , Kadri/Bendur

Thank you Francis,...
I fully support your stand.

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A. S. Mathew, U.S.A.

If a democratic country is not keeping strict separation of religion and State, they would be trapped with many problems.

The fundamental liberty of every citizen of the country to practice and propagate their religion through love and peaceful means must be protected. The politicians have full freedom of assembly and propagating their political ideology, but the religious freedom is systematically prohibited by certain States in India, which was signed by the President and that is great violation of the fundamental freedom and human rights.

The Government must help the economically down trodden people of all religions and no religion but undertaking the expenses of their religious pilgrimage, whatever religious followers it may be, must be totally taken away.

Let the rich people of the respective religions or the religious body may undertake the pilgrimage expenditure.

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Christopher Roshan Lobo, Kulshekar/Bahrain

WTF!!!!! Stop religion politics in India....

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SUHAN, Mangalore

Subsidy should not be politicized. Any one who is visiting abroad should go on his own cost. The authorities and government should arrange only for their safety and travel arrangements. I am not sure even the Haj subsidy is going to the right person who is financially poor, whereas Islam says one should undertake pilgrimage to mekka if he is financially OK, otherwise it is not compulsory for poor people.

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robert rosario, aikala

Here is a absurd crap that the so called leaders of Christian community seek subsidies for their so called holy visits similar to haj. Christian community in India is the one which has maximum commercial land in every city. Turnover of the church is equal to navy budget. And our self declared leaders seek subsidies from government!! Actually they should have offered help to the government for the upliftment of weaker sections which have no resources like we have!! But alas, the clergy after swindling all cream promoting such mentally is really sickening. I condemn this attitude and call upon all those behind this to grow up and do something for nation building.
JAI HIND.

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Christopher Roshan Lobo, Kulshekar/Bahrain

I heard moolageni received by churches from land sale is more than enough to cater such needs. We all know the land value these days and the exorbitant moolageni gains by the churches.....

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HARRY DSOUZA, KODAGU / UK

Holyland Bhagya!

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Stany Dsouza, Shanthigudde, Shirva

We, Christians must read this article:

An Article By Sudhir Pai ( Author - Think Like A Winner )

Parsis are just 0.1% of India’s total population. They never asked for minority status. They never asked for reservations. They never fought with Indian Government. They never threw stones & damaged public or private property. They never ever where biased towards religion. They never restricted what to eat and what not to eat. They never where intolerant and insensitive to the feelings of others. They never where treating women disrespectfully in their homes and outside. They never hoarded money only to themselves. They showed every citizen of this country what is to be a true Indian. They contributed to the progress of India with a social cause. The proof is the compensation for the victims given in the 9/11 case ... They gave us best ... Mr JRD Tata, Mr. Ratan Tata ... Mr. Adi Godrej ... Mr. Cyrus Mistry ... Mr. Homi Bhabha ... Mr. Cyrus Bharucha ...Ms. Bachi Karkaria... Mr. Busybee... Mr. Keki Mistry... Mr. Mehraboon Irani... Each one of us Indians must love & respect Parsis ... They are best gift by Almighty to India. I wish we had more of the Parsis who could teach Indians, what minority means.

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Shankar, Mangalore

The news itself made me laugh. The third photo is fantastic. Excellent timing!!

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christine, manglore

who have interest to travel to see the places, If have finance, they can go their own, why they has to beg, God don’t want to beg anyone to see him or lands, and he is not waiting there for them to see him
our good deeds,helping hand for needy like mother Theresa that pleases God. Lands,posters,statues,buildings cannot save us. Only God through Jesus,
Salvation is more important than visiting the place. No one get salvation or going to Heaven visiting the land, but following his word, accepting Jesus as Lord and savior only can save us. living according his word, following his commandments make us perfect relationship with God than we can experience his presence in our daily life.
He is not waiting in any land, or buildings he is spirit he is everywhere.read the word and try to understand the truth.
Word said isaih 66 1
Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: psalm139 7-12,where is the house that ye build unto me? and where isthe place of my rest?
Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea
Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me even the night shall be light about me.
May god enlighten our heart give us the real understanding, knowledge and wisdom through Holy spirit about his word. God bless you.

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Vishal D Souza, Mangalore

Parliament should pass 'Uniform Civil Code' law which will end most of the problems in this country.
Congress has created endless problems for this country by deviding people which is the result of above news. All citizens should be equal & benefits should be given to those who are economically backward not based on Religion, Caste.

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aivlis, Mangalore

So surprising. So many people criticizing Christian communities move. Do you all think this wiĺl be granted so easily? Even if it is granted let some people who could not afford to go to the Holy Land benefit. If other minority community is benefitting such a privilege why not us? Atleast the tax payers money is spent in a better way.

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Nancy, Belman

I am soooooo happy to read comments that many of the Christians are against of financial aid.

Whoever ask and beg shame on them.

If possible go on your own fund. You will get peace and satisfaction and not by begging..

Oopppppsss!!!

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Donald, Mangalore

Zeitgeist...
Just because in your occult people dont go on pilgrimages doesn't mean others cant too ...

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Mangalurian, Mangaluru

Jesus' path to heaven is embodied in the following two instructions:

(1) Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

(2) You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

In the religion that Jesus taught, there is no concept of any pilgrimage. One goes to heaven (if there is one) by following the above instructions. Christian pilgrimage was invented by people who had their tummy full, and wanted to explore places.

The Government does not just print money to hand over to the pilgrimages. It collects taxes first. So, if anyone shamelessly asks for handouts for any pilgrimages, they must pay some tax first. This means that the non-tax paying priests and nuns (who will queue first for any freebies) should not get any tax-payer funded benefits at all.

I hope Mr Lobo throws this memorandum into the first rubbish bin he finds.

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Sunil Dsouza,

Govt should utilize the money to help farmers,poor and downtrodden . Request Christians not to burden the govt . with these kind of requests irrespective of the party ruling at the Center . Hope Good sense will prevail

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apoline, Karnataka

99.99 percent readers including Christians,and of course including me are against this move.

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Gretta D Silva, Mangalore/Bangalore

I don't support division on community lines since we all belong to a country.
But i agree there should be separate group for Christian Minorities. At present We in Minorities group, but no one knows which Christian benefitted from this. So i request the Government to separate the Minorities group for Christians. I don't support Pilgrimage aid. Kindly do this soon to benefit the Christians.

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shailu, kolkatta

@ Greeta , just a gentle reminder hindus are also minority in Kashmir (in fact they are refugees in their own land ) and North East have you spared a thought on their plight and rights. Do you still believe in the sermon of love thy neighbour or the saying that Haj is not kubool if your neighbour is deprived.

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Gangaram, Moodabidri

I dont find anything wrong in this, where as govts giving subsidy for Haj pilgrims why not Christians also and Hindus also should demand the same or take out all aid from everyone. so no discrimination

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Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

Dear Gangaram, Moodabidri,

To be fair enough when the government gives subsidies to Hajj Pilgrimage.

Why not the Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Jains and sikhs be offered the same privilege:

Which is called subsidy.
That is as fair as Equality.
To all brothers and sisters in Fraternity.

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Ahmed, Shabeer

Very interesting to see more comments and discussion from DW reader on this subject. Religious pilgrimage subsidy should stop to all community the only gain from this is lawmakers if people look in-depth or study of haj subsidy people will understand the govt's role and the amount issued in the name of subsidy. it should be banned.

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Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

Lydia Lobo,
I firmly believe "One good deed is worth hundreds of visits to Holy Land"

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Lydia Lobo, Kadri

Why me Jossy ? Do you see me among those who went to give the memorandum ??

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Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

You guys wanted me to elaborate ...

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Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

Lydia, You and Guru had some observations ...

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Dr Mohan Prabhu, QC, mangalore/ottawa

What nonsense! This is pure jealousy. Hope the Hon. Lobo sees through this submission and ignore it, as he is put in an awkward position, being a Christian. Would Christians dare to submit such a memorandum if Lobo were not a Christian? These so-called leaders are confusing visit to the Holy Land as an obligation. There is no obligation, but pure sightseeing and galavanting, with a few visits to holy places sprinkled in the itinerary. It is unlike the Haj which is obligatory to those who can afford the pilgrimage those who can't, are not compelled by an obligation - just a life's ultimate "wish" so that they too can add the title "Haji". When I resided in a Muslim country, some have double and triple "Haji" titles, signifying the number of times they visited their Holy Land.

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R. Fernandes, Mangalore

This bunch of jokers no other work and gone to spoil Mr. J.R. Lobo's name. In the name of pilgrimage wants free picnic to Israel and Egypt. I know many who have gone to Holy Land from Gulf or those who have excess money spend, not changed a bit in their life. I am surprised to see two priests also joined these to ask for silly favour. Being a Catholic I feel shame for this move.

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R.Fernandes, Mangalore

Correction : excess money to spend

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Rudolf Rodrigues, Mangalore/Mumbai

When there are so many poor, poverty stricken people, those requiring money for medicine etc. asking for Govt. aid for touring foreign lands in the guise of Holy Land tours looks outrageous and insult to humanity!! Those who can afford go to as may Holy Land tours if they think that by doing this tour they will get reservation in heaven!! The money sanctioned, if any, should be used for the upliftment of the poor and downtrodden and help those in dire straits!! Whoever gave this idea to these gentlemen, may be they want equal rights as their brethren from the other minority community!!

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Kiran , Mangalore/Bangalore

Provide all the benefits to Christians from the Minority fund or else Create separate Minority group exclusively for Christians. At present we are in the Minorities group but we don't get any Government benefits, some others utilising our funds too. So please separate Christians from Minority group & create "Christian Minority" group for the benefit of Christians.
Don't consider us as vote bank & for granted. Christian Leaders wake up to the call.

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prashanth kumar, padubidri

God is everywhere! why waste tax payers money??? travel benefits should be stopped for haj also.. today chrisians seek financial aid and tomorrow Hindus, governments are there to fulfill the common mens basic requirements like power, water, roads etc, not to give freebies and send anyone on pilgrim tour,

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Alwyn, Mlore

funny........
guys work hard and take leisure holidays. please don't beg, i feel ashamed..

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CHRIS, DUBAI

ministers and politicians should first stop donating millions to temples everywhere from tax payers money like Yeddy and his kind ,if that is stopped then others will not come forward like this ...

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Flavian, Mangaluru/Kuwait

Allen, Mangalore

Thankful to D.W. for raising issues through their media for the helpless people who were/are in need of financial help due to sickness or any other ailments. God bless D.W.

And as you have commented most of us would say go to Hell.

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Flavian, Mangaluru/Kuwait

If the Muslims get financial aid from government for their Haj pilgrimages, why cannot be Christians?
The commentators in D.W. are not the people to discourage or decide in favor the memorandum. There may be some people who believe in pilgrimage but cannot afford to bear the expenses.
Those who want to make use of the funds for the purpose let them avail such financial help and those who are rich can go on their own expense.

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Allen, Mangaluru

I don't think Christians need any financial help to visit any Holy places from the Govt. If the above representatives needs any help they can approach DW so that readers may do the needful!

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John Tauro, M'luru / Kwt

In the first place, pilgrimage is not an obligation for a Christian. It is not a precondition to attain salvation. On the contrary glorifying a particular land or a place as holy and adoring it is also a form of idolatry according to the Holy Scriptures.

Secondly if anybody wishes to travel to the so called holy lands, he do may do so without seeking any governmental assistance.

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JS, Mlore

It was expected. Their demand is justified. Afterall they are also minorities. Not only this they should also get shaadi bhagya benefits. If Muslims can get benefits, why not Christians, daliths?

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Mahendra Shetty, Mumbai Mangalore

NOW NIDDERAMAYYA WILL START THE NEW BHAGYA CALLED 'HOLY LAND BHAGYA'.....

NOW YOU SEE THE EFFECT OF FOREIGN FUND BLOCKING TO SO CALLED NGO'S?

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Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

Dear Mahendra Shetty, Mumbai Mangalore,

We will manage from the Feku's 15 Lakhs in the devalued Indian Currency and we don't want from the Loota huva Gold and from the Black Money.

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vinayak prabhu, mangalore

Shame on these people..Chruch has enough money to finance followers if they wish..Why waste our money?

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CHRIS, DUBAI

I hope you will say the same if in future people come asking for subsidies to go on Vaishnodevi and Amanrnath yatra .

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Rebecca D'Souza, Mangalore

Why Christians groups have to approach Government for aid to go to Holy Land.

I don't like this idea at all.

If anyone has the desire to go to Holy Land, Jesus himself will show the way and make it possible.

Everything happens according to the Will of Jesus. Do we need aid from government.

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mohan, mangalore

Right. christians also should get government aid for visit holy places as other religions are getting, and all christian's must support this.
I saw above many comments some christian's are not supportive their own religion.that's why christian's are not growing economically, politically,and other areas. There is no proper unity in christian's.

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Wilfred Fernandes, Vamadapadavu/Dubai

There are many christians like me have not authorized anyone to seek financial aid from the Government for pilgrimage to holy Land. I was taught and also firmly believe that where there are Two or more people pray to God, God will be amongst them.

Let the Government use that money on the upliftment of the poor.

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R.Bhandarkar, Mangaluru

Now if Lobaam gives in...Next some
on the trip will come for...
'Praise The Lord' Caps and
'Jesus- Here I Come' T-Shirts...
'Good Shepherd' Pants and what not...Is it not?

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WILSON, Yekkar /Dubai

Those who are not visited their neighbors house which is free of cost and thinking to visit Holy Land by others aid . Not acceptable at all .

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Aubb, Kuwait

As a Christian,
I can say that many take a trip to "Holy Land" as a matter of prestige.

Those who can afford may do so at their own discretion, as it is not compulsory for any Christians to do so.

Let govt. ban funding for all religious pilgrimages and utilize same funds for providing water to the people dying of thirst all over K'taka.

Jai Hind..!!

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Thomas, mlr

what Christians??? there is only representative from Catholics and CSI... there are lot of others who call them self Christians!!

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R.Bhandarkar, Mangaluru

I think these leaders simply brought Lobaam in the'Middle'!
They should have sought help from Jesus direct without any intermediaries....
God responds direct...No brokers please.
Do not put Lobaam in a dilemma please

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Lydia Lobo, Kadri

Bandhu Maam,

If that was possible, is pilgrimage necessary at all ?

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R.Bhandarkar, Mangaluru

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
You have a point...Madam....
They have to be enlightened first before sending others on a free pilgrimage to see God there!

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Prem, mangalore

Dear J R Lobo, M P Noranha...

Please do not let us down. We dont want any aid to go to any holy land.

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Charles D'Mello, Pangala

Why Christians has to get government aid to visit holy land...??? Fist of all nobody shall get government aid to visit holy places. If one can afford such visits let them go.

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Mohammed, Bajpe/Riyadh

Vote bank politics. its very obvious. Even Owaisi has asked to stop Huj subsidy and utlize the funds for education. What do we see here?

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vincent rodrigues, katapadi/b'lore

Christians too diseve because other minorities like Muslims are getting it

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Richard, Shirva/Sharjah

these christian groups (who seek financial aid) are trying to close Congress a/c in the state forever!! most of the Christians are well to do people, fathers sisters brothers are getting lot of foreign aid..so why this sudden plan...whether foreign countries stopped aid?, or these community wants to kill congress party?, whether Hindus are getting any sort of aid for pilgrimage to Holy Land?

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Joy, Dubai

Richard, Shirva/Sharjah

as you said,Christians are well to do people, fathers sisters brothers are getting lot of foreign aid..so why this sudden plan...whether foreign countries stopped aid?,

can you tell me which are those countries??? if you change you name as Christian it wont help you because you vomit venom which some people do here on DW.

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Richard, Shirva/Sharjah

@Joy, Dubai...one should be least honest to the fact(missionaries funds)..and here 90% christian too are not in favor for aid and being a true citizen we should be fair in utilising tax/temple money, if then, are you not feeling hindu are right to claim the same opportunity??!!

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Thomas, mlr

there is a tea shop owner from kerala who has traveled 16 countries without any aid from government.. if he can do it we can.. y should Indian govt pay for our foreign trip!! where is all the money earned from church institutions and assets going use it... if you cant then handover it to the govt then demand...

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Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur, Mangalore

God is everywhere irrespective of TIME, SPACE AND PLACE.

He can sit in a corner or sit in a middle or by the side or he can hide and seek He is God of gods. King of kings. Lord of lords.

Almighty He is and not limited.

When God is everywhere what is the necessity to go to pilgrimage.

The subsidies whatever offered will entice and make temptations to humans.


A person from his own diligent work with hard earned money and visits holy places then there is value, satisfaction and God will shower His abundant blessings upon him who has worked hard to visit His holy place.

However what a Holy place on earth can be to the Holiest of the Holy God will reside here on this earth.

Therefore, It is our temple which is me and you when we live righteously and lawfully God will reside in our heart and convicts us right path and right ways to move here on earth in humanity.

SUBSIDIES ARE SATAN'S EVIL DESIGNS.

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John, Malpe

Please stop this nonsense..

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peter lewis, Brahmavar/Sharjah

Jesus told "Love your neighbour" not told to use public money and go for pilgrim. Shame on those who claiming.

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R.Bhandarkar, Mangaluru

This 'Love Your Neighbor' saying also now people are misinterpreting, twisting and using it to their advantage!....
Jesus is indeed smiling...
No use! Everything has crossed the limits...

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Hubert D'souza, Mangalore Dubai

Visiting The Holy Land Is Belongs Their Capacity Without Asking Aid.

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R.Bhandarkar, Mangaluru

Lobaam is in a fix.
He knows that this is wrong.
However, he is the chairman of legislative committee on the welfare of backward classes and minorities. He has a role to play!

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Rudolf, Mangalore

I am not surprised if a politician like Lobo does this, but surprised to see christian priests and fathers asking such thing from the government funds against their self conscious.So how are we different from others then!

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Bryan, Bahrain

My beloved Christian leaders, When the money is sanctioned, please see that my name is added to the list of free travel...

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Zeitgeist, Mangalore

Govt must stay out of funding for its citizens to go pilgrimage. This country is suppose to be a secular country.

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Donald, Mangalore

Will you also say the same if it was a pilgrimage to see the great flying elephant ??

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Zeitgeist, Mangalore

Donald,

Yes i would say the same. Dont you think that govt giving financial aid goes against it being a secular country.

And what hypocrisy are you taking about?

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Donald, Mangalore

Oh i get it now ,the great flying elephant does not like solicitors ....

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Donald, Mangalore

Why this hypocrisy Zeitgeist

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Arthur,Hassan, Hassan

The so called leaders should be ashamed to seek such kind of benefits. Why you need taxpayers money to go to holy land.For that matter all travel subsidies linked to the religion need to be stopped for all community

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Viju, Mangalore - mumbai

lol......................enjoy.

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R.Bhandarkar, Mangaluru

Tirupathi Thimappa is flush with funds.
Nobody knows how exactly 'HIS' funds are used.
Even if HE personally comes to survey there are every chances of the TTD authorities shooing him away.....
Same with JESUS. They did not allow him to live and KILLED him. Now more than half the world are his followers and a few are 'CASHING' on him!!
If we ponder and see ..we will see...clearly at that....Just do it once...SEE...!

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John R Lobo, Kaikamba / Dubai

Do agree....2000 years back Jews without knowing him crucified...

Later millions of Christians, irrespective of denomination, Crucified him for their selfish interest....He saw human wickedness and sweated blood in garden of Getsemony

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gm, mlur

If we do good that is Holy and bad is unholy.

God is everywhere so i don't think someone has to visit the holy places to see god.

One way their demand also correct, need some kind of help and security from the gov't.

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The Guru, Mangalore

Muzrai department in which government earns crores of rupees through temples are now governed by Muslims and Christians...

I wondered what was the reason and the reason is not out in open..

Hindus sees god in everyone and hence even if government gives the subsidy or money for pilgrimage I as a HINDU will appreciate it..

Note: Seculars next time don't tell Yeddy/Cheddi donated crores of Money to temples

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gm, mlur

simple thing don't donate anything to temple. God doesn't need money.

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The Guru, Mangalore

gm, mlur

There is something called as Faith which is above and beyond your thinking... so people who are donating its purely because of faith.. Use the donated money for the betterment of the society rather then wasting it in some bhagyas

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gm, mlur

Faith agreed, after donating god will not eat your money. Once you donated then don't think about it. If you have some regrets after donating then sure it is not a faith or good cause. God will see then......

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The Guru, Mangalore

gm, mlur

If that is the case then stop begging infront of the government for minority subsidy and reservation and bhagyas in the name of religion

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gm, mlur

For your information, nobody is begging here, everyone is paying the tax, so they have the right too. If you know the money only coming from the temple then you people should stop to giving temples, anyway it is going somewhere.

But i don't recommend this move, no need to go to pilgrimage to see god.

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rajesh, mangalore

God does not need your prayers either. No point in glorifying him right?

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M.Bhat, Dubai

Statement of Temple Collections & Utilization 1997-2002. (Data received from the Revenue section of Tourism & Temples, Govt of Karnataka, excerpts from an article by Anjali Patel dated 29/10/2003 (Figures in Crores.)

Temple revenue 72 crores.
Spent for temple maintenance 10 crore ( Including Govt appointed trusties and Archak salary)
Madarasa na Hajj Subsidy 52 crores
for church development 10 crore

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Thomas, Mangalore

Except Brahmins and GSBs all are enjoying one or the other benefit from the government.I dont think this would work out on long term basis.

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CHRIS, DUBAI

There is no compulsion for us Christians to visit Israel, its not mentioned anywhere in the scriptures to undertake pilgrimages ... When apostle St Thomas himself came here to evangelize us who go so far seeking salvation ....

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R.Bhandarkar, Mangaluru

1.Nobody must seek a free trip.
2. Least of all to a Holy Land.
3. If your belief and devotion is true the Lord will call you.
4.Does Lord reside only in the so called 'Holy' Land?
5. Is he not omnipresent?
6.For what are funds put in 'God's'
'Hundi' or 'Kanike Box' utilised?
Why are worship places now becoming 'business centres'....One needs to ponder.This is cutting across religious communities........
'He that seeketh-findeth..and to him that knockth,it shall be opened'...
One should be aware of the above message and especially so called religious leaders and organisations.

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s, Karkala

Nothing wrong in asking this benefit. Does anyone one know when did huj subsidies came into existence? I think it was during moily was cm?

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jeevan, mangalore

Shadi bhagya NOW travel bhagya.... anyway go ahead siddu

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sudarshan, ganjjimut

Rome Bhagya in the card.

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Roshan Patrao, Mangalore

For heaven's sake, don't degrade the image of Christians. Anybody desiring to visit the Holy Land should do so with his/her own funds, not with taxpayers' money. I strongly condemn this action of our so-called CHRISTIAN LEADERS. It is a shame to the Christian community to beg the government to appease a small section of people. If these 'LEADERS' want Christians to visit Holy Land, let them create a fund with their money - and that of the MLA whom they approached - and provide financial assistance to those wishing to visit Holy Land.

Last year, the same MLA became butt of jokes by requesting the CM to September 8 as holiday. We Christians are supposed to be rational.

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Francis, Dubai

'FAIR AND LOVELY' comments.

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Harish, Puttur

Government should bring profitable Church's under mujrai dept ,same as Hindu temples ,so poor needy in the society benefited.If need they can send to holy place.

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John R Lobo, Kaikamba / Dubai

I am dead against this type of subsidies....IF YOU HAVE CAPACITY VISIT.....DONE DEPEND THE MERCY OF POLITICAL PARTIES VOTE BANK

There is NO compulsion to visit to Israel and Egypt ( Holy places ) in Christianity....Right from College days ( 1982-1987 ) I was eager to visit to Holy land....I full filled my dream once I started working in Dubai I saved for my dream and visited in 1998...

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stan, dubai

Which religion or community got compulsion to visit holy places on tax payers or Government money????

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Thousif , Manglore Bolar

Right even Christians brother and sister should get travel benefits ... Even Hindus should get same benefits ..I think every religion should get benefits for gov..

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Richard, Shirva/Sharjah

One more 'bhagya' may be possible from Siddhu..people are taking undue advantage of democracy setup! where majority suffers and amenity increases for minority, what a tragedy of this nation!!..God save this country

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Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur, Mangalore

Dear Richard, Shirva/Sharjah,

Since you are a name sake christian you can utilize this. As per you say is Bhagya, utilize it.

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C. D'Souza., Kuloor

What politics ? .It is not mandatory to visit these places for Christians.

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Roshan Sequeira , Manglore Auh

Dear Christian Leaders, stop asking unreasonable aid of this kind from government. Ask for overall development of the people irrespective of religion. Ask them to improve law and order. Ask them for proper facilities in government hospitals, clean markets, assistance for students for studies etc. Please stop this kind of unwanted negative publicity to community

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Praveen, Kulshekar

Others get, so please we do also want. I don't like like this theory

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HENRY MISQUITH, Bahrain

Good, it's not a bad idea.But why should government grant aid for Holy land pilgrimage, when even this pilgrimage is not obligatory on those who can not afford.

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Shankar, Mangalore

Lourds should also be included in the list.

I extend my complete support for this demand of our Christian friends. And govt. should agree for this demand.

Meanwhile i suggest christians too, agree govt. to take over the management of Churches and other prayer centres. Govt. has already taken over Hindu temples. The money collected can go to development works.

If Pramod.Kumar@peikko.com are not taken over by govt., Hindu fanatic fools like me will always make a point to complaint that 'Money from hindu temples are collected and given as subsidy for muslim and christian pilgrimages'.

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Naveen D'souza, Mangalore

very good move.

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Flavian, Mangaluru/kuwait

Not a bad proposition.

We, (majorities/minorities)all are the citizens of India.

Lobo sir, please do something.

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jeevan, mangalore

Really i am surprised... anyway it is effect of congi appeasement policy..

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Vikas G, Udupi

:):):):). I am not saying anything and get termed communal.

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RonRon, Udupi

Bad move.... not required.
You can find God everywhere..... Government need to abolish Haj subsidy too.

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India First, India

Give subsidy to everyone or else no one...!

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Lydia Lobo, Kadri

Who has given any indication that he/she went straight to heaven because of the pilgrimage taken up ? Well, visiting places, including Holy, should be as per personal choice and capacity - both health and financial.

Please do not beg for funds just because other religions get it. Rather, insist that the funds could be used to educate and employ our youth who in turn will be able to fund their travel around the world.

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Thomas, Mangalore

Except Brahmins and GSBs all are enjoying one or the other benefit from the government.I dont think this would work out on long term basis.

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WILSON, Yekkar /Dubai

Please do not spoil christian name by demanding such favors from government. Who is financially sound and physically healthy may visit the holy land . Don't use the taxpayers money for such type of unwanted things. Even Jesus also condemned show purpose devotion. Best thing is visit & help the neighbor .

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peter, Brahmavar

Do not spoil the christian name by demanding such favors from government. Instead of this please ask for government seats in employments, studies, housing for financially backward Christian.

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Allen, Mangaluru

Very well said! That is like a TRUE Christian! It is not mentioned in the Bible to visit any Holy places. Earn your money and fulfill your requirements! If you have in excess try to help the needy!

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jeevan, mangalore

Govt should not abuse Taxpayers Money for vote bank politics / appeasing the minority community to remain in power ???

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Sujith Nayak, AUH / Kudla

Good move....

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DR MICHAEL, MANGALORE

Nayak mam, comment soma na..?

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stan, dubai

Good..... Nothing wrong in it. I am against reservation or financial aid. When people are asking reservation or financial aid for their community why not Christians?????

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Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

This is not fair ...

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Guru, Mangalore

@ Jossey,pls review your comments, how can your favourite Lobam commit such mistakes.

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Lydia Lobo, Kadri

Guru,

You are putting it all on JRL as if he advised/invited the subject representatives to submit such a plea !

Mr. Lobo is an elected representative of people - he can't refuse to accept a request.

Disregarding the base source isn't wise. You should have instead asked Jossy to elaborate on his one-liner !

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