Reality vs hype: Love Jihad under the microscope


Shreyas H S 
Daijiworld Media Network - South Kerala/ Mangalore


South Kerala/Mangalore, Sep 25: The concept of 'Love Jihad', where Muslim youth are allegedly 'trained' to lure non-Muslim girls in order to convert them and thereby expand the community, has gained much attention over the last few years, so much so that the lines between hype, propoganda and truth often seem to be blurred.

The journey inside south Kerala to unearth the true facets of Love Jihad brought to light some interesting facts, chiefly that despite all the tall claims, there is no substantial evidence to prove its existence. In fact, based on the statements of persons interviewed and observations made during the course of this enlightening journey through the pockets of Kerala, the one conclusion that seemed to be staring at us was that Love Jihad in essence is a well-crafted ‘defense mechanism-cum-polarization’ tactic to contain Hindu women, especially those involved in love affairs, from embracing Islam and thereby to protect the Hindu hegemony.

Daijiworld, in order to report a comprehensive understanding of Love Jihad and try to distinguish between truth and propaganda, moved through south Kerala visiting many of the stakeholders in the controversial issue. We travelled to various places like Kollam (in Ernakulam), Ponnani (in Malappuram), Kasargod, and Kozhikode.


Hindu Cultural Center run by the VHP at Kollam in Ernakulam


Office of the Kerala Hindu Helpline functioning at Kollam


The idea of travelling across the region to dissect the concept of Love Jihad came about from a statistics prepared by the Kerala Hindu Help Line (KHHL), which said as many as 402 incidents of Love Jihad had been reported to the helpline activists. “This is the statistical record of Love Jihad reported to our office from 14 districts of Kerala and around 390 young girls have been rescued from being converted to Islam,” said Rajeesh, a co-ordinator of the helpline who sits in the head office at Kollam in the building of the Hindu Cultural Center of VHP (Vishwa Hindu Parishad).

Rajeesh claimed, "There have been reports of about 402 Hindu girls being enticed by Muslim boys funded by Saudi Arabia from the month of January to August this year." However, he failed to produce any corroborative evidence regarding the alleged 'victims'. He contended that documentation of the cases was still underway and the end result will be available within three weeks.

"The ploy is funded internationally to convert non-Muslims to the religion as part of a larger phenomenon for the expansion of Muslim population across the world, in other words—demographic aggression. The Muslim boys are trained by radical Islamic organizations to stealthily lure Hindu and Christian girls through love and romance and to convert them to Islam. Radical groups like Popular Front of India (PFI) and Social Democratic Party of India are conspiring to influence non-Muslim women," he claimed.

“The girls thus lured, are brought to Ponnani’s Maunathul Islam Association for conversion. There are also two other conversion centers operating in Kerala—Tarbiyatul in Kozhikode and Sathya Sarani at Manjeri, which offer conversion classes to non-Muslims,” he said.

On the other hand, a visit to the Islamic conversion center of Maunathul Islam Association (MIA) located in Ponnani, a place that tops the hit list of the Sangh Parivar and the Bajrang Dal which claim that it is highly 'dangerous' even to enter the centre's premises, indicated that the conversions were legal and with full consent of the individuals involved, and arguments to the contrary were mere propaganda by the right wing outfits.

A brief talk with one of the inmates at the center for religious conversion revealed that the decision to embrace Islam is taken by Hindus and Christians mostly after they fall in love with a Muslim boy or a Muslim girl, due to the obligations in Islam and the fear of being ousted from the Muslim community after marriage.

Besides, it became evident from the place that Islam encourages conversion, but not by conspiracy branded as 'Love Jihad'. However, instances of following Islam after spiritual understanding of the religion are declining, as against acceptance of Islam for the sake of one's love interest.

A journalist, Saheed Roomy of Malappuram district, sub-editor of ‘Deshabhimani’ Malayalam newspaper, the voice of the CPI (M), observes that the complex phenomenon of Love Jihad is a propaganda by RSS and others. Producing documents procured through RTI by the police department in reply to his question on Love Jihad, he said that the investigations had found no substantial evidence of organized conspiracy to promote conversion of non-Muslim girls. The reply was given from the police headquarters situated at Thiruvananthapuram in 2012 to Roomy.


Journalist-cum-writer Saheed Roomy of Malappuram

Roomy, who has co-authored the Malayalam book ‘Njaan Qutubudin Ansari’ (I am Qutubudin Ansari), said that conservative Muslims are too sentimental about religion. He pointed out that this sentiment drives Muslim families to encourage conversion of non-Muslim men or women falling in love with anyone in their family.

Further, he stressed that this phenomenon was widely misinterpreted by the Sangh Parivar to give a communal colour to squeeze out political gains. “In my view there is no conspiracy termed as ‘Love Jihad’,” he reiterated.

 


'Victim' of Love Jihad

Daijiworld's attempts to interview some of the alleged victims of Love Jihad largely proved futile but we managed to meet a victim-turned-Hindu religious counsellor focusing on rehabilitation of Hindu girls who fall in love with Muslims and later wish to return to Hinduism. A Hindu organization Asha Vidhya Samajam (AVS), in Ernakulum district, counsels the girls from the Hindu community brought back from conversion centers by either advising the parents to file a habeas corpus in the court or by breaking a love affair midway.

Ramya (name changed), working at AVS, refused to admit that she was a victim of Love Jihad and asked that questions on Love Jihad be kept general in nature before she agreed to meet Daijiworld. (The girl was made to stay for a few days at MIA, Ponnani, until she was brought back by the activists of Hindu Aikya Vedi recently). “The lack of knowledge about Hinduism leads girls to fall in love with Muslim boys and later convert to Islam,” said Ramya.

According to Ramya, she has counseled at least 20 Hindu girls and succeeded in reverting all the girls by preaching Hinduism. “The Muslim boys are paid exorbitantly to lure the girls,” she claimed, and added that after a girl completely surrenders herself to a Muslim boy, he speaks about Islam and finally proposes the idea of converting to Islam.

The boys were trained to spot the weaknesses of non-Muslim girls to appease them and get them to fall in love, she said. "The boys give them alcohol and cigarettes as part of their tactics and many girls are often misused after conversion. Many times the girl is forced to sleep with random Muslim men and even trafficked into the flesh trade," she claimed.

When asked to provide substantial proof for her statements, she said that the workers of the Hindu helpline themselves are evidence as the activists have been conducting research all these years. She turned down the request to allow a few victims to speak to us, claiming the victims’ families wish to keep the matter secret.

"I also came across the fact that the boys use black magic on girls," said Ramya adding that she was trying to understand how black magic really works.


No Forced Conversion

The Munatul Islam Association (MIA), Ponnani, since 1900 has been organizing conversion programmes for those who willingly stay at the centre. The association then was registered under the Company Act. If any police case is registered by the parents of a girl (missing case), the organization directly hands her over to the parents. “We do not want to take up troublesome cases as it generates a heap of problems for us,” said Abdul Khader, in-charge of MIA.



Maunathul Islam Association


Mohammad Ali, Islamic teacher at Markaz Islamic Institution at Kozhikode

Recalling an old incident from Puttur (Dakshina Kannada), he cited the case of Maya Bhat that occurred 15-20 years ago. The girl was made to stay for a few days in the center but the Karnataka police continued to interrogate the people at the center even after she left the place. “We will not take up such cases now as it will damage the integrity of the association,” added Khader.

When asked about why people convert to Islam nowadays, he quipped that it was mostly due to love affairs. "The instances of people developing attraction towards the religion after understanding and reading religious scripts is on the decline," he said, admitting that love affairs guide non-Islamic men and women alike to Islam. “The center deals with each case meticulously as it stays under the surveillance of RAW, IB, and Kerala Special Police,” he added.

Officials from these three institutions visit the place once in 15 days and record statements from the operators and check the record books. He claimed confidently there were no cases of Love Jihad identified by the top intelligence agencies. “We never convert anyone forcibly or tactfully but only if they agree to convert do we facilitate them to take up Islam and handover the certificate to ascertain and authenticate the conversion,” said Khader.

All of Daijiworld’s attempts to meet the girls staying in a separate block at Ponnani were unsuccessful. Khader repeatedly insisted that that as per Islam, it was prohibited for males to visit the girls.

He said that those who decide to embrace Islam have to stay at the center for 60 days and participate in lessons on Islam.


Male Inmates of MIA Speak

“Leanings towards Islam these days is largely for the sake of marriage,” observed Mohammad Dileep who converted to Islam in 1983. He had arrived in Ponnani to collect his certificate of Islam. He was converted under the influence of his Muslim father who married a Hindu girl. He said that the numbers of those convinced to convert by reading the Quran are declining as the generation is heading towards material comforts.

Pointing fingers at the inmates, he said, “Had you quizzed them, they would not have spoken out about the reality of their stance. They prefer to keep the issue concealed.” Dileep added that many find it shameful to admit that being a man they are converting for a Muslim girl. “If a non-Muslim falls in love with a Muslim, the only solution in Islam is to convert,” he said, admitting that the community ousts a member if he or she fails to convert the lover before the marriage ceremony.

When quizzed about their reasons to convert to Islam, a few men said they were 'inspired' by male Muslim friends. "I made up my mind to convert due the environment I grew up in, where I happened to befriend only Muslims," said Mohammad Siddique (formerly known as Gopinath).


View of a Teacher of Islam


“Islam does believe in expanding its population. It does not mean the religion is converting non-Muslims forcibly,” said Mohammad Ali Saqafi (MA in Arabic, Aligarh University), an Islamic teacher, Markaz Islamic Institution, Kozhikode. “To be a Muslim, one has to strongly believe in Islam from heart,” he argued.

He insisted that there was no concept called love jihad in Islam and it was an RSS conspiracy to present Muslims in the wrong light. When asked whether some Muslims had indeed indulged in Love Jihad, just as a few Muslims have taken up terrorism confusing the preachings of the religion, he said that there was nothing of that sort going on and those who interpret Islam wrongly were not considered the followers of Islam.


Oblique Admission

An RSS loyalist from Dakshina Kannada, who does not want to be named in the report, in a chat with Daijiworld (after Daijiworld discussed the observation with him), admitted the campaign of Love Jihad could be a defense strategy to protect the community. "There may be nothing called Love Jihad or an organized conspiracy by Muslims, but they do encourage conversion," he said, adding that it is natural for any community to save itself from external danger.

  

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  • Rakesh, Ernakulam

    Tue, Oct 14 2014

    M.Sanfaras, Manager in a private company in Bangalore : “My brother Rshid (22) is a 2 student. Our father is no more. They raided my house and found nothing. My brother had no connection with any organisation. My mother and other family members came to know about his arrest only through the media.

    Mr. Kalyattu Surendhiran,the station officer of the Mayyil police station denied the allegations of the relatives of the accused. He said that it was true that arms and bomb making trainings were given to the accused. When we asked him that how such clandestine activities are possible in such a crowded place and that too in a open building without window doors he was not able to give a proper reply. When we asked him about what sort of bombs were seized from them, he said that they were giving training to make “something like bombs” and two of which were ceased by them. When we asked about other incriminating materials ceased he showed a register in which it was stated that a cd about ‘love jihad’

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  • zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Wed, Oct 01 2014

    Sam,

    I could have explained about the age of universe. but then i thought, you would not have the capacity to grasp the evidence.

    So believe what is mentioned in you book, whichever to subscribe to. Cherry pick good stuff from it and forget that doesnt match your view. Then keep on stating that what you believe is the truth, when obviously it is not.

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  • sam, world

    Thu, Oct 02 2014

    @zeitgeist, Mangalore

    "you would not have the capacity to grasp the evidence"
    Wow! I wonder why you dont question these theories, while you mock the Bible. Is that how Science works? Maybe you forgot that part in school - but you are after all a superior being while we the believers in God are "retards" isn't it?

    "Cherry pick good stuff from it and forget that doesnt match your view"
    Wow! You have not responded to my other comments - who is cherry picking?

    Even for the comment that Rohit posted, I asked you "do you have the exact age of your ancestors, how long they lived, etc.? If you don't, then may I ask (like Rohit said), do you have 13,730,000,000 years of data to prove the exact age of the Universe?"

    The disdain you show to believers in God prevents you from examining the Big Bang Theory while you resort to mocking those who believe in God.

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Wed, Oct 01 2014

    First you will have to define vice.....
    You are right Man has no right to make man promote Vice. But when
    Man finds pleasure in vice even though this pleasure is taboo to those you despise vice.
    Laws are passed to make this vice legal..taking into consideration the happiness he derives.
    Gambling joints,
    Brothels,
    Bars,
    Drug, saloons,
    Choola centers...
    Now ask those involved in letting this , if its moral, immoral, godly or ungodly.
    M.k.gandhi advocated sleeping naked with virgins to show self control.
    He could not control the vices of his son.
    Then why do you promote him ?
    Many of the quotes lis unanswered.please answer them.
    You keep asking if i have read your book
    Not worth reading something Annonymous containing myths and fairy tales of 2 diifrent deities ending up in three with many free for all in between ed in mans Brain washed head.
    Silly questions will get sill answers.
    Faith is trust in the power of the unknown without proof, if you want to live in a fools paradise so be it be happy...
    Until next time off off shore.

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  • Shankar, Bangalore

    Wed, Oct 01 2014

    There is only one thing that 3 mutually independent entities (VHP & Hindu orgs, several churches, Judicial courts) in Kerala agree upon - Love Jihad.

    Common sense tells me that since VHP & Church crib about a common problem, it cannot be just 'Hype' alone. The author wants me to think otherwise, based on half-baked witnesses.

    Nice Try & Good Luck author !!!

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Wed, Oct 01 2014

    Rohit,

    I mentioned the Evidence for big bang in a reply to Sam. Just read it.

    By the way , the exact age of Universe is 13.73 billion years and not 4 billion years.

    I don`t want to type any comments anymore simply because you seem to lack the understanding of basic principles of science.

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  • sam, world

    Wed, Oct 01 2014

    @Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Wow - you have the exact age of the Universe !!!

    Zeitgeist, do you have the exact age of your ancestors, how long they lived, etc.? If you don't, then may I ask (like Rohit said), do you have 13,730,000,000 years of data to prove the exact age of the Universe?

    The disdain you show for those who believe in God is becoming more clear because "you are superior to everbody else"

    I still have to hear responses to comments I posted to you :)

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  • Rohit,

    Wed, Oct 01 2014

    Zeitgeist,

    So you DO have 4 billion years of data to show that the Big bang actually occurred? Kindly share:)
    Eagerly waiting for your data and your critical thinking skills. Otherwise, by your own definition, you cannot be an atheist!

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  • Rohit,

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    Apoline,

    Sadly, you too have become an avid follower of 'agrees' and 'disagrees'. Tomorrow, if everyone agrees that jumping into a well is good, will you agree?

    Like most things in life, religion (or belief system) is based on a foundation. And a foundation can either be good or bad. But if a foundation has some bad points, can it be good? That is why we do not put bad apples in the same basket as good apples. For the same reason, a good relationship is based on truth and goodness, not lies and badness. Is goodness and badness based on a democratic vote?

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  • Prabhu, Lore

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    ROHIT INDIA,
    JUST READ & TRY TO UNDERSTAND
    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

    ― Epicurus
    Theory of god being almighty, omnipotent,truthfull, sinless, mercifull, gracious,ever living, cannot die, cannot Lie,not jealous etc etc are all attributes by man without any proof for or else he cannot be god.

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    "God," he says, "either wants to eliminate bad things and cannot,
    or can but does not want to,
    or neither wishes to nor can,
    or both wants to and can.
    If he wants to and cannot, then he is weak and this does not apply to god.
    If he can but does not want to, then he is spiteful which is equally foreign to god’'s nature.
    If he neither wants to nor can, he is both weak and spiteful, and so not a god.
    If he wants to and can, which is the only thing fitting for a god, where then do bad things come from? Or why does he not eliminate them?"
    Lactantius, On the Anger of God, 13.19

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  • sam, world

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    @Prabhu, Blore

    Sir, you have yet to respond to my other questions especially the quote from Baron d’Holbach where he said "If man, according to his nature ..."

    Here you are quoting Epicurus a great philosopher. Sir, can you tell me can love exist without choice or not? This might help in discussing Epicurus claims.

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  • apoline, mangalore

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    Sam, you please see the 'agrees' and 'disagrees' for your comment.

    every religion has good and bad in them.

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  • sam, world

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    @apoline, mangalore

    People are free to decide how to vote. The question for you is How much have you studied on other religions beside your own belief? Are you honestly searching the truth or are simply upset because XYZ religion has certain sayings that you do not like?

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  • Rohit,

    Tue, Sep 30 2014

    Apoline,

    Sadly, you too have become an avid follower of 'agrees' and 'disagrees'. Tomorrow, if everyone agrees that jumping into a well is good, will you agree?

    Like most things in life, religion (or belief system) is based on a foundation. And a foundation can either be good or bad. But if a foundation has some bad points, can it be good? That is why we do not put bad apples in the same basket as good apples. For the same reason, a good relationship is based on truth and goodness, not lies and badness. Is goodness and badness based on a democratic vote?

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    Sam,

    I just gave you the proof for big bang. The observation of the stars and galaxy does support it. If tommorow if someone comes with the better explanation for the observable universe then i will change my mind.

    For all of intelligent design`s claims they have not yet provided a single credible proof that can be scientifically verified. none.

    Like I said to you before I don’t want to argue with you regarding the proof for erxistance of god, simply because I am not threatened by you but you will just bring up some weak agruements for the proof of existence of god. Argueing with you is similar to agrueing with a person who believes in flat earth theory or Growing earth theory or an idiot who believes geo centric model of universe.

    I accept the fact that has provided by the general consenses of the experts in their respective fields.
    Eg: If i require some info on Universe, i refer to Astro - physicist, similarly when i want to know about evolution i refer to a book by a biologist. This is were your thinking and my thinking differs. You tend to side with the creationist and ID proponents who just make mockery of religion.

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  • sam, world

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    @Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    "If tommorow someone comes with the better explanation for the observable universe then i will change my mind."

    Cant see God - Person Believes - "retard" according to you
    Cant see Big Bang - Person Believes - critical thinker?


    "I accept the fact that has provided by the general consenses of the experts in their respective fields."
    - Atheists or rather new Atheists seem to believe that people who believe in God are divorced from Science - a fallacy. If Christians do not believe in Evolution, that does not make us 'retards'. Evolution is a theory, whose foundations are questionable and suggest man evolved from animals who evolved from ... some lower life form. Can you prove a human evolved from an amoeba? If you told this to a kindergarten student, they would tell you this is a fantasy story. The only reason why it doesn't sound foolish to the Atheist is because you put a huge number 'billions' of years to it and throw in some equations to make the theory sound credible.
    - Believing man evolved from animals leads to a different perceptive on how one lives in society verses the belief that man was created in the image of God (Biblical perspective) and how one lives in society. If you are honestly seeking the truth, you should study where these two paths lead and what they claim.
    - If you are one of those lakhs of people who are simply believing in an ideology without understanding it, then you have done a great harm to your self.

    I will pray for you. God Bless.

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  • zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    Sam,

    Nobody defends the Ontological Argument anymore, and everyone has their own refutation. It's like a fun word game. Here's one of mine:

    (1) The moment I attempt to conceive of a being that no greater can be conceived, I can then conceive of a still greater being

    (2) By (1) it follows that I can never concieve a being that no greater being can be conceived

    (3) By (2) it follows that the first premise of the Ontological Argument is internally contradictory

    To me, the sentence "concieve of a being greater than any which can be concieved" is somewhat like asking me to "concieve of a number that no greater can be concieved". The moment I concieve of such a being (or number) I can immediately concieve of a being which is greater than the being I just concieved. This makes point 1 of Ontological Argument false.

    This might be the worst arguement for a god. I like Douglas Gaskings parody of it.

    1. The creation of the world is the most marvellous achievement imaginable

    2. The Merit of an acheivement is the product of (a) its instrinsic quality, and (b) the ability of the creator.

    3. The greater the disability (or handicap) of the creator, the more impressive the achievement.

    4. The most formidable handicap for a creator would be non-existence.

    5. Therefore if we suppose that the universe is the product of a existent creator we can conceive a greater being - namely, one who created everything while not existing

    6. An existing God therefore would not be a being greater than which a greater cannot be conceived because an even more formidable and incredible creator would be a God who did not exist

    7. God does not exist :)

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  • sam, world

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    @zeitgeist, Mangalore
    "Nobody defends the Ontological Argument anymore"
    - I have yet to see you respond to my other questions :)
    - One only makes such an absurd assertion when one does not understand what the Ontological Argument is.

    While you still ponder and perhaps refuse to answer my other questions, let me reply to your Ontological Argument "fun word game".

    You said "The moment I attempt to conceive of a being that no greater can be conceived, I can then conceive of a still greater being"
    - First and foremost, explain to me what is your understanding of God and then we can proceeed.
    - I will give you a hint, can man fly? Why not?

    Your whole premise falls like a pack of cards and hence you have to turn to Douglas Gaskings for relief?

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    Sam,

    Ontological Argument is exactly a weak argument. The only reason you believe it is a reason that proves god exist is because you are deluded and desperately want to convince yourself that a god has to exist. Just read some agruments against Anselm's Ontological argument.

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  • sam, world

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    @zeitgeist, Mangalore

    "Ontological Argument is exactly a weak argument"
    - One only makes such an absurd assertion when one does not understand what the Ontological Argument is.

    I have yet to hear your responses to my other comments.

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  • zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    Sam,

    Evidence for Intelligent design:

    Universe is too complex that it must have been created by an intelligent being. Basically explanation regarding our universe for retards.



    Evidence for Big Bang:

    1. Redshift of Galaxies
    The redshift of distant galaxies means that the Universe is probably expanding. If we then go back far enough in time, everything must have been squashed together into a tiny dot. The rapid eruption from this tiny dot was the Big Bang.

    2. Microwave Background
    Very early in its history, the whole Universe was very hot. As it expanded, this heat left behind a "glow" that fills the entire Universe. The Big Bang theory not only predicts that this glow should exist, but that it should be visible as microwaves - part of the Electromagnetic Spectrum.
    This is the Cosmic Microwave Background which has been accurately measured by orbiting detectors, and is very good evidence that the Big Bang theory is correct.

    3. Mixture of Elements
    As the Universe expanded and cooled down, some of the elements that we see today were created. The Big Bang theory predicts how much of each element should have been made in the early universe, and what we see in very distant galaxies and old stars is just right.
    You cannot look in new stars, like the Sun, for this evidence, because they contain elements that were created in previous generations of stars. As such, the composition of new stars will be very different from the composition of stars that existed 7 billion years ago, shortly after the Big Bang.

    4. Looking back in time
    The main alternative to the Big Bang theory of the Universe is called the Steady State theory. In this theory, the Universe does not change very much with time.
    Remember that because light takes a long time to travel across the Universe, when we look at very distant galaxies, we are also looking back in time.
    From this we can see that galaxies a long time ago were quite different from those today, showing that the Universe has changed.

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  • sam, world

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    @zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Cant see God - Person Believes - "retard" according to you
    Cant see Big Bang - Person Believes - critical thinker?

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  • Rohit,

    Tue, Sep 30 2014

    Sam,

    You are having an interesting and good discussion with Zeitgeist and Prabhu.

    It is also very entertaining to read Zeitgeist latest reply to you. It reminds me of this:
    Tum bole to chamatkar, hum bole to balatkar.
    i.e.
    Cannot see Big bang- but I believe in big bang- I am a critical thinker
    Cannot see God- but I believe in God- I am 'retard' according to Zeitgeist.

    ps-I am still chuckling from Zeitgeist comment about 'critical thinking'.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Tue, Sep 30 2014

    Rohit,

    Now while you chuckle think this - if you think your god is true, then you must think that the other gods are false. Dont tell me now that all gods are same. they are not. Bible explicitly says to kill anyone believing in any other god.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Tue, Sep 30 2014

    Rohit,

    Clearly by the comments you have put it seems that you dont seem to understand science or how it works. Science does not tell you this is thow it happend and you have to believe it. It just provides the best explanation with evidence to support that claim.

    you laugh at Big bang and evolution, so all i want to ask you is that you provide proof. If you cant, then just go away.

    Critical thinking is essential to be atheist. Everybody does not have that in them. It requires education, and that too a good one.

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  • Rohit,

    Tue, Sep 30 2014

    Zeitgeist:
    Kindly provide proof of the evidence for Big Bang. When I say proof, it means actual data, not what you read in the newspaper or some bestseller.

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  • Ginna, Hiouston

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    Zeitgeist, Mangalore,
    Can I tell you the truth most of all educated people know this truth, however, education brings insight and it tells us instead of fighting alone and losing peace of mind an loved ones, is better to acknowledge and do as much as good to the humanity, and leave according to your conscious, ultimately its our life and we are responsible as adult, for our own choices of the life. Unless you are really committed to make a deference in the society, because the society we leave is been ruled by these secular people and being in the society we are not alone. One person or few cannot change the thinking of the whole world, it takes the most, and even they did not spare Jesus Christ!!! All the best Mr. Zeitgeist,

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  • sam, world

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    @Ginna, Houston
    Ma'am, you wrote this to Zeitgeist, Mangalore earlier "Yes there is a religion in which we all can go straight to heaven, and that’s called humanity"
    - How do you know humanity will get you to heaven?
    - What does a person need to do as per "humanity" to go to heaven?

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    Sam,
    You are taking your arguments exactly where I though you would lead them to.
    You can`t prove that the god exist. Then show evidence. If you can provide a proof that can be scientifically verified then you sir should get a nobel prize.
    You say that am I looking for the truth? Yes I am. Then you quoted from bible that Jesus says something about holding his hand that will lead a person to the path of truth/knowing truth. Now are you stating indirectly that to know the truth I have to follow Jesus? So what about other gods?? Which one should I follow??(Use reason and logic over here) Should I follow – Odin, Zues, Horas, Mithras or Vishnu? And this is where the whole problem exist. Missionaries form religions try to convert people into their religion. And when the people from that particular religion oppose and start to fight back they say that they have a freedom of to choose religion.
    Just to highlight how ridiculous religion really is… you don’t have to go too far. Just read about Mormons or Scientology. The problem with religion is that they all proclaim to be one and only truth.
    Don’t say that morality comes from religion. Most if not all the moral values mentioned in religious text`s are common sense.
    And yes religions do hinder s progress. Eg: Intelligent design being taught in schools in US. Its not a scientific. The only reason its being taught in schools is that its supported by 100% religious people.
    I really don’t want to argue with you because there is not point of it. I don’t intend to convert anyone to atheism and a atheist has to go through a process to reach a true enlightenment.

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    Baron Sam ,............digest this
    ,“. . . In all parts of our globe, fanatics have cut each other's throats, publicly burnt each other, committed without a scruple and even as a duty, the greatest crimes, and shed torrents of blood . . .

    Savage and furious nations, perpetually at war, adore, under divers names, some God, conformable to their ideas, that is to say, cruel, carnivorous, selfish, blood-thirsty. We find, in all the religions, 'a God of armies,' a 'jealous God,' an 'avenging God,' a 'destroying God,' a 'God,' who is pleased with carnage, and whom his worshippers consider it a duty to serve. Lambs, bulls, children, men, and women, are sacrificed to him. Zealous servants of this barbarous God think themselves obliged even to offer up themselves as a sacrifice to him. Madmen may everywhere be seen, who, after meditating upon their terrible God, imagine that to please him they must inflict on themselves, the most exquisite torments. The gloomy ideas formed of the deity, far from consoling them, have every where disquieted their minds, and prejudiced follies destructive to happiness.”
    ― Baron d'Holbach

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Sun, Sep 28 2014


    ``Religion looks forward to the destruction of the world…. Perhaps half aware that its unsupported arguments are not entirely persuasive, and perhaps uneasy about its own greedy accumulation of temporal power and wealth, religion has never ceased to proclaim the Apocalypse and the day of judgment.''

    ''Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.''

    ''Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the ‘transcendent’ and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don’t be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish. Picture all experts as if they were mammals. Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake the grave will supply plenty of time for silence. Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.''

    ''Name me an ethical statement made or an action performed by a believer that could not have been made or performed by a non-believer.''

    “We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.”

    - Christopher Hitchens

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  • sam, world

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    @Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    "You can`t prove that the god exist. Then show evidence. If you can provide a proof that can be scientifically verified then you sir should get a nobel prize."
    - Regarding God's existence, there are various ways one can prove it ranging from Design Argument, Ontological argument, etc.
    - Now allow me to ask you a question before you jump and say hurrah - If you believe in Science and Science states the Laws of Thermodynamics exists. Have you seen it? So is the Law of Thermodynamics true or not? Hence should the person who discovered it get the Nobel Prize or not?

    "Then you quoted from bible that Jesus says something about holding his hand that will lead a person to the path of truth/knowing truth. Now are you stating indirectly that to know the truth I have to follow Jesus? "
    - No, you are misquoting or misunderstanding my comment. I said 'Jesus says in Gospel of John 8:31-32 "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free'. We can study Jesus and inspect the claims of Christianity and decide if Jesus is telling the truth or not. Repeat this process for other beliefs and see where it leads you."
    - In other words, if everyone is claiming the truth and you are honestly seeking the truth, you should see which one is true and which one is not true. Another way to understand this is every politician promises the goodwill for citizens. How do you decide who to believe among the various politicians? Do you toss a dice or do you do something different?

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  • sam, world

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    @Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    "when the people from that particular religion oppose and start to fight back they say that they have a freedom of

    to choose religion.
    - I don't think you understand Christianity at all. Christ never put a burden on the believer to follow him. You have to willingly choose to follow Christ.

    "Just read about Mormons or Scientology. The problem with religion is that they all proclaim to be one and only truth."
    - I answered this in my other response to you.

    "Most if not all the moral values mentioned in religious text`s are common sense."
    - Is common sense objective?
    - How does an atheist conclude something is evil? or for that matter, how does an atheist conclude that something is good?

    "Intelligent design being taught in schools in US. Its not a scientific."
    - Do you have proof for the Big Bang? Have you seen it?

    "I really don’t want to argue with you because there is not point of it."
    - Are your proving to us that "you are superior to everbody else", the very words you wrote when you wrote to Joseph earlier? Mocking God is easy, but when Atheism is questioned "there is no point of it" to discuss with a believer in God?

    "I don’t intend to convert anyone to atheism and a atheist has to go through a process to reach a true enlightenment. "
    - Since you appealed to Science, let me ask you, can you "provide a proof that can be scientifically verified" for true enlightenment?

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  • zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    Sam,

    I want you to ask you one simple thing. I beleive you have read the news about what isis are doing in iraq. you must have surely heard what they did to hundreds if not thousands of yazidi christian.

    Now tell me where is god when men are crucified, women and children being slautered?? and what is he doing? How is he helping those those people?

    Its a simple question.

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  • sam, world

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    @zeitgeist, Mangalore

    You ask me questions, but like Prabhu don't respond to mine? You are proving that "you are superior to everbody else", the very words you wrote when you wrote to Joseph earlier.

    Here is my response to the 'critical thinking' atheist who looks at the believer in God as a 'retard' from the Christian view.

    God observes all actions of humans and you will get to see all these actions again when you meet God. God has given us all free will. This free will allows the humans to choose to do good or do evil. Thus all of us are responsible for our actions and cannot claim 'ignorance'.

    When you as a parent tell your child not to do certain things and they do them, what do you do? Give them a box of chocolates? When God has warned humans in advance that living in sin will lead them to destruction, should God give us a box of chocolates for disobedience?

    God will not deny us our free will as that would make us robots. We are not slaves of God (this is the muslim
    ideology), but his children and if we truly love God, we must love him as we love ourselves and one another. If we loved one another, would we kill one another?

    God knows the persecutor and the persecuted and those who have died persecuted will be judged the same way the persecutor will be judged. God is patient and gives enough time for a person to repent. Even the most evil man will be forgiven if he repents and turns to God. God is both merciful and just.

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  • sam, world

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    @Prabhu, Blore

    You wrote "Everyone is born atheist. Religion is learned." which is a ridiculous claim to which I responded "The statement has a fallacy. Are you assuming that a baby is an atheist at birth? If so, how can you prove it?"

    As regards God's existence, there are various ways one can prove it ranging from Design Argument, Ontological argument, etc. The question for you is are you honestly seeking truth or not and does it matter to you?

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    Sam, I dont need to know any truth from you as you yourself need knowing it . A little more study leaving aside what has been drilled into you head will make headway into the truth use logic not scriptural Magic.
    &
    Kids don't become part of any religions until their parents indoctrinate them into the religion.

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    God so loved the world he gave us Sam !
    Religion has ever filled the mind of man with darkness, and kept him in ignorance of his real duties and true interests. It is only by dispelling the clouds and phantoms of Religion, that we shall discover Truth, Reason, and Morality.”

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  • sam, world

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    @Prabhu, Blore

    Sir, you have reposted the quote from Baron d’Holbach "Religion has ever filled ..." once again to me. I gave you a quote from Baron d’Holbach where he wrote "If man, according to his nature ..." and asked you two questions based on it which I am re-posting.

    1. Should we live and promote a life of immorality if it gives us pleasure and makes us happy? Why not?
    2. Should we allow man to kill, steal, etc. to further his ambitions after all Baron d'holbach does say it is unjust to be virtuous since it makes man miserable and will prevent man from improving his welfare. Why not?

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  • Rohit, India

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    @Prabhu
    Prabhu-mam,
    With great interest I have been reading your dialogue with Sam. Initially, the discussion was civil and interesting points were made by you and Sam. Sadly, now you dont answer Sam's comments and are resulting in name-calling. This is very disappointing.

    Since you quoted Baron d’Holbach, I am interested in your response to Sam's question about Baron d’Holbach and his views about pursuing immoral behavior if it doesnt make man miserable? Eagerly awaiting your reply.

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    Google
    The System of Nature
    Chapter XIV: Education, Morals, and the Laws suffice to restrain Man.—Of the desire of Immortality.—Of Suicide.

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    Posted the link...
    The scriptures also can be quoted and you will get a trumped stereo type reply as
    To why God killed innocent children to win with his created.
    Took pleasure in asking for a child's life ....
    Which are all moral grounds.
    But you still believe this god

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  • sam, world

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    @Prabhu, Blore

    You wrote "Everyone is born atheist. Religion is learned." which is a ridiculous claim to which I responded "The statement has a fallacy. Are you assuming that a baby is an atheist at birth? If so, how can you prove it?"

    As regards God's existence, there are various ways one can prove it ranging from Design Argument, Ontological argument, etc. The question for you is are you honestly seeking truth or not and does truth matter to you?

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  • sam, world

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    @Prabhu, Blore

    "Sam do you think they know god or it's No god."
    Can you explain more what you are trying to say here? I only see quotes from Baron d’Holbach.

    Baron d’Holbach also says:
    "If man, according to his nature, is necessitated to desire his welfare, he is equally obliged to love and cherish the means by which he believes it is to be acquired: it would be useless, it would perhaps be unjust, to demand that a man should be virtuous, if he could not be so without rendering himself miserable. Whenever he thinks vice renders him happy, he must necessarily love vice whenever he sees inutility recompensed, crime rewardedwhenever he witnesses either or both of them honored,what interest will he find in occupying himself with the happiness of his fellow-creatures? what advantage will he discover in restraining the fury of his passions?"

    Here are a few questions for you:
    1. Should we live and promote a life of immorality if it gives us pleasure and makes us happy? Why not?
    2. Should we allow man to kill, steal, etc. to further his ambitions after all Baron d'holbach does say it is unjust
    to be virtuous since it makes man miserable and will prevent man from improving his welfare. Why not?

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    You mean a mean one like ......someone who kills innocent children, sends floods,pests, plagues, destroys houses and lives of even innocents.
    Or sends his public prosecutor to torture and torment the faithful.

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  • sam, world

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    @Prabhu, Blore
    I am surprised Prabhu, you quoted Baron d’Holbach and when I showed you what he wrote "If man, according to his nature ..." , why isnt there any response to that quote of his?

    Rather you say "You mean a mean one like ......someone who kills innocent children, sends floods,pests, plagues, destroys houses and lives of even innocents." to condemn God??

    The false charge against God "You mean a mean one ..." is quite common among those who have been hurt in their lives. Let me ask you a simple question while you ponder on Baron d’Holbach shocking statements that approve immorality - if you have been upset with your family for some reason will you condemn them? and say spiteful words? Why not? Do you see yourself as 'perfect' and without sin or mistakes in your life?

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  • Bsatheesh, udupi/dubai

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    The freedom given to all religion in India is the biggest mistake. India is hindu country. Whoever don't like please go to your respective country. Hope you will enjoy there. Dont try to convert or spoil hindus who are happily living and not bothering/disturbing other religions.Mind your own business.

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  • Shaad, Mangalore

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    The Million dollar question is Rama Sene openly claimed that they converted 2300 Muslim girls to Hinduism and made an arrangements to marry Hindu boys. What its called so far????
    If you look at all right wings list of achievements claims many more on this issue, why this conversion not a issue or propoganda?

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  • Himesh, Mangalore

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    @ Batheesh, We indians lucky we have many religion, custom and culture otherwise India would have main hut for Civil war within so called HINDU as upper caste, medium caste,lower caste, poojary, shetty, gowda, lingayata, okkaliga,gujarati, punjabi, mallu, bijapuri,dalit, SC, ST, deferent tribes, Marathi, Bhayya, Bihari..!! RSS utilizing the situation and you guys become "Bali ka Bakra"..Praise the lord

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  • sam, world

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    @Bsatheesh, udupi/dubai
    "India is hindu country. Whoever don't like please go to your respective country."

    Has Indian abolished its constitution?

    It this the beginning of 'might is right' and the era of dictatorship?

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    Ginna,

    None of the religion teaches badly it’s all about humans'

    - I can prove your statement if false. Religious text contains all the fuel to justify evil deeds. Religions threaten our progress.
    A person/group can a kill a person/group and can pick a justification in the religious text. Just read history from a very good source. Read about inquisition throughout the ages, holocaust, genocide throughout the ages including what ISIS is doing now.

    People do these things by thinking god is on their side. They always do. Dont give the example that Stalin, Mao, and the north korean leaders were atheist. They may be but the regard themselves as god.



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  • sam, world

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    @Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    "Religious text contains all the fuel to justify evil deeds."

    - Evil deeds? How does an atheist conclude something is evil? or for that matter, how does an atheist conclude that something is good?
    - The Bible does not allow justification for evil deeds. God tells people in advance to live a life of holiness and also warns them that living in sin will lead them to destruction. Most people refuse to follow God's advice and the rest is history.


    "Religions threaten our progress."

    - If religion threatens our progress, then would you say killing unborn children, leading immoral lives leading to breakdown in the family and society are all symbols of progress? Why not?

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    Religion is the main reason for nearly all the wars fought and are being fought...
    Regarding killing unborn children and innocent children i think you are forgetting Your scriptures....try Exodus then Samuel.
    Read Deut too.

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  • sam, world

    Mon, Sep 29 2014

    @Prabhu, Blore

    How does an atheist conclude something is evil? or for that matter, how does an atheist conclude that something is good?

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    Sam,

    First of all there is no certificate showing that a person is atheist. So to prove that a atheist converted to any religion, you have to prove that the person was exactly a atheist. Dont tell me the people who claim that they were atheist later converted to a religion.

    I was not claiming to be superior to anyone but i was merely stating that critical thinking and reasoning is fundamental for a person to be atheist. you dont require that to be religious. Have you ever wondered why punishment for atheism is death in some religions? why do you think that is?

    Think of the problems that we have these days. Most of them could be actually solved by eliminating religion. I think we have advanced to a stage were our morality is superior to that written in the texts written thousands of years ago by the people who barely traveled 20 miles.

    And the other thing, you had asked me whether i change what i believe if i know it was not the truth. i would. i change what i believe provided there is a evidence for it.

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  • sam, world

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    @Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Since you say "there is no certificate showing that a person is atheist", then can you tell us who or what is an atheist. That will help answering "Dont tell me the people who claim that they were atheist later converted to a religion."

    "I was not claiming to be superior to anyone but i was merely stating that critical thinking and reasoning is fundamental for a person to be atheist"

    What makes you believe that "critical thinking and reasoning is NOT fundamental for a believer in God?
    Are you claiming that "you are superior to everbody else" :)

    "Think of the problems that we have these days. Most of them could be actually solved by eliminating religion."

    Really? How will you solve the problems? Do you have an objective moral standard? and where do you derive this moral standard from?

    "you had asked me whether i change what i believe if i know it was not the truth."

    I asked you "Are you honestly seeking the truth and does it matter to you"?

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  • Ginna, Houston

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Zeitgeist, yes people are died in the name of religion are more than in War and natural deserters
    It’s all about humans not sub beliefs. I think humanity is a best religion. What’s the point of discussing abut religion when all of us know that everyone has to die and go to the same mud one day??? Yes there is a religion in which we all can go straight to heaven, and that’s called humanity! All religion is created by humans, religion did not create humans!! None of the religion teaches badly it’s all about humans …..Manipulates the religion according to his/her will to get benefit out of it .

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  • zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Joseph,

    "THERE ARE PLENTY OF ATHEISTS SHUNNED THEIR GODLESS MINDS AND EMBRACED JESUS CHRIST"

    Tell me exactly who are those??? and why why you think atheist have to embace jesus christ?? why?? I know your kind of people who think you are superior to everbody else bwcause you have right kind of god on your side.

    I want to write here again what i posted in my first comment for this article that a well educated atheist would never go back beliving in god simply because atheist simply dont getup one morning and become what they are. We invest a lot of time studying, reading and most of all reasoning.

    I know that most of crtical thinking and reasoning would be beyond your comprehension. And please dont type in capital letters, It doesnt make any difference.

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  • PPRABHU, Blore

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    All thinking men are atheists. Earnest Hemingway

    Everyone is born atheist. Religion is learned. As a learned behavior, peoples' religion
    can be accurately predicted by the religion of their parents and the place where they
    live. Therefore it is no surprise that 77% of Americans are Christian, 97% of Saudis are
    Muslim, 95% of Thais are Buddhist, 80% of Indians are Hindu and 85% of Swedes
    have no religion.

    Religionists do not want to admit that everyone is born atheist. The statement infuriates
    them. Religionists want to deny the facts. They call this faithpersisting in believing
    something despite contrary facts. They act as if faith is a good thing. But it does not
    change the fact that everyone is born atheist, religion is learned. Perhaps religionists fear that if they admit religion is learned, people will realize that it can be unlearned.

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  • sam, world

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    @PPRABHU, Blore

    "Everyone is born atheist. Religion is learned."
    The statement has a fallacy. Are you assuming that a baby is an atheist at birth? If so, how can you prove it?

    The problem with your assumption is that the converse of this statement is equally true, i.e. Everyone is born non-Atheist. Atheism is learned.

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  • sam, world

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    @PPRABHU, Blore
    "Everyone is born atheist. Religion is learned."
    The statement has a fallacy. Are you assuming that a baby is an atheist at birth? If so, how can you prove it?

    The problem with your assumption is that the inverse of this statement is equally true, i.e. Everyone is born non-Atheist. Atheism is learned.

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    Sam do you think they know god or it's No god.
    “What, indeed, is an atheist? He is one who destroys delusions which are harmful to humanity in order to lead men back to nature, to reality, to reason. He is a thinker who, having reflected on the nature of matter, its energy, properties and ways of acting, has no need of idealized powers or imaginary intelligences to explain the phenomena of the universe and the operations of nature.”
    Baron d’Holbach (1770)

    “Religion has ever filled the mind of man with darkness, and kept him in ignorance of his real duties and true interests. It is only by dispelling the clouds and phantoms of Religion, that we shall discover Truth, Reason, and Morality.”
    Baron d’Holbach

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    SAM ,,
    You can't prove god exists, what are you asking me to prove , that a child believes in something which does not exist ?

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  • sam, world

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    @zeitgeist, Mangalore

    "Tell me exactly who are those???"
    This is not a number winning contest :) There are atheists who have chosen to follow Christ and there are atheists who have chosen to follow other belief systems. A simple search on the internet should help you find this information.

    "I know your kind of people who think you are superior to everbody else bwcause you have right kind of god on your side."
    Superiority of religion may give a person a sense of pride, but in the end Truth is what matters. Are you honestly seeking the truth and does it matter to you?

    "I know that most of crtical thinking and reasoning would be beyond your comprehension."
    Are your proving to us that "you are superior to everbody else" :)

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  • sam, world

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    @Zeitgeist, Mangalore
    "Tell me exactly who are those???"
    This is not a number winning contest :) There are atheists who have chosen to follow Christ and there are atheists who have chosen to follow other belief systems. A simple search on google should help you find this information.

    "I know your kind of people who think you are superior to everbody else bwcause you have right kind of god on your side."
    Superiority of religion may give a person a sense of pride, but in the end Truth is what matters. Are you honestly seeking the truth and does it matter to you?

    "I know that most of crtical thinking and reasoning would be beyond your comprehension."
    Are your proving to us that "you are superior to everbody else" :)

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  • Apoline, Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    I believe every individual should know that religion is not required to gain moksha or to enter the heaven. If Christians think only their religion is God made, do their God send all Muslims and Hindus to Hell? If Muslims think that their religion is only God made, Do their God wants all Christians and Hindus to go to hell? One should live their own religion faithfully. Whatever religion we are born in, we need to be a good individuals and the heaven is definitely ours.

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  • sam, world

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Apoline, Mangalore

    Good questions. How much have you studied on other religions beside your own belief? Are you honestly searching the truth or are simply upset because XYZ religion has certain sayings that you do not like?

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  • Shridhar, Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Sam, World When you ask how much you have studied other Religions...What do you mean by that..??? You mean to ask how much other religious scriptures one has read??? Even if one reads all the scriptures what you will he get out of it??? All religious texts talks of their religion as the best etc with lots of stories but without any measurable proofs for it... Only option left to us is to believe it or leave it...What good does this make to the humankind...????

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  • sam, world

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Shridhar, Mangalore
    Good questions. Does truth matter? If it does matter what will you do or what should you do?

    "You mean to ask how much other religious scriptures one has read??? Even if one reads all the scriptures what you will he get out of it??? " and "What good does this make to the humankind...????"
    This is dependent on what you are looking for.

    "All religious texts talks of their religion as the best etc with lots of stories but without any measurable proofs for it."
    Have you examined various religions or are you simply saying what has been repeated by many people?

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  • sam, world

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    @Shridhar, Mangalore
    Good questions. Does truth matter? If it does matter what will you do or what should you do?

    "You mean to ask how much other religious scriptures one has read??? Even if one reads all the scriptures what you will he get out of it??? " and "What good does this make to the humankind...????"
    This is dependent on what you are looking for.

    "All religious texts talks of their religion as the best etc with lots of stories but without any measurable proofs for it."
    Have you examined various religions or are you simply saying what has been repeated by many people?

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  • Jamal, Mangalore/UAE

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Love Jihad is one of the propaganda tool to polarize majority votes. Why the right-wing parties and their affiliates think that they can succeed??. out 200 plus comments I can see only 10% of them believe in Love Jihad. Why worry it will die its own death. Only a matter of few days.

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  • Roshan, Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    It is insecurity within a large group of religious fundamentalists creates lot many issues. Taliban, Newlife or RSS all have the same problem, they feel their religion is under threat. People who feel insecure is a very small but they have the ability to hold the entire community at their side. If people start looking answers within the religion first, the world would have been a better place. If islamic fundamentals look at the raise of ISIS and can answer logically probably, they would do better. If christian fundamentalists answers why churches hold all the wealth, when it should have been the poorest, it would have been better. If hindu fanatics work for their community more than propaganda's probably, the very reason for their claims would not have been there.

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  • sam, world

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Roshan, Mangalore
    "If christian fundamentalists answers why churches hold all the wealth, when it should have been the poorest, it would have been better."

    How much money does it need in today's world to maintain a house and one or two children. Now multiply that by thousands. The Church if following Jesus' teachings looks after the sick, dying, oppressed, families of both Christians and non-Christians. How much will it cost? How many hospitals will treat people without fees? Yet when a saint like Mother Teresa helps the poor, non-Christians complain of 'conversion' and 'poor facilities'??

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  • Mangalorean, Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Forget all..lets jst follow d religion of humanity..I hav always frown up as an Indian n go to every religious place..in true spirit i feel M an Indian..no matter whom I may marry I shall look fr a girl with similar thots n teach our children too to b Indians n humans 1st..

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  • BALAKRISHNA, ALANGAR-MOODBIDRI

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    DEAR BROTHERS ..CAN ANY ONE EXPLAIN IN DETAIL WHAT IS THE MEANING OF "JIHAD"
    PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW IT. THEN ONLY CAN ARGUE ON THIS ISSUE...

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  • R.Bhandarkar, M'lore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    What are the following called?
    1. Christian convert into Hindu
    2. Muslim convert into Hindu
    3. Sikh Convert into Hindu
    Answers:
    1.CHINDU.
    2. MUNDU.
    3.SINDHU.
    Everything, organs, thinking process and all same o.k. Only
    'Name' Change.

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  • Mahendra Shetty, Mumbai Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    ASOK SHETRE,

    BD GU PANJARA? IJINDA ELLE ERU/ERME JIHAD START AAVU.....
    ILLAD KORI UNDA KATTADA?

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  • ziyad, mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    I would rather ask everybody out here to learn the teachings of Islam by actually going through the scripture and authentic sources... Figure out the truth for yourself... and let me know if u find any so called Love Jihad or any other such issues mentioned..... No matter how much you spread false / fake news
    " When Truth Comes Falsehood Perishes and Falsehood by its nature is bound to perish"(al-quran) ..... Peace

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  • Shridhar, Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    The greatness of any religion or belief system are measured by the kind of follower's it produces... One should not be bothered what is the beliefs and practices of other person as long as he don't create problem to the society at large.

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  • AMAR NATHAL, MANGALORE

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    205 comments, hundred more replies, prove this is a very sensitive topic. Full of love or lack of it!

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  • Twahi, Mangalore/ksa

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    If 'love jihad' exists then there' love trishul'.lot of muslim and Christians girls were fallen prey for this 'love trishul'.....why you people not raising voice for that?

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  • HASHIM, Kundapura

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Why the non muslim lady attaracted to muslim boy? and why muslim lady attracted to non muslim boy?Dear love comes from heart not from religion!!!To live in the society one has to compromise with that.I dont study about other religion but as i am a muslim "Alhamdulilla" my religious not allowed to touch any lady before nikha(Marriage)and not to get married who dont say "Lahilaha illallha muhammed rasulullah" after that love jihad whatever!

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Daijiworld article of Love Jihad turning towards Existence of God.

    I am happy that at least nameless Atheists are taking the name of God in their mouth. Hope they shall have growth.

    Mindless are Godless and Pathetic is their reasoning.
    They hate God-loving people.

    THERE ARE PLENTY OF ATHEISTS SHUNNED THEIR GODLESS MINDS AND EMBRACED JESUS CHRIST.

    BEHO...LD THE ATHEISTS SHALL SEE THE MIGHTY GOD IN THEIR NAKED EYES

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    Like the children saw the emperor naked with his new clothes on ...dreams only dreams

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  • Roshan Braganza, Mumbai

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @ zeitgeist , " only two things are infinite , one is the universe and other is Human Stupidity , and m not sure about first one " Sir Albert Einstain. Humans like to idolize and by compulsion Religion happens. But we cannot denounce it since , it gives comfort and solace. The true spirituality does not follow any religion but God or dietys are there for a reason. Concept of God is true and humanity itself , but we see only manifestations of , in our own understanding.

     
    @koti , kundapur . As far glittering ceremony and attractive exterior is concerned , you may b right. But wait minute , but u need eagles eye to see how its twisted and empty from inside. No wonder , the community u mentioned is second largest in number of matrimonial disputes filed in a year.

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  • sam, world

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Roshan Braganza, Mumbai
    "Concept of God is true and humanity itself , but we see only manifestations of , in our own understanding."

    If you believe that Concept of God is based on our own understanding, then how do you reconcile the contradictory nature of the manifestations of God? If Concept of God is true, can truth contradict?

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  • Nagendra, Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    People who implement love jihad (if it is true) are not true followers of Islam. Question is how to handle the situation without blacklisting the entire community? The answer is education and awareness by both the involved communities. No point hurling brickbats at each other as it only aggravates the situation.

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  • A. Beary, Mangalor

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    I am a muslim. There cannot be a thing called as love jihad in islam. love before marriage is prohibited in Islam.I have become a muslim not by blindly following it. It teaches to worship One God your creator who is One, Imageless, formless, Absolute and eternal.The same is in Hindu scriptures. You can refer to the websites of Aryasamaj which proclaims the same. As per Arya samaj definition I am Hindu also. I am a christian also because Quran commands me to have faith in Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) all the prophets and the last prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him.)I have learnt the arabic language to know the Quran, I have bible at my desk and now I am planning to learn the sanskrit the language of Vedas. It is nothing but quest for knowledge to know who has created me.

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  • Muhammad, mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Good A beary....I am too a muslim and I want to learn classical languages like sanskrit,tamil,arabic and hebrew....and all those religious scriptures ....since my list is long and hectic life schedule not finding suitable time...U do it good...We need to have quest of knowledge rather than quest of hate.....

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  • vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Dear A. Beary, Mangalor
    Felt good after reading your comment,
    Every one knows that there no such word found in kuran or hadith!
    Ok comming back to the point which i wanted to share with you as well as all the readers,
    Try to get authentic vedas(translated to english ) or in sanskrith from aryasamaj jamnagar or you can get in AGNIVEER SITE.
    Regarding muller , griffith translation is a waste to read!!
    Dhanyavad

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  • A. Beary, Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Thanks for the comment.
    The point I wanted to to make clear is that all Hindus must learn sanskrit and Vedas should be understood in their original language, not the translated ones. We have learnt the English as foreign language why not learn the language which benefits your life after death.You are right Aryasamaj Jamnagar website is useful. I call upon all my Hindu brothers and sisters to go through the website.

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  • vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Sat, Sep 27 2014

    Dear A. Beary, Mangalore
    You are right not only hindus/ssaanatanis , each and every one should go through the VEDAS(knowledge).
    It doesn't matter reading Vedas in any translated language but until & unless translation of the mantra's are not adulterated/manipulated !
    Dhanyavad

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  • Lawrence, USA

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Why we are concerned about our girls converting to other religion as a condition of leading a married life. We should be concerned about our girls working as sex slaves in brothels. Our priority is to rehabilitate them and not intimidate those who chose to raise their family with the loved one.

    Muslims are very good in taking care of their women. I never come across any Muslim man beating his wife or treating them like servants.

    During my last visit to India, I visited my old acquaintance from majority community. I didn't like the way he was treating his wife.

    He called her and said "Ikana, eradu tea maadi thaa.... after ten minutes, he was yelling at her.. neenu yenu maaduthiya oLaghe.. swalpa bega thaa... I felt very bad for the woman. No respect to the women at all.

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  • Anamika, Sullia/Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    As i know even thinking about strange girls is prohibited in Islam and then how Love Jihad happening

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  • Truth First, Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Instead of complaining about other religion make he religious belief strong so that no one quits...

    Bajrang dal, VHP pls stop poking ur nose into moral policing and create awareness about ur religion to people

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  • Ashwin , mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @zeitgeist.. Free man with a fake identity. Religion is not a shackle, it's you're identity.
    If you don't believe in religion , then at least turn back to God.
    The endless conspiracy theories around you will go on . Don't get you're self lost .

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  • N Mukkawala, Kinnigoly

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    There is no love jihad .Reality is that Muslim boys dont get to see muslim girls as they are in Niqab and dating Muslim girls not possible for the fear of social ban by mullas.
    Non muslim girls are confused with uncontrolled modernization and fall easy prey.
    Same thing
    Also to be noted that film personalities marry non Muslim girls because movies are considered haram in islam and any conservative muslim never dare to have alliance with film personalities .

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  • Ronald D, Udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    well said Mr. Dsouza!! Looking at today may be world is better without him! World will have more money for roads and bridges and medicines!

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  • Sandy, Udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    I guess with Muslim girls all covered up in burkha,Muslim boys have no choice but to look at the "others"

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  • Koti, Kundapura

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Who suffer in loosing their daughters,sisters even wife that is Hindus and Christians.

    I salute Catholics they have pulled up their soc against this menace, their churches, community leaders and religious leaders realized this threat. More over beauty of Catholic youths specially from Udupi and Mangalore marry girls from their own community without dowry and the wedding celebrations goes without saying the glittering hi fi way, best part they share the expenses. There itself they open an account where they build the rest of their life. I have lots of catholic friends and i feel proud of them. Biggest problem in their life solved without divorce. Today in India Hindus are the biggest community end up in divorce.

    I think the level of education Catholics have is the difference.
    Love jihad is there or not but educate our girls is important, else we are the loosers. BD VHP or any group getting hold of a youth of other community and thrashing is not a solution. You thrash one and nine are slipped away. Gotcha.

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  • mak, jeddah

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    The word "love jihad" never existed, only the anti Muslim groups describe as a love jihad. First of all these dumbo peoples doesn't know what is jihad? Simply calling as jihad.
    I wanna ask everyone who has still haven'tgot the true meaning of jihad, please tune it to PEACE TV. And understand the reality.

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  • C.D'Souza., Kuloor, Mangalaru.

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    MILLIONS ARE GOOD WITHOUT GODS.

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  • C.D'Souza., Kuloor, Mangalaru.

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    MILLIONS ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE GOOD WITHOUT GODS.

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  • Irfan, Mangalore/K.S.A

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing".
    Quran 2:256
    And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
    -Quran 17:81

    So there is no Such thing in Quran like Love Jihad,it's the False message propagated by Some of Anti Nationalist who wants to divide our Society.

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  • Ruben Pinto, Australia

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    India without Hinduism is a non entity. Both love jihad and cast system has to be addressed for India to exist as an -out of this world- entity.

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  • Vinay Nair, Mangalore/Dubai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Dear All,

    God created us as man and woman, we created religion, religion created wall between us. Now we are defending these walls. Please brother's and sister's come out from all these myths, try to find out your own way of enlightenment. for example Just go and help someone who is miserably looking for help.After then Look at his eyes, I say u will feel your self 100 times happier than performing 100 Poojas, Namaz or Prayers.My brother's and sister's help each other respect each other, love each other, no religion is there that is nothing more than this. Please remember, If Bhagvan/God/Allah wants one religion he can make it one through out the world. These religions are made by us hence we have several.

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  • Prabhu, Blore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Vinay Nair,
    Your 1st sentence is wrong as it cannot be proved
    Your second is right and can be proved,
    Your third is absolutely right and needs no proof.

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  • Judith L, Mumbai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Religion is man made is true how you say it is wrong. No God made religion.

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  • vikas, mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Judith,
    God concept in itself is a figment of 'religion'. It is a made up story. I was happy to note Kadher state that people don't convert after reading these holy books. I think we have as a society grown up a lot. Religion will die at some point. Garishly dressed religious men will have to hide one day from humans.

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  • joseph, Udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Love Jihad is prevalent in Coastal Karnataka to a great extent targeting a number of Hindu and Catholic College going Girls. Every one knows about it and speak up in hush hush tones. I have personally come across some of such cases.This menace needs to be eradicated on a war footing.

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  • vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Dear Ranjan Shetty ,Manglore
    Pranam ,
    First of all i am not against inter-religion marriages.!!
    Sir , you have to be specific on mentioning this in your post as you have shared your person exp..
    “Later after 2 yrs now I realised she is most happiest person and her in laws and husband loves her a lot..I am happy for her for taking right decision”
    Q1-What was the right decision and who was in the wrong side
    -Whether Marrying her love
    or
    To get marry she had to convert
    Or
    her decision to convert?
    Q2: What you have found after two years- is it because of their understanding about their role husband/wife or it is after conversion which helped her in laws and her husband to love her a lot?
    Awaiting your reply
    Dhanyavad

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  • Ranjan Shetty, mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Well thats the way u think..

    Lemme clear it.. thanks for the questions. ..

    Firstly I meant her decision to get married to loved one was the right decision. .

    As she had to dtay I her husband house she had to convert to compromise. ..
    Love is of faith trust and sacrifice and she sacrifices her religion for love...
    She had to stay with her in laws house as her parents were against the marriage..so she had to compromise by converting to islam. . Well she was not forced but she had to do as her in laws weren't ready to accept.
    Just for the sake of love she did..

    Now she has won the hearts of her inlaws and she is leading normal life. Visit us for deepawali and other festivals and celebrate with us...

    Everything is normal. ..

    So her decision to get married to the boy whom she love was the right decision.. she sacrificed with a strong will and now leading superb life..
    In 2 years they have good understanding and her in laws and husband do not stop her from visiting or celebrating festivals together..

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  • vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Dear Ranjan Shetty, mangalore
    Your beating around the bush for the question shettre ,
    “As she had to dtay I her husband house she had to convert to compromise. ..
    Love is of faith trust and sacrifice and she sacrifices her religion for love...”
    -Your biased here ,By looking at your reply one can see that only your cousine was in love and tried her best to make it a success.

    “ She had to stay with her in laws house as her parents were against the marriage..
    -Ok one hurdle she passed here !!
    “so she had to compromise by converting to islam. . Well she was not forced but she had to do as her in laws weren't ready to accept.”
    -If she did not convert then she would have been thrown out even her husband cannot saved her by convincing his parents ?
    Both statements of your contradicts here
    “‘Now she has won the hearts of her inlaws and she is leading normal life. Visit us for deepawali and other festivals and celebrate with us...”
    -So what exactly needed to be happy in life (bachelor or married)?
    Understanding each other rite ,not the other way around as you said .
    For your knowledge regarding faith /love/trust go through the book “The light of Truth” Or “Sathyartha Prakash” by Swami Dayanad Saraswathi
    A small request ,Next time donot try to give lecture regarding your experience, If you donot know the ground reality of others!!
    Dhanyavad

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  • Ibrahim, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    I am a Muslim and in Islam it is not permissible for a guy to be in relationship with a girl irrespective of whichever community she belongs to!So where's this whole point about 'Love Jihad'?!

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  • Allen, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Wow! Very convincing! Keep it up!!

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  • sunil kotian, mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    agree islam does not allow,

    but if u truly following islam how this happening....

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  • Roy, Mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    The problem is the non muslim girls both christian and hindus are made to fall in love forcefully. First send a fb request or a text follwed by call 100 times n make her tell that she loves him. Pretend as if he loves her mean time in a relationship with some other girl. Make the innocent girl think he's everything for her. Start telling bad about her religion n then .......... Source : Experience

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  • Mel, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Why people are thinking that their religion is better than the others. What actually religion does? I am sure that no one has a clue. We are just fighting each other to satisfy our religious feelings. Everyone eats same food, bleeds when we get hurt. Neither Krishna or Allah or Jesus told us that he belongs to a certain religion. They told us to do always right. Why did god give us a brain if he doesn’t want us to think? That’s why we need to think that which is right and which is wrong and move on.

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  • Shafi, Karkala

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Mr. Shankar Bhat I Agree With You.

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  • Amin Bhoja, Patte / Riyadh

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    You born with an identity with a tag attached i.e it is your religion now suddenly you feel to change yourself and your religion for better comforts i.e to your better future for a short period.In this case First you cheat yourself then your parents and your immediate brothers and sisters who loved you the most,a pain all the way.

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  • Ranjan Shetty, mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Excellent shankar bhat mam...
    Very nice msg...

    Jeevan mahendra come on guys.. cheer up and be as sweet as Mr. SHANKAR BHAT.
    I know it is possible..
    Spit out the anger ego and join hands

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  • Joy, Dubai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Shettre, nikul gethonna badi (Dowry)jasthi aapund. badi gethonodchi, niklena ponnulu niklege thikkuva.

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  • KK, mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Hindu Help Line Center vs Muslim Conversion Center - this itself reads a lot...

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  • Vikas G, Udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Ibrahim Mangalore, Mangalore
    Islam never allowed any forceful religious convert & prohibited strictly.It means any one can embrace Islam by understanding its ideology especially strong belief in ALLAH & but not in force !!!!!! Really ??? Seriously ?

    Then you really don't know your own history Brother. Just read some history books how Islam spread in Initial days in and around Arabia and then into Europe and India uptill owr own Tippu Sultan Ruled Mysore. You will know in how much love and peace Islam spread. And for the present generations, we can still see some of those genes are available in the form of Al Qaida and ISIS who only motive is convert or finish the non believers and Yes of course there are others who are law abiding citizens because they fear the law of their country.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Ethan,

    How do you know which is a right path and which one is wrong? No one can predict how one`s life is going to be.

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  • Ashraf, Mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    @Zeitgeist
    I could have replied to you but i could not make out which religion you belongs to with your name.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    I am a free man, not bound by the shackles of religion. I am just interested in showing people the fact which they may not see when their judgement is clouded with their stupid beliefs.

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  • Achhu, Mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    A man without right religion is incomplete. It is not the fault of religion but fault of you. You never had a try to learn it.

    For ur kind information, the messages which were revealed 1000 years back are getting proved scientifically now. You tell me now who could know the things 1000 years back which are proving scientifically now??

    Religion is complete but we are not.

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  • A.N.P, Blore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime,
    give a man religion and he will die praying/or fighting for a fish.
    Anonymous

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  • Ashwin , mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Zeitgeist .... Smart move, not everyone here will know why you are using this masked username .
    Request you to come out of the bubble world that you live in . You may be smart , but not smart enough , you are being watched , you're in the radar.. Beware

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  • sam, world

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Zeitgeist, Mangalore
    The first question you will have to answer - are you sincerely searching for the truth and does truth matter to you even if it will go against your existing belief? Since truth is verifiable, you can ascertain the beliefs of every religion and verify their claims.

    For example, Jesus says in Gospel of John 8:31-32 "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free". We can study Jesus and inspect the claims of Christianity and decide if Jesus is telling the truth or not. Repeat this process for other beliefs and see where it leads you.

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  • nazeer husain, jeddah saudi arabia

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Any where in the world the religion of islam not in need of expanding the community in this way.Its not love jihad,but its HIDAAYA or guidance of true path from almighty makes the receipt to cross the boundaries.

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  • Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Do you guys mean that Hindu girls do not have any brains of their own …

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  • R.Bhandarkar, M'lore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Jossey Jossey...
    Athaa Utloy?
    Hindu Girls
    Muslim Girls
    Hindu Boys
    Muslim Boys...
    All have their own own...
    That's why the problem!!
    Got it? Kallen Moo?

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  • Ashraf, Mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Jossey.
    They have brains but boys simply blaming them. These boys do not accept they are lacking their beauty to attract girls.

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  • Jossey Saldanha, Mumbai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Ashraf, You mean "Nach Na Aye Tho Love Jihad" ...

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  • Ashraf, Mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Ha ha...yes you are right.

    You painted my comment to look better.

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  • R.Bhandarkar, M'lore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Ashraf Bai,
    Yettare Sulabthal 'Painter'Akhere Ayele??

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  • Jayanth, Bangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Even Christian girls do not have brains, that is why Bishop council of kerala joined hands with vhp

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  • Ajay, Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    That is a joke. Christians are free to marry anyone and choose any religion if they want to..Do not drag us into the VHP backwardness. Love Jihad is a RSS term.

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  • Jayanth, Bangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    OK, See this article, not from any Indian Reporter

    By Myles Collier, Christian Post Contributor
    July 19, 2012|4:04 pm

    The Commission for Social Harmony and Vigilance of the Kerala Catholic Bishops Council (KCBC) conducted a report which highlighted the grave nature of love jihadists. The report stated "that that there had been 2,868 female victims of the 'love jihad' in Kerala from 2006 to 2009."

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    After putting some comments unrelated to this article, I finally want to write that is related to the topic.

    Love jihad is nothing but a fabrication made by the Hindu groups to harass the muslims. And to their credit they are doing pretty well. I will quote Adolf Hitler on this issue, who once said “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” its so true here.
    If a hindu girl converts to islam after marring a hindu is that because thats the only way possible for the couple to stay in that community. Because if it happens opposite it can be treated as Apostasy (which is a serious act as per islam).

    What hindu should understand it that islam and christianity is not as same as hinduism. Recently when a cristian boy converted to hindu (i really dont no what he actually belives now) i read in the comments saying that he was never a true christian. That means people from some communities dont view fairly on the people who leave religion.

    Coming back to the point Love Jihad is a lie. What people have to understand is that people do fall in love and fall in love so much that they are willing to adopt religion of their loved one. We have to just accept that as fact.

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  • sam, world

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    I too read the article, but I believe the concern of the readers regarding the Christian boy's conversion to Hinduism was best summarized by mohammed ansar, byndoor who wrote "Hum karo to conversion, Tum karo to gharvapasi" and not "he was never a true christian" as you put it.

    Leaving from religion A to go to religion B affects not only the converted person, but all people who are related to the individual also. The issue is the hypocrisy involved when a person converts to a non-Hindu religion versus the Hindu religion.

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  • Amith, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Guys Choose your own partner ..fall in love with a person not his /her religion nor have any other motive.its your life and we all have one life ..its non of anyones business to tell us whom to lead our life with ...society never feeds you ..Go Live and Let Live ...

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  • Mahendra Shetty, Mumbai Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    LOVE JIHAD SURELY EXISTS IN KERALA AND IN MANGALORE.....IN KERALA WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE GULF MONEY IS POURING IN FOR ALL ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES INCLUDING LOVE JIHAD.......

    BUT IN MANGALORE DUE TO RSS, VHP, BD, IT IS NOT IN FULL SWING....BUT STILL THE TRY IS GOING ON.......

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  • shahnawaz kukkikatte, dubai/udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Mahendra shetty. Mangalore mumbai

    I feel pity on ur limited knowledge. Timevn again the judiciary n utive n NGOs failed t prove the presence of love jihad...no govt has proved it n indian home minister just said he is not aware of the word n meaning of love jihad n if he says he knew about then he has to give white paper on it I parliament..its nothing but false fabrication by people like you..

    by the way u r living in mumbai..pls tell ur girls not to look and smile at muslim boys..but muslim boys handsome personality is irresistible shetre....frog in the well. Just spits venom against muslims..

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  • Aala re aala, INDIA

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Please prove some cases, Don't hit bouncers without any evidence.

    Daijiworld did not get any such cases during their visit and investigation.

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  • Ranjan Shetty, mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Mahendra please spit out hatredness and br a peace lover.
    Everyone knows the truth that there is NO LOVE JIHAD only conspiracy to save hindu girls.
    It is widely accepted.
    When one of my cousin converted to islam our family members tortured them with term love jihad. Myself I also requested her.. but everything failed.
    Later after 2 yrs now I realised she is most happiest person and her in laws and husband loves her a lot..
    I am happy for her for taking right decision

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  • Mahendra Shetty, Mumbai Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    RANJAN SHETTY..
    SACH KADVA HOTHA HAI DOST.....IN YOUR FAMILY SOME ONE DONE MEANS YOU WILL SUPPORT WITHOUT CHOICE...THIS IS A USUAL THING TO DO...... WHAT ELSE YOU WILL DO?

    RECENT EVIDENCE IS IN CHATTISGRAH WHERE NATION SPORTS WOMEN FOOLED BY A PERSON CALLING HIMSELF A HINDU....SEVERAL NEWS CHANNELS EXPOSED THESE THINGS....GO TO YOU TUBE AND FIND OUT.....

    SHEENWAZ KUKKIKATTE,

    IN ALL RELIGION THERE IS HANDSOME PEOPLE NOT ONLY IN MUSLIM COMMUNITY.....NOTE IT FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION.

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  • vellano1, Mumbai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Good for you, Ranjan... but do u feel, her in laws or her hubby would not have accepted her, if she had not converted to Islam??

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  • Ashok Shetty, Shrva

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Mahindra Shetre , in my near village last week started cow jihad. What about in Mumbai ???

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  • potato, potatoville

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    man, you guys should should take a chill pill... God prefers good atheists over hateful christians/muslims/hindus, etc.. religion primarily teaches one to practice peace... maybe most of us should practice this?? we are doing unspeakable things in the name of religion.. you should follow humanity over religion. maybe all of this will come to an end and we can leave without the fear of communal tension.

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  • ethan, mangalore/mumbai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Its not only girls but even boys are made to convert compulsory if they wish to marry muslim gal.

    We cannot blame anyone but having good family values will stop young boys n gals from taking wrong path..

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  • R.Bhandarkar, M'lore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    See all this 'low level' stuff for people who live in the 'lower rungs' of the society only! The affluent don't care! They amongst other things know nothing changes, no organ , not a piece ,anything in them ,if they marry outside the caste!
    Tell me, all, does anything change??
    This with the 'affluent' class and they don't care a damn!.
    Those say in the 'middle class', or those who have nobody, nothing to fall on after committing this act of 'bravado' or whatever 'eloping', the problem starts when resources dry up. Then come the problems on by one.
    1. Love goes for a 'toss' first.
    2.Relatives with 'agenda' step in.
    3.Religious groups set in and then the whole thing'Khallas'!
    Therefore the onus should only be on the couple who take the 'plunge' first. No excuses thereafter.
    Got my point?

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  • Captain, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Everyone is equal in the eyes of GOD.It is only people like you who stratify the society as "low Rung" "affluent" etc.One must look within and try to rise above all these and change the outlook of life.Probably that is asking for too much!!!!

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  • MYB, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Shreyas H S, good job. Today we confirmed from your coverage that "Love Jehad", merely a myth fabricated by communal forces. Thank you.

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  • Allen, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Yeah! Just like ISIS too is a 'myth' to certain people!

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  • Prof.Shanker Bhat, Manipal

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    So far it is not proved that "Love Jihad " is existing. Even Home minster declined it.

    As an Indian we have to accept utive,Legislative and Judiciary statements and all three have denied the existence of Love Jihad.

    Let us not spoil communal harmony with our brothers and sisters of all religion just for the sake of some extremists.

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  • Zakaria, Ganjimatt

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Excellent comment Sir.

    Because of you like minded Indians (Most of Indians are secular) Unity of diversity is existing in India.

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  • MYB, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    That's professor !!!

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  • ZAMEER, UDIPI

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Yes Professor

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  • Abdul Samad, Cm, Jeddah..Mangalore.

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Exactly Sir,..Actually majority peoples from brotherly community knows that the propaganda made nothing but well planned conspiracy against Islam....thus they can protect hindu girls from adopting other religion...instead they strive towards removing cast system, dowry,untouchability etc etc.

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  • REEMA.D, mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Our secular, democratic constitution, like the constitution of developed liberal countries, allows us to propagate or follow any faith we wish to and marry anyone we wish to. I cherish this freedom. Intermarriage between many religions, castes and communities must be encouraged as it will lead to a stronger and more integrated nation. It is silly for any community, especially citizens belonging to the majority community to be so insecure and have so little faith in the strength of their culture and faith. It is not as if Hindu faith or culture is so weak that it will get gobbled up by others - Hinduism has survived for millennium and does not need these hate mongers to protect itself. Love Jihad is a silly term coined by hate mongers to create more hate and division in society. The reality is that there are 180 million Muslims in India and 800 million Hindus. It is natural that many Hindu girls will marry Muslims and many Muslim girls will marry Hindus. SRK and Amir Khan are married to Hindus, Mahesh Bhat's mother is muslim. And some of these marriages will end up in abuse or violence, in which case, the law of the land must intervene to protect the victim. Love Jihad is a term coined for gullible fools to believe.

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  • Achhu, M,lore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Recently a Christian converted to hindu.. what is that called?

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  • Hary, Kudla/Dubai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    He openly converted to Hinduism in front of all people, He was not restricted to meet any. He freely got converted for his love.

    This is Love Conversion.

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  • R.Bhandarkar, M'lore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    "Chindu" Acchu...Chindu !!

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  • Ganesh Rao, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    "Love Jihad" is not fact it is fictitious

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  • Vinay Nair, Mangalore/Dubai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Actually Hinduism is not an religion but it is a culture. In India since thousand years philosophers came they preached some values in life and So called Hinduism included all these thinks into it. there were good , there were some bad as each religion has. So being one of the oldest culture ,so called Hinduism doesn't have unified rituals, beliefs, prayers or system. Each Large group has its own way of worship and rituals. Other religions which has derived from one of its prophet has clear doctrine of the rituals and worship hence through out the world they follow in the same way,best examples would be Jainism, Buddhism, Chirstism, Islam etc.Islam is comparatively new religious thought it is very strong and more authentic in its rituals and worships. Where as being a oldest religious belief( Since a culture has turned in to a religion during these ten thousand years) its fundamental structure of belief are getting loose slowly. But still it is highly influential belief worldwide. But this is very much true that the Hinduism is the own identity of India,Its art, music, culture, has very close relation with Hinduism. I think it is only religion where it has reach all other field of the life such as medicine, Yoga, dance, cookery, etc. Being an Indian I think there should be some improvement or development scheme for Hinduism in India.

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  • WASIM, UDUPI/DUBAI

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    ITS COW JIHAD!!!!!

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  • Dontwannadisclose, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    First of I am Human Being. Secondly Hinduism, Christianity< Islam and many more religions are just a way of living. A male who has attained puberty is prone to getting attracted to a female or even the other way around. I dont know why you have to blame a religion for that. India is a democratic country, We are free to follow any religion we like. If a male/female is mature enough to take decisions on getting married then they even have the freedom to decide what religion they follow.

    You cannot blame the whole community for an individual's deeds. Its the person himself or herself responsible for the same. These institutions like KFD,SDPI, RSS, VHP etc are not all necessary in india. If everyone tried to earn their Bed and Bread by working hard that would have been enough for us to have peace in our country. Live for yourselves, your folks and your country and learn to respect every other person's religion. Lets bring peace in our country.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Imagine there's no heaven
    It's easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today...

    Imagine there's no countries
    It isn't hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace...

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world...

    You may say I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will live as one

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  • A..P, Blore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Know God know War...
    No god no War...
    Peaceful Atheist

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Being an Atheist really helps you see the stupidity the religion brings into peoples lives. We must advance as a civilization improving our technology for the betterment of the people as a whole, Instead of bickering who has to marry who. Get civilized people, we have to achieve civilization type 1 status soon. If you dont, some of us will drag you towards it whether you like it or not.

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  • sam, world

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Zeitgeist, Mangalore
    "Being an Atheist really helps you see the stupidity the religion brings into peoples lives"

    Really? Do you believe Atheists are not stupid :)

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  • Suleman Beary, Udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    "Love Jihad" when muslim boy vs hindu girl. What if other way "...."?

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  • Shahul, Honnali

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    "Love Terrorism"

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  • Clarence, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    If that was true, then the question to be answered is: how did these guys meet the girls from another religion in the first place. It was Not haram then?

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  • Allen, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Mr Clarence, plz don't get confused with this so called 'haram' and 'halal'! It is just a matter of convenience!

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  • Indian, India

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Islam does not need any ones favor, it is pure & peaceful religion and a way of life to those who seek, black sheep's are in every community, so don't judge by them.

    Example: To see the performance of a BMW car don't look at the driver who doesn't know how to drive, put a expert driver behind wheel n see, like in-religion don't see the people who doesn't have religious knowledge, go n read the religious Scriptures to understand one religion.

    Conclusion: Allah has revealed a Quran for all humanity (Not just for Muslims)as a instruction manual to learn and lead a peaceful life to succeed here & hereafter (it's my advice to read Quran so one can understand the purpose of life).

    Note: Allah promised in Quran that,, at the day of Judgment people will not complaint of true message,, they will say we received your true message but we didn't follow, please give us one more chance to learn,,,, God will say your time is over.........

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  • vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Dear Indian,india
    Pranaam
    Note: Allah promised in Quran that,, at the day of Judgment people will not complaint of true message,, they will say we received your true message but we didn't follow, please give us one more chance to learn,,,, God will say your time is over........."
    He can simply remove the seal he has placed on my heart per the book Q2:6-7, So it is all in Allah’s hands!!
    Dhanyavad
    Dhanyavad

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Hey people i am interested in converting some people into my religion of Flying Spaghetti Monster. Wanna convert??? press agree...:)

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Those who agree will be blessed with eternal happiness and those who disagree will be dammed to the pits of hell.

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  • India First, India

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Shahul, Honnali
    We are worried of poisoned sugar !!

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  • Allen, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    No doubt, must be 'brown sugar' as usual!

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  • cyril mathias, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    The leaders of both communities must focus on eradication of poverty and creation of employment among the youth.These outfits are crying wolf over a non issue.Marriage in india is an affair between two individuals,guaranteed by our constitution. The communal elements would do well to respect human sentiments and constitution.Well done Daiji world.

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  • shahnawaz kukkikatte, dubai/udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Let me be very very clear to all DW readers that muslim community will not accept non muslims as their daughter in law. If any non muslim girl wants to marry a muslim boy then she must convert to islam or she should forget her love bird. The reason is thai islam is the final n last religion to come on this planet n it has been perfected by God. Mohammed pbuh is the last n final messenger n no new messenger shall come. Quran is the last n final devine revelation send down to this planet by God...Quran is intact n nothing has been changed where as in all previous devinely scriptures have lost its originality n theory of conevience have crept in.. This is hard truth n truth is always bitter...many a readers may not like this statement of mine but I am writing it to enlighten you all with the only desire of earning the blessings n pleasure of universal God...

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  • Shahul, Honnali

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Ants are attracted towards Sugar not salt. Then its not mistake of the Sugar.

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  • Allen, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    It is sugar coated salt to cheat ants!

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  • jb, mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Unfortunately here Salts are sugar coated to fool the poor and innocent girls. By the time sugar coat melts the girl would have been history.

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  • vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Dear Shahul, Honnali
    Bhai ,Kya point mari re!!
    Can it be taken/relate your punching dialogue to other activities Sirrr!!
    Dhanyavad

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  • MYB, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Shahul, Honnali
    send a copy each of dictionary to those who do not know the meaning of sugar.

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  • sam, world

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Shahul, Honnali
    "Ants are attracted towards Sugar not salt. Then its not mistake of the Sugar."

    Sugar gives diabetes and kills, does it not? Or is that not the mistake of Sugar.

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  • Achhu, Mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    @ Jaimini.

    Please do not underestimate our Hindu Sister okay.
    They never attract on handsome boy without good character.

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  • Kanirali, indian

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Achu u know nothing ..better study more...

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  • santoshprabhu, india

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Besides, it became evident from the place that Islam encourages conversion, but not by conspiracy branded as 'Love Jihad'. However, instances of following Islam after spiritual understanding of the religion are declining, as against acceptance of Islam for the sake of one's love interest.
    This paragraph is enough to understand that this do exists. we indians have a good knack of doing unwanted things under "legal" process and call it a legitimate conversion. people opposing it name it as "luv jihad". fact of the matter remains that conversion is happening. You say it is on consent of the person and RSS says that consent obtaining process is called "luv jihaad". I ask comments from family and parents whoes daughter have married and converted here for their views

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  • Roshan Braganza, Mumbai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Islam is rapidly growing because its appealing and more aware about the morals one should. Specially in western countries after the rise of Satanic cults like feminists and feminazi which resulted in destroyer of family system , more men are finding solace with ISLAM.

    Coming to the point , if both partners are of different religion , there is a provision of special marriage act ( though the act is anti men just like hindu marriage act ). The child can decide about religion once he or she becomes 18. Enough said......

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  • Anand, Mangalore

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Agreed that it is a fast growing religion, but not for the reasons that you have mentioned. Reasons are different and everyone knows them. Go to Iraq, Syria and check the state of minorities... you will find all the reasons.

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  • Pramod, Kundapura

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    People know very well upto what extent love jihad is there in this society. No news is required actually to know all these events we can see it in our surroundings itself!

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  • Manohar Veigas, UDUPI

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    It has been a clear observation not only in India but world-wide in the third world countries the Islamic Fundamentalist are using force for expanding their control by using religious conversion as a method even for expanding the territory. Hence, there is a possibility of funding from such fundamentalist organisation to India for targeting non-muslim girls through obligatory conversion arising from love-affairs, poverty etc. Today, Holy Book is only for the Devout, whereas radicals are free to violate everything that is not supposed to be done according to the Holy Book. But worry about the Devout Group is that their silence or their expression restricted to quotation will only help the fundamentalist to sketch their evil design for encouraging the terrorist act, smuggling, robbery etc. which is prima-facie from the daily newspapers we read and gives the reasonable section of majority community here a feeling of even forced conversion whether one likes it or not. After all, it is not what the Holy Book of that Religion says but it is the acts of those followers which testifies the Society.

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  • PEACE LOVER, INDIA

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Lydia Lobo, Kadri
    "As you bring in girls, let your girls go out too ? Double standards !"
    In India both Muslim men are marrying Hindu girls, and also Muslim Girls are marrying Hindu boys.I can provide at least one thousand such cases of Muslim Girls married to Hindu boys.(on record).What do you call these, TRISHUL JIHAD?
    India is a democratic country and each and every individual has right to choose the partner either from his own community or from other.

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Who cares for your vague all-over-India thousand of cases ? Go by this article gentleman !

    Read through it ! The centers in Kerala don't say they let their girls marry men of other religions ! They convert men and women both ! Read through it !

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  • PEACE LOVER, INDIA

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Lydia Lobo
    I believe you have not read the news properly, Daijiworld did not get a single authentic case of Love Jihad .

    A RSS member admitted that the campaign of Love Jihad could be a defense strategy to protect the community.

    "There may be nothing called Love Jihad or an organized conspiracy by Muslims,

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  • mohan, mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    dear lydia
    Being a Christian you are not read the bible , just name sake Christian. And you are not seen the outer world. you are just a small frog which is living in small well, it is very disgusting being a Christian you are talking such nonsense.
    Just see the outer world and just read a bible just once properly. and comment.

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  • HENRY MISQUITH, Bahrain

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    hey mohan,
    don't tell any one to read Bible, it is none of your business.....

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  • vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Dear HENRY MISQUITH, Bahrain
    Henry bro ,
    You could have said it in a simple way..
    IMPOSTER SPOTTED!!
    Dhanyavad

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Mohan,

    Whats wrong with you. Its good that Christians don't read bible and follow it. If they did they would have seriously troubled every other religious believers. Don t agree with me then read the acts committed by catholics in the middle ages.

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  • sam, world

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Zeitgeist, Mangalore
    When in doubt blame the Catholics in the middle ages?? How much do you really know about the Church Zeitgeist or will you simply parrot down what has been mumbled in your school text-book?

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  • TTS, Kadri

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    "Love Jihad"

    Directed by : RSS
    Produced by: BJP
    Marketing By: Paid Media
    Music By : Sangh Parivar
    Actor : Muslim Youth
    Actress: Hindu Girl

    Box office : Flop

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  • Peter, Udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Mr.TTS

    Good movie they expected Super Hit but became flop show in U.P by-election.

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  • j.anata, Mangaluru / Bengaluru

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    But will be a SUPER DUPER hit in Maharashtra & Haryana 2014!!!

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  • TTS, Kadri

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    j.anata

    But you dont read news i think.
    Love Jihad Movie has been withdrawn by the producers.

    So In Maharashtra they may plan new movie, "Riot","Explosion" "Rape" etc.

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  • TTS, Kadri

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    j.anata

    Good to see that you agreed its a directed movie.

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  • Rosario Fernandes, Kallianpur

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Kalpana talkies will be 'Houseful' with RSS & VHP candidates.

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  • denzil, mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    One of my friend (christian ) married to a hindu guy but she still follows Christianity & they celebrating Diwali as well Christmas at home !!

    Now my question is why Muslim Brothers also not following the same !!

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  • WASIM, UDUPI/DUBAI

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    DENZIL,

    U UNDERSTAND THIS FIST CLEARLY...NO "MUSLIM" BOY WANTS TO MARRY A OTHER COMMUNITY GIRL BCS IN OUR COMMUNITY THERE ARE LOT OF MUSLIM GIRL THOSE ARE UNMARRIED.....IF ANY NON MUSLIM GIRL MARRIES A MUSLIM BOY THEN ITS HER PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THEIR DAUGHTERS BY DOING THIS........SIMPLY BLAMING OTHER COMMUNITY IS NOT THE GOOD AND ITS NOT THE SOLUTION.......

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Wasim,

    No parents would really blame their child would they?? they always say that they might have done because someone might have influenced them.

    Anyways, my stand on this subject is that a man and a woman (or man and man or women and women) on legal age should be able marry anyone they please. Parents should stay out of it. because they cant guarantee the happiness of their child`s future.

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  • denzil, mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    so there is no true love according to you ?

    bahi pyar ho jata hai kiya nahi !!!!

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  • Zaeem, Mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Study islam completely, you will get the solution.

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  • ER, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    what solution? why donot you find solution for your IS problems in Iraq and Syria?

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  • Indian, India

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    a car cannot run long,,,if you put one wheel from car another from truck???

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  • Joseph F. Gonslaves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Christian Parents must take care of their children moving helter-skelter.
    Choose bride and bridegroom for your children from the faith followers and marry within the community.

    Don't turn blind eye towards your children's boy friend or girl friend moving with others. Caution them and give them proper knowledge of a family life within the ambit of the teaching of Jesus Christ.

    God willing I shall write an article about "CHRISTIAN MARRIAGES" showing biblical verses and I have hope that this may benefit whole Christian community.

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  • S.F.H, Indian

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    It is known fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.Most of them in western countries are accepting Islam by understanding,reading and comparing Qur'an with other religious scripture.

    "Invite people to Islam even without words" they asked how?..He replied with your manners.(Caliph Umar-companion of Prophet Mohammed)

    Thank you Daiji!

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  • Raj, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    I always wondered why cant people from two different religion marry each other and continue to follow their own religion even after marriage without conversion.
    So I tried to get some info on this in the internet, to check whether there is any provisions in our Constitution for such an arrangement.
    It turns out there is a provision for such an arrangement called Special Marriage Act, 1954, but it turns out to be very difficult to marry under the provision.
    The conditions under the act are mind boggling.

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  • Syed Kazi, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    After hearing RAMAYANA, now you are asking Sita is the wife of Rama OR Laxmana ????....good going...clean up the heart and don't try to prove that tails are always BENT

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  • Khaleel Ullal, Ullal

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Dear all
    If U call love jihad when Hindu girl marry to a Muslim.Then wt should we call when Muslim girl marry to a Hindu. This is nothing but Pyaar ki chakkar,Am not supporting them.they are cheating their own parents and society.But if they are love with some religious teaching and they want to follow particulate religion then we must allow them.

    Muslim boys should follow the Islam as per our books.it never told us to convert people in the name of love.We are not here to convert the people we can only Convey the words of allah.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    So people please bring up your children as Atheist. A well educated Atheist could never be converted by anyone.

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Children need identity, belonging to a certain community. They identify themselves as one going to church, temple, mosque, so on. Despite their difference in method of worship, they play/eat/study/grow up together. When one child is not going to any place to worship, others push him away.

    I am sure nobody will acknowledge atheism as a community, as long as they have a congregation, assembly, community gathering where their children will say they belong to. Till then, no matter how much you try to promote your disbelief, your children will grow up aloof.

    Leave alone atheism, people who broke away to New Life, Born Again, etc, enrolled their children into Catholic Churches for religious studies. Check around !

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Lydia,

    Yeah that`s true. But do you the how may children sexually abused by some priests in those churches.

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Is that the reason you turned an atheist ? What if you don't get a life partner who agrees with your sentiments ? Will you remain single for the fault of an errand priest ?

    Get him to books ! Priesthood does not make him any supreme ! An offender must be punished no matter what his rank is !

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  • JOHN R LOBO, Kaikamba/Dubai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    What about Ex.USSR leader Mikahil Gorbachev or Present Russia's president Vladimir Putin....???

    What you want say about them and their family....???????

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    John,

    What do you want me to say?

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  • Kanirali, indian

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Hey guy's no body having right to convert & make your sister to foll in "LOVE JIHAD'' ... Dont be happy that only hindu girl foll in love jihad. Who ever doing this (love jihad) mistake i sure they will be punished in front of society also there sister will go with other man ....just think guys same if its your sister how pain you get.... uncultured concept ....people shame on them..... I beg all the religion people plz plz dont support...we will protract our sisters ...

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  • MYB, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    "An RSS loyalist from Dakshina Kannada, who does not want to be named in the report, in a chat with Daijiworld (after Daijiworld discussed the observation with him), admitted the campaign of Love Jihad could be a defense strategy to protect the community. "There may be nothing called Love Jihad or an organized conspiracy by Muslims, but they do encourage conversion," he said, adding that it is natural for any community to save itself from external danger".


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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Converting to another faith is a free will of a person after believing in God.
    Enforcements and not allowed and punishable.

    It would be far and far better both the boys and girls choose to marry within their own community.

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  • ER, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Absolutely right Mr.Josephji. I agree with you fully on this count.

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  • Allen, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    When we see organizations like ISIS trying Islamisation in every possible wicked ways, any type of jihad is definitely possible!

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  • JOHN R LOBO, Kaikamba/Dubai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    The main problems in Hindu Religion is majority Hindu’s ( other than Brahmins ) do NOT have any knowledge of Hindu Holy Scriptures ie. Chathur Veda’s / Upanishads and Bhagwat Geeta. Even Brahmins also NOT masters in all 4 Veda’s…We can few students in Udupi or Mysore Veda Adhyana Schools and utilising this training for “ Pooja ( Home or Temple )

    Parents also not preferring their children to Veda Schools rather they send their children to English Medium Schools/ Colleges ( Law, Engg, Medical, IAS, IPS etc )
    Pre Independent India and Post Independent, we can see thousand’s of Brahmins ( specially from Tamil Nadu, UP, Bengal, Karnataka, Kashmir ) dominated in Govt Jobs and
    Medical / Scientific field….

    Church / Convent School providing mandatory Religious study ( Daily at Schools or Sunday Catechism in Church ) to Christians …and same ways Madrasa’s also providing to Muslims ( Evening Class ) ………Even after that few Christians girls married to Hindu’s and Muslims

    But what about our Hindu Brothers and sisters…….????? Who will enlightening them of their Religion….?????. It’s absolutely the duty of Hindu Religious leader’s ,
    but Majority Leaders either NOT interested or least bother of this important issue ( May be the Cast Systems play Pivotal Role )

    Unless and until Our Hindu Brothers and Sisters solving this important issue you cant eradicate this……….????????

    Last, you can convert them but you cant convert their Heart. On day or another it beat of your past religion

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  • Vinay Nair, Mangalore/Dubai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Mr. John,

    You said very correct. The paramount purpose of any religion is to enlighten life . Unfortunately since some recent years there is no good religious master in Hinduism who can guide common peoples. Each strong community has its own Master and each group distinguish them as superior to other and all other are very much inferior. Some swamis and Gurus of current day Hindu society are only behind the money and lust. So God has to take one more incarnation shortly.

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  • ikku, gulf

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Actual it was started by Mukhtar Abbas Nakhvi, Shahnawaz Hussain, M J Akbar, Maddav Takre's Daughter, Subramanya Swamis's Daughter.....so on

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Imagine if Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi and Shahnawaz Hussain had forced their spouse to convert to Islam, where in BJP would they have ended up ?

    Kursi-ke-liye sabb chalta hai...

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  • Rajesh, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    I have a question when secularist have no problem when other religion girls marry Muslims, why Muslim community is so protective about their girls marrying other community boys?. there should be mass movement where Muslim girls should be encouraged to marry hindu boys.this will aid in national integration!!Like minded hindus should support such cases

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  • YOUSUF K, BANAGALORE

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Mr Mukthar Abbas Naqvi spokes person of BJP is Son in Law of Mr Murali Manohar Joshi of BJP..

    Which Jihad is This?

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  • Ibrahim Mangalore, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Islam never allowed any forceful religious convert & prohibited strictly.It means any one can embrace Islam by understanding its ideology especially strong belief in ALLAH & but not in force .So that Mughal Empires didn't emphasized any mass convention even though they ruled India about 800 years.If they had such agenda now Indian Muslims population would be in majority level.Love jihad is only a certain organization's propaganda,so that gaining in vote bank politics and it is proved investigation of govt authorities. .

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  • vellano1, Mumbai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Kaaka, id yella bendaa (ye sab nakko)!! There was heavy Jizya on Kafirs!! but still on one retaliated!! few who were stingy went and got themselves converted! Mughals have tired their best to convert.. only that, they were plain unlucky! ) read history!

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  • vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Dear Ibrahim Mangalore, Mangalore
    "Moghuls ruled 800 yrs...n if they tried....."
    Why you have left out Pakisthan and Bangladesh here ?
    Did these countries existed before INDIA and the prople residing in these two countries are not muslims?
    By taking your logic ,then america would have converted every citizen in AFGHAN/IRAQ and no force would have stopped them!!
    Dhanyavad

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  • jamal, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Dear vedaasthuthi, udupi,
    Even your RSS history books will show that Indian subcontinent was one large country during Muslim rule.

    Pakistan and Bangladesh were created in the last 60 years.

    But then you will believe whatever your chaddi leaders say. So sad!

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  • vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Dear Jamal, Manglore
    Pranam ,
    Pakistan and bangladesh were created last 60 years - so?11
    what nonsense is this before 60 years there were no people living in these countries kya or after naming them people started to live like muslims??
    Pahle thumari dosth ko dhiya huva reply achhi tharah sey pado!!
    U need to study/research a lot , don’t stick to one single source saying its full of signs ya sicence!! , Duniya bahuth aagey badchuki hey samjey ,
    Abb Logonko iss zamaney mein ullu nahi bana sakthey sab vishayonko chaddi ya baddi words sey relate nahi karthey!
    Nichey likhi huyi sentence gaur se pado baadhlo!!
    The facts of the atrocities of Islamic Ghazis is documented not by any christian or hindu or jew..they are documented by the Ghazis or their muslim chroniclers themselves.. from “ Tarikh-Yemeni of Utbi “to the anecdotes of “Aurangzeb”.
    Agar baath karni hein tho facts and logic present karo !
    Padney ke baadh dubara reply karney sey pahle achhi tharah sey sochlo . Badey aaya backup dheney saathi ko!!
    Dhanyavad

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  • Naveen, Manglore/Bahrain

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Better to make New Rule " Get marry with anybody without Conversion"

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  • Roy, Mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    @Peace But my friend the girls there were non muslims who had come to learn about islam n get converted. So that means they weren't muslim.

    How can you apply your rules on non muslims.

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  • praba, mangalore/mumbai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    I have two friends who married catholic boys... But their in-laws never asked them convert... they r living happily respecting each others faith. thats true love..

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  • Rohan, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    " The niece of L K Advani, a Sindhi Brahmin, married a Muslim. Advani attended the marriage ceremony.Suhasini, the daughter of Subramanian Swamy, married a Muslim, the son of Salman Haidar, and now known as Suhasini Haidar." These are two staunch defenders of Hinduism have no say today on this. Just because a Hindu girl marries a Muslim it doesn't mean Love Jihad.

    Take two examples from Mangalore - Christian boy marries a hindu girl soon BD force fully converts the boy to Hinduism. - A Hindu boy marries a Muslim girl and volunterly converts to Islam. what say on this? People need to understand that Arabs are not crazy to fund some India muslim to marry Hindu girl.If Hindu girls are forced to marry then there is Police and law make use of them.Hindu girls are educated enough in our country to know whom to marry.

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Why disagree ? Such a popular example ! I knew a particular community had illiterates/ignorant thugs but did not know there are blinds too who simply click somewhere without knowing whether their mouse points 'Like' or 'Dislike'

    Thank you Rohan, for beautifully pitting it in words here !

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  • vellano1, Mumbai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Rohan, Subramanian swamy has not opposed love marriages! he himself married a parsi .. and his daughter a progressive muslim!! point is were they asked to convert to Islam, read namaz, change names, wear burqa? .. no one opposes love marriage buddy!! but this funda of "convert to get married and follow the path of one faith to gett jannat./.. else we will ditch you" is what is happening!!

    Again, I condemn those incidences where xian boy was converted to Hinduism!! if I am in their position, I would never.. what is the desperation? 'I loved u, not ur religion!!if u like me marry me.. else goto Jannat or jahannum'

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  • Alwyn, mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Pakistan's founder Mohd.Ali Jinnah's daughter Dinah Jinnah married Neville wadia(parsi)
    it doesn't matter who marries who..
     

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  • sam, world

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Alwyn, mlore
    You forgot an important fact - Mohammed Ali Jinnah was estranged with his daughter after she married Neville Wadia.

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  • Roy, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Why is it like this? If anyone falls in love with a muslim he/she should convert to islam. Why not the muslim take the religion of his/her love? If he/she(muslim) was truly in love with a non muslim he would have been taken up his partners religion. Why is this not happening??

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  • sam, world

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    @Roy, Mangalore
    That is how Islam is. As per Islam, you must convert to become a muslim. Of course there are couples who have not changed their religion after marrying muslims, but these numbers are few. The children of such a marriage will mostly become muslims.

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  • Subash Pai , Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    It is a public secret. This is dangerous to other communities. Specially in Hindu's there are grown up unmarried girls, definitely looking for some other ways, and there are some wolfs ready to grab them.
    Whatever may be I salute Christians as far as coastal side, their boys are marrying their girls without any dowry and most of them raise wonderful families. Discipline in their religion is key.
    I think if we follow the same the problem will reduce. Main thing we have too many differences within our self.

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Mr. Pai,

    You have two birds with one stone. Better the community members understand what you say and spread this awareness within their community than others' interference in it !

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  • Subash Pai , Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Lydiaji, as long as there are fanatics, no changes can come. Before changing others i have to change myself.Hats off to Daiji this article is an eye opener.

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  • Raj Amin, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    There are no problem arises when hindu and christians marry each other.....
    I admire catholic boys and girls and there family on this..

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  • Zakaria, Ganjimatt

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    In one of the news channel it is asked with VHP leader about Love Jihad he gave a definition of love Jihad.

    Then when asked him from where he got this definition his answer was Mid day news paper.

    And when asked who wrote that article then the answer was Another VHP leader. lol.

    On June 27, the state high court ordered the Kozhikode City Police Commissioner on June 27 to probe an alleged case of "love jihad"

    On PIL of a RSS man.

    can Some one just put a blame that Hindu youths are involving in Love terrorism by converting muslim girls?

    It requires an evidence.

    Till now no one proved it that a girl converted under love jihad.

    If Hindu girls love and marry muslim boys then Hindu boys must do self assessment rather than blaming muslim youth.

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  • Javed Hashir, Mangalore/AUH

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Appreciate Daiji's attempt to clear the misconception among our non-muslim brothers and sisters.

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  • Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Pak ISI's one of the main agendas is LOVE JIHAD..They want to disturb Indians either by bomb or by conversion method, latter is more dangerous than bombs..ISI partially won this war..They pick up poor handsome Muslim boys and gvie them money and bike ask to attract young hindu girls ..These boys don't tell original name..They say hindu name..These young girls who are in love mood fall in trap..Once they realize,it it is too late..This is disclosed by one of the terrorists who is in NIA custody..After that IB,NIA became little serious about it..

    If any hindu girl WILINGLY go with muslim boy is NOT love jihad...I condemn Love Jihad but no objection in the second case..(mutual understanding and marriage)

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  • WASIM, UDUPI/DUBAI

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    JAIMINI,,,,,WHAT A FOOLISH AND IDIOTIC COMMENT YOU ARE MAKING HERE...FOR HOW LONG YOU ARE LIVING IN SHARJAH,UAE..THERE ARE LOT OF PAK OR INDIAN MUSLIMS LIVING IN SHARJAH...DID ANYONE TRIED TO CONVERT YOU OR CHEAT YOU? I NEED ANSWER FOR THIS...IN FACT NOBODY WILL THAT...ITS A CONSPIRACY BY NON MUSLIMS TO SPOIL THE NAME OF MUSLIMS....IN FACT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO NEAR A NAJAIS THING....

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  • Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Wasim Bhai..cool..I am not a girl first and I am talking about what is going on in India...not in sharjah or dubai..This is Pak ISI agenda and not Indian Muslim agenda..I have clearly mentioned that I don't have any objection if hindu girl knows muslim boy well and prefer him as her life partner..Hope it is clear now..Do you know 4 engineering students from Hyderabad left for Iraq to join ISIS ..Media came to know when their parents complained to police..Luckily parents didn't support children but it was too late by then..This is also ISI agenda..It is upto you to believe..I don't force you to believe also..

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  • WASIM, UDUPI/DUBAI

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    DEAR JAIMINI....ITS FINE IF UR A BOY...THEN TELL ME ONE THING....ALL OVER THE WORLD...MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIM GIRL CONVERTS FROM ONE RELIGION TO ANOTHER...WHAT IS NEW IN THAT..IT IS FALSE THAT INTENTIONALLY DOING BY SOME ONE......WE ALWAYS SUPPORT INDIAN (MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIMS) IN DUBAI OR UAE...BUT HEARING THESE TYPES OF ALLEGATIONS, IT WILL HURT US....HEARTS ARE ALREADY BEEN DIVIDED BY THESE RADICAL GROUPS........

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  • Achhu, Mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    You are being educated dont comment like uneducated. There should be a logic in your comment.
    The term Love Jehad came because of RSS.. We muslims did not hear it from any muslim organization before we hear it from Hindu organization.

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  • Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Dear EDUCATED Achhu..Tappayitu sir..Taavu TRIKAALA JNANIGALU..!!

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  • Achhu, M,lore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    @ Dear jaimini
    Its okay Jaimini.. At least u realised your mistakes. . May God bless u..

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  • vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Dear Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah
    PAK ISI's!! To destabilize India?
    Looks silly yet Good one!!
    We can say this as a conspiracy by the paki ISI's in this matter to destabilize INDIA,Similar to the problems faced by middle east are conspired/created by the westerners !!
    Dhanyavad

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  • R.Bhandarkar, M'lore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    The boys were trained to spot(!) the weaknesses of non-Muslim girls(?) to appease them and get them to fall in love, she said. The boys give them alcohol and cigarettes as part of their tactics .......Unquote...
    My experience...
    1. In all girls 'spots of weakness' are same.
    2. After spots, let us come to 'all girls'...Hmmmmmmmm...
    Here also same thing. All girls , at same age ,all same. Yes or No?
    Girls reply.
    3. All Girls also are 'Romantic Heart'. The only thing you should know is too woo.
    'Giving, liquor, cigarettes..etc, etc,to entice as mentioned here is for the 'Crass Class'! How can they be taken as 'examples' for the whole lot??
    Girls if they are 'prone' to be enticed by drugs etc, then nothing may save them! it's the 'upbringing' then which counts!
    At the end , in conclusion we can say that all this takes 'two hands to clap...one from the male and one definitely from the female'............
    (See-If you all remember correctly
    'A beautiful girl from Kuwait 'here in this forum, wanted to know when I would go into coma!! She wanted my 'live heart' it seems!1 Now ,what you call this?? 'Heart Jihad'??
    Daiji must investigate this also.!)

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  • Captain, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    As it is the topic is very sensitive and at best should be desisted from public debate....but your comments are complete NONSENSE and incomprehensive to say the least.If one is not sure of the topic of discussion he/she should desist from doing so.

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  • R.Bhandarkar, M'lore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Hi!Parasite!You back again? Had your fill??

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  • Captain, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Truth is always bitter...still time to improve though.Ahaa!! Parasite that is a good name you have given yourself and suits you to the "P".

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  • R.Bhandarkar, M'lore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    1.Truth is that which never changes.
    2. It is indeed bitter for nameless 'Captains' like you.
    3.What else do you do in this forum except 'eat' on my comments
    like a parasite? Truth should indeed be 'bitter' for you.
    4. Have a little decency henceforth stop 'living off me'
    here, for it's reflecting what you do in real life too.

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  • HENRY MISQUITH, BAHRAIN

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Unity in diversity is a mantra keeping all us of together and united, now the people of Bharat should start UNITY JIHAD to combat so called Love and Meat Jihad. JAI HIND

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  • India First, India

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Are only numbers makes a religion great ?? I always wish to be a follower of greatest religion and not a largest religion !! We should work to make our religion great and not large !!

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  • Nagendra, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Let the law of the land be changed so that any conversion is illegal. Let the law of the land make religion illegal. All problems are solved.

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  • Ronald D, Udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Okay, there is no forcible conversion! But I do not understand why they do not adopt soft path like other religions! Relax rules and let people continue their respective religion even after marriage and let children take the religion of their choice as they are grown and matured.

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    I always believed that there wasn't or isn't Love Jihad but what baffled me is, when a boy falls in love with a girl, the girl must convert to Islam before marriage to save them both from being ousted from the community.

    Well, why not oust the girl too who befriended a non-Muslim and prepares to marry him ? This is, if not love-jihad, a double income theory.

    Agree you don't want to lose men because their children bear the family name but why girls ? As you bring in girls, let your girls go out too ? Double standards !

    Please do not come out with an argument that Muslim men are handsome, wealthy, bla.. bla.. bla.. Some Muslim men drool after girls dressed sand a garment from head to toe ! Their women stay indoors waiting men to return from business but the men do all the waddling in muddy waters outside.

    Nothing more, nothing less !

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Lydia,
    In Islam penalty for apostasy is Death. Though it's not in India, you could just imagine how the community would treat to a person for doing it.

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  • vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Dear Lydia Lobo, Kadri
    Sathya maathu sangla maayi..!!
    dhanyavad

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  • R.Bhandarkar, M'lore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    "Please do not come out with an argument that Muslim men are handsome, wealthy, bla.. bla.. bla.. Some Muslim men drool after girls dressed sand a garment from head to toe ! Their women stay indoors waiting men to return from business but the men do all the waddling in muddy waters outside.
    Nothing more, nothing less !" Unquote:
    Dear Mai..
    Are you taking 'special classes 'to teach about what you write here.Like 'waddling in muddy waters' for example.
    I am a little back in English and all these matters.
    Myself, Langools, Henry Misquithaa(who only knows to say Marook, Mashallaha and earn in dollars) will be in the first batch if you do not mind.
    Please revert.
    Best Regards
    R.Bhandarkar.

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  • Langoolacharya., Belman/Washington,DC.

    Fri, Sep 26 2014

    Bhandumaam,

    I am not very well versed in English...so to understand it properly...first I translate Kadrimai's comments in Sanskrit and then try to understand it...

    ...JH...

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  • Ahmed Shabeer, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    This report is incomplete one. Some of points are agreed but most of all are not true. If a muslim boy marry a hindu girl it is love jihad. if a hindu boy marry a muslim girl what is it ? why daiji did not meet the muslim girls who are converted or married to hindu men? India is democratic country here everyone has right to choose their own religion.

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  • marol, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    It is not at all important to know how many members a religion has but it is very very important to know how each member of a religion is. If any one wants to convert then let it be conversion from BAD TO GOOD. Thank you and God bless each one of us.

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  • FIZA, dubai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Islam is not about forcing people to come into Islam it is all by their own will they turn into Islam..just an simple exam i stay in Dubai were my roommates are non Muslim but they try to gain some knowledge about Islam and i give them brief explanation ...and it does not mean coveting them its all their will and by the grace of Allah there is not evidence that proves the conversion of 409 girls ...please don't create any unwanted story ...plz live in peace and let live believe in one thing we all are Indians..we believe in unity not divide and rule

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  • WASIM, UDUPI/DUBAI

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    COMPLETE NONSENSE....ISLAM DOES NOT WANT ANY EXPANSION.....

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  • Rajesh Shetty, Mlore Shj

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Ask a Thief Did you steal !....and what answer do you expect from them anyways ???

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  • WASIM, UDUPI/DUBAI

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    RAJESH, THIS QUESTION YOU CAN ASK WITH URSELF.....WHAT WILL BE THE ANSWER?

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  • Shahul, Honnali

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    You mean Rajnath Singh is thief?

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  • WASIM, UDUPI/DUBAI

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    SHAHUL,

    NO NO HE IS TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF....

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  • Ahmed, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    If Muslims are concerned about Muslim population, radical groups middle east like Taliban, ISIS, Al Qaida would not have indulged in Killing fellow Muslims. There are thousands of unmarried Muslim woman wasting their lives without producing any Muslim population. Yes, there are number of love affair cases Hindu girls falling for Muslim boys and converting to Islam after marriage, but, point is if it is for the sake of increasing population, must check how many kids they produce? Hindus really need to educate and control their girls. Muslim boys must think about Muslim girls who needs spouses.

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Ahmed,

    In the nations you named, if women are unmarried, its because of reverse dowry system in those countries. In that region men must give dowry to girl's father and the amount is very very huge !

    Are you aware that the men in those countries go to poor nations like Philippines, Indonesia, Srilanka, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan to marry women, bring them on housemaid visa and continue to have children with them ?

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  • vellano1, Mumbai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Sodu Lydia baaye.... "Hindus really need to educate and control their girls. " if he says this, then there is no point in discussing with him.... Hindu girls r educated and anyways, I am not of the opinion of "controlling girls" for the sake of it! .. I am OK when rightwingers beat these wayward 'haraamis' who want to roam with other girls, when they know its haraam in islam!

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  • Ahmed, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Vellano1, Educate the girls does not mean College education. Educate them family values, traditional values, religious values. And it is your privilege if you enjoy when right-wingers beat our boys (haraamis according to you)

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  • Ahmed, Mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Lydia, thank you. I don't know anything. Just time pass on Daiji.

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  • denzil, mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    All of Daijiworld’s attempts to meet the girls staying in a separate block at Ponnani were unsuccessful. !!!!

    ABOVE SENTENCE IS ENOUGH TO JUDGE !!!!

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  • vedaasthuthi, udupi

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Dear denzil, mangalore
    Spot on!!
    Dhanyavad

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  • denzil, mangalore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    welcome you are !!!

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  • Peace, UAE

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Try to understand the ISLAM before judging it. A Male who is not the father,brother,son,uncle,grandfather are not allowed to meet the girl or interact them, same its for male, A female who is not the Mother, sister, wife, aunty, mother in law cannot interact or meet the BOY. Its haraam in Islam. So based on that the reporter who was male was not allowed to meet the girls, to meet the girls, a female reporter can be used.

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  • vellano1, Mumbai

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    in that case, muslims should be the one who would be beating and moral policing the wayward youth of the community, who indulge in love and roam around beaches with other religion's girls in the name of false love!!! y dont u take them to task and teach them what is islam and what is haraam!!

    may be hindus or christians or rest are not noble enough to cover their women with veil, but you can teach ur guys a lesson or two, so that Bhajarangis dont have to beat them?

    about the rest who support Love and oppose Jihad... just think for once its ur near one..and whats ur reaction!!! ? if it is fine with u, then OK.. else, if u get angry, u have no right to condemn any right wing!

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  • Alwyn, mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    in today's world your version of haram and halal is just an eye wash..
    people judge character and behavior, who cares what is halal and haram for you..

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  • Aman, Mangalore - Muscat

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    Alwyn,

    Don't be arrogant please. If you do not care for halaal (legal) and haram (illegal), you will come to know the results of arrogance on the day of judgment.

    Wishing you right guidance, and may you be successful on the day of judgment.

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  • Peace, UAE

    Sun, Sep 28 2014

    You are right. Let the government implement the shariah law for muslims, we requested many times to allow the shariah laws so that we can correct the muslims, then u will see the result of it. In islamic countries, they have the shariah law to dealt with, but you idiots cant digest even that and talk against such laws.

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  • Alwyn, mlore

    Thu, Sep 25 2014

    hope daijiworld or any freelancer female journalists will interview these girls...

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