Bangalore: Catholic Church does Not Convert People, say Bishops


Bangalore: Catholic Church does Not Convert People, say Bishops

Bangalore, Feb 1 (DHNS): The Catholic Church on Tuesday reiterated it does not forcibly convert people to Christianity.

“Conversion has to come from within,” said Cardinal Oswald Gracias, Archbishop of Bombay.

Addressing the media on the eve of the general body meeting of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India (CBCI) here, Cardinal Gracias, the president of the CBCI, said, “The Catholic Church is against forceful conversion, and it has the greatest respect for the personal laws of each community.”

Responding to queries on the issue of alleged forced conversions by Catholic priests in Jammu and Kashmir, the archbishop said the CBCI would seek a detailed report from the bishop concerned.

Expressing concern at the decreasing number of candidates joining the Catholic priesthood, Archbishop Gracias and his Bangalore counterpart Bernard Moras pointed that the most important factor for the trend was the increasing number of nuclear families.

“Moreover, the world is filled with materialism, and there are added opportunities to earn a livelihood. This has definitely hampered our services,” said Moras.

Gracias said despite such “precarious situations,” the Church was going strong with a number of priests still serving her and the people.

“But this can be definitely a cause for worry, if not addressed; it can lead to a huge problem for the Church,” he admitted.

The CBCI president said the biggest concern of the Church in India was the drastically falling number of priestly candidates from Kerala.

On whether the minority Christians were lobbying for more political recognition, Moras said he had already made a representation to the State government seeking appointment of more Christians as chairpersons of at least three to five per cent of the innumerable statutory bodies.

The bishops admitted that since Christians were “politically insignificant”, the Centre and the states had shown lack of political will in providing more recognition to them in the administrative and political setup. “We (Catholics) have gone places with our education and health services, where even the governments do not dare to go. We have become the option of the poor and downtrodden.

And yet, there is a lack of recognition for Christians in bureaucratic and political spheres,” Moras said.

The CBCI meeting, to be held in Bangalore from February 1 to 8, will have the theme as ‘Church’s role for a better India.’

The bishops will discuss the topic in depth, which they say is of great importance for the Church in India.

They will also deliberate on how the Church can continue to play an important role in nation building.

Cardinal Peter Turkson, president, Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, Rome, Dr Josef Sayer, Director of Miseror, Germany, Navin Chawla, former Chief Election Commissioner of India, and T K Oommen, former professor at the Jawaharlal Nehru University, will present papers on various issues.

  

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  • Annie Colaco, Madanthyar

    Wed, Feb 08 2012

    India is a democratic country. As an individual we all have a right to chose our own religion. Religion is alway one i.e. human being. Roman Catholic church does not allow anybody to convert. It is always ones own choice. Why others getting jelous???? We all want to get a education in Convent schools. Why only conversion is made a big issue in India? In US Hare Ram Hare Krishan people are converting all US citizens? Why nobody is pinpointing on this?

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  • G M Hegde, Udupi

    Sat, Feb 04 2012

    @Mr. Fredrick Correa I totally agree with Mr. Fredrick Correa and have always held these views and also that trouble has entered our beautiful native place by fascists or settlers from elsewhere. I also hold the view and experience that Goan and Mangalorean Christianity and Christians are culturally rich, peaceloving and classy people who have always stayed in harmony in our beautiful native land and the trouble is only from a section of people who have migrated to this land with their fascist mentality. At last some worthwhile comments on Daijiworld which otherwise seems like a boxing ring for different religions. Kudos to Mr. Fredrick

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  • Matt Farias, Brisbane

    Thu, Feb 02 2012

    New Life people they dont have churches! They do have churches and for your information its the fastest growing church in the world and the biggest church in the world is a New life or evangelical church! They dont follow Pope because Pope is not following Jesus but People who leave Catholic sect are the people who are hungry for the truth which is in the Bible and they follow the teachings of Jesus Christ! If some one goes back to the old than the bible calls it as dog going back to its Vomit! A man is not saved or have not attained salvation through sacrament but rather a free gift of God for all those who believe in Jesus. If daijiworld believes in equality for all than it should allow the freedom of speech to all than prohibiting the comments of people who follow Jesus and call Christians. The people who followed Jesus they left their trades and father and mother and their religions and traditions to follow the truth! So the traditions and cultures of Man are not important than the truth of the gospel! What we are emphasizing today is to leave in peace with all but thats not going to happen..Because preaching the Gospel is a mandate given by Jesus to all Christians to tell the world and warn them of the consequences that are going to hit the world soon!They are not forcing any one to convert but when people receive the truth, the devil is getting Jealous and he is just attacking the truth because thats what he did from Day One! Jesus said, dont be afraid of the person who can kill ur body but rather be afraid of the one who can cast both in hell! My fellow Catholics you Guys are educated , read your Bibles and read what Jesus and the apostles asked you to do to be the followers of Christ and if you dont want than stop calling Christians but rather call Popeians! By the way New lifes or evangelical or bornagain Christians are not just mere 10% but rather sweeping the world with revival! Check Rainharde Bonke for Africa and many more it sjust the work of Jesus!

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  • Louis, Kuwait

    Thu, Feb 02 2012

    Dear Amul, new life is pulling Catholics to their sects, they don't believe in making prayers through mother Mary, or any Saints. Even they don't attend Holy Mass at church nor they have their own churches. They make prayer in groups. They don't say Rosery even. We Catholics are tired of them, but we cannot stop any catholic moving to their faith. Bcz every one has a right to accept religion of his choice. But many have come back to catholic church bcz, now they realized their mistake, they not even get holy sacraments before death nor get Burial place in cemetery. We need to take permission from Bishop to burry any one from other sects in catholic cemetery. New life n Catholics are not the same. Only Sero Malabar Christiams are affiliated to Roman Catholic church and they are allowed to offer masses at our churches in India n Gulf.

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  • Fredrick Castelino, Udyavara

    Thu, Feb 02 2012

    Catholics or Catholic Church is not at all supporting New Life or other sects. The principles of New Life and Catholics is fully against to each other. Catholics are having a single leader i.e. Pope at Vatican. Under his leadership entire Catholic Church is standing. The people who are so called New Life members are nothing to do with Catholics. The percentage of New Life etc. may be only 10% in the entire world which is very meagre. These people are destroying the culture, fraternity, traditions, friendship with other religions etc. The misunderstanding between christians and Hindus is the recent one. For all these developments they are the people who have gone against Catholics.This should be understood by our fellow hindus.

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  • Charles D'Mello, Pangala

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    I was in Pangala for 30 years and I have not seen any person converting to Christianity forcibly. One Hindu guy had changed his religion to Christianity as he had to marry a Christian girl. Nowadays's even Christian Boy and Hindu Girl can marry in the church and there is no compulsion of changing the religion. Only thing is girl if she is of other religion she will not be given Holy Communion. Girl and their party will be served "Prasadam".

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  • Agnes soza, Udupi/USA

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    Mr. Amul, Catholic church is nothing to do with new-life or they are not supporting them directly/indirectly. New-life is the one who teaching wrong message about Catholicism and taking away our brothers and sisters from our community. My humble request to you that, study the things before you write.

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  • JOHNSON, Panaji

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    It's all choice to choose the right division for the purpose  of keeping up faith. CHOICE IS YOURS. I am Catholic from Goa working abroad. I am aware that my Brahmin forefathers converted to Christianity may be out of fear OR insecurity. I am, as a modern adult, have a full right to go back  to Hinduism BUT I don't find anything wrong in Christ and his teachings. I ALWAYS feel proud to introduce myself as  an Indian and defend the way of life of Hindus if any arguments breaks out with my friends. LIVE AND LET LIVE
    If anybody converts to other religion that's the freedom they get once bored with the religion they brought up with, unlike Islamic countries, where the punishment is stoning to death. THE ONLY RELIGIOUS FOUNDER WHO PREACHED AND  PRACTISED FORGIVENESS and true LOVE IS THE CHRIST. don't copy the christians.

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  • Louis, Kuwait

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    Well said Gerald, forceful conversion is like forcefull marriage. It will not last even if one pays crores as dowry. We are struggling to teach our own children, teachings of Jesus Christ n no one has time for converting others but we do help our fellow brothers. Just for example in my Parish back at my native place, our Parish priest announced today after mass that one Hindu boy in 7th std has been admitted to Manipal hospital for throat Cancer his father is not supporting the family. Just bcz of comments of people like Dinesh Poojari we cannot allow him to die just bcz he is a Hindu! Our good deeds are suspected as conversion gimics by few people who never believe in helping others without any returns. Let's help them for Gods sake.

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  • Fredrick Correa, Pernal/Mumbai

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    Amul,Mangalore, The New Life Movement is not supported by Catholics, directly or indirectly. New Life Movements' members are mostly ex Catholics. They do not change their names while leaving the Catholic Church and hence many people can not make the difference between Catholics and these ex Catholics. You can be asssured once again that the Catholic Church does not believe in forced or induced conversion.
    In fact when there is a wedding or any other function in the church where Non Catholics attend, it is very clearly announced that the Holy Communion is to be received ONLY BY THE CATHOLICS and others are requested not to come forward to recieve it. Catholics have wonderful relationship with their non Christian neighbours and we shall continue with that healthy relationship.

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  • Simon Miranda, Elinje/Bahrain

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    I am sorry Mr.Bhandarkar. My comment wasnt intended to counter your opinion.I do appreciate and value your secular view.
    And I totally agree what you have said last...we have to unlearn what we have learnt in lifetime to gain that innocence...thats the transformation in Christ I was talking about..Thanks and God bless

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  • Ronnie, M'lore

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    Your thoughts are secular, broad based. Got to agree with you. It's true that we need to flush out all that contaminated stuff within us, but unfortunately, any attempt doing so will further contaminates it.

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  • GERALD, Modankap-Bantwal

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    FORCIBLE CONVERSION IS LIKE FORCIBLE MARRIAGE THERE IS NO MEANING AT ALL AS SIMPLE AS THAT SIMPLE PANDA IS NOT GOING TO THE BRAINS OF RSS / POOJARY

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  • Lydia Lobo, Kadri

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    Hammer the contents of this news into the brain of DINESH POOJARY !!!!

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  • louis, Mumbai

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    No one is converting to any one, its a slef faith, No one is calling other reglion to Church , Like Mahim Novena , Like Mount Mary, if you see non catholic more than cantholic for Mount mary fair.
    its self Faith and Believe. no one has the right forcefuly conversion.

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  • Pratibha, Mangalore/UAE

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    Well written Mr. Simon Miranda!! Truly appreciate your precise and wonderful explanation. Any moron would understand it, just forget about the other morons who dont want to understand. God bless :-)

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  • R.Bhandarkar, M

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    Dear Brother Simon

    There you go again-I was never holding a candle for or against anybody. Never have I gone into
    the depth into the pros and cons of the article! I have never ever bifurcated my friends depending
    on their so called caste or religon-When do you come to know you are a Christian, Hindu or a Muslim- Not the moment you are born-right? These things are 'structured' and to this trap everybody falls gradually,or have no options but to fall prey!Those who question the 'set procedures'
    are termed rebels ,villians and what not! However you must agree with me that religions, cults, customs,etc ,etc in name of any Masters come only after their departure. They have got no'currency' when the true 'masters' are alive! Have any of the enlightened souls
    Jesus, Krishna,Mansoor Akhtar,Socrates,Nanak Dev ever preached religion?Think over-
    All turbulences have started after their departures!
    If you say 'Christanity' then let me tell you that the thoughts I can put on paper today in 'English' is because of one of the finest,disciplined 'Christian' educational institution still running in Mangalore.
    No 'word-play' Simon- You can count on my word and the spirit behind it! Therefore to conclude like Jesus said 'You have to be innocent like a 'CHILD'to enter the Kingdom of God'.He meant that you have to 'unlearn' what you have ever 'learnt'in your lifetime to gain this 'innonence'!
    Sounds simple in 'words' Simon, but give it a try!

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  • Kurt Waschnig, Oldenburg Germany

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    The Catholic Church on Tuesday reiterated it does not forcibly convert people to Christianity.

    “Conversion has to come from within,” said Cardinal Oswald Gracias, Archbishop of Bombay.

    This is a very important statement made by Cardinal Oswald Gracias.

    Conversion indeed comes from within and that is a long process to come to the point there is a new beginning in my life.

    Should there have been alleged forced conversions by Catholic priests in Jammu and Kashmir, the Catholic Church of India should take decisive actions that forced conversions do not happen again.

    All religious matters are very sensitive and a personal faith gives human beings a meaning of life, dignity, joy and happiness.

    A human being who is forced to convert to Catholicism by Catholic priests will not experience and face a personal relationship with GOD.

    The message of The Gospel is dignity, joy, happiness, mutual understanding, respect and tolerance and to see and to help the poor.

    And therefore the statement of Cardinal Oswald Gracias was absolutely necessary.

    “The CBCI president said the biggest concern of the Church in India was the drastically falling number of priestly candidates from Kerala.

    Our world , perceptions and values are changing in a globalised environment. Young men have lots of opportunities nowadays to earn a good livelihood and make a career.

    One of the main reason why even in Kerala less young men have the wish to become priests has to do with celibacy.

    It is natural that human beings wish to marry to have children and to lead a happy family life. One can hear lots of voices within the Catholic Church that there shall be a new approach to attract more young men to serve God and the needy and there is no logical or theological reason why young priests should not marry and have their own family.

    Catholics are a minority in India. But much has been done by the Church for the poor and others for example in education, social fields, housing.

    India is a country full of diversity, there are Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs.

    And every religion offers human beings so much. Human beings need only a better and mutual understanding, respect and tolerance and a never ending dialogue to work for a prosperous India, a country I am in love with.



    Best regards


    Kurt Waschnig Oldenburg/Germany

    e-mail: oldenburg1952@yahoo.de



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  • Simon Miranda, Elinje/Bahrain

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    Mr.Bhandarkar, sorry to say, but your comment also sounds nothing more than "word-play".Every Christian is on a journey of transformation in Christ. Surely He is grappling to come to terms with Masters teaching, not for religious superiority, but striving to live out the message. Thats why Bishop Gracias says,“We (Catholics) have gone places with our education and health services, where even the governments do not dare to go. We have become the option of the poor and downtrodden."

    I may hasten to add, We have also become a thorn in the flesh for those communal, cast propogators.
    There is absolutely no word play,when Bishop says, "Conversion has to come from within." For those who understand plain English no explanation is neccessary.Every Christian is a sinner...every Christian does not merit the title Christian..Fact of the matter is...unworthy though we are, we are blessed to have Christ within. He does not give us "peace" but rather disturbs the consience and challenges us to proclaim His presence by good deeds.
    Lastly, you say that Organisations originate...partly true, but Church is not just an organisation, it is a living organism, it will bleed if you cut it, it may also suffocate if you suppress it, and it may die if you crucify it...but Ressurection of the Spirit is inevitable..

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  • Louis, Kuwait

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    His Lordship Bishop is right. Catholics are converting any one forcefully, but if any one wants convert within himself, he need to accept Jesus n his teachings. Just Baptism is not enough. It's a long procedure n takes years together to convert into Christianity. But there are few sects who are doing it, but the blame comes Catholics our schools, churches n convents are attacked for no reason. Those sects are not under control of Bishop or Pope. They have their own pastors n leaders. Catholics call their church leaders as Parish Priest (they are bachelors) n not
    as Pastors. (pastors are mostly married) If some one comes willingly to convert no Priest cannot deny him if he accomplish all the requirements. 1st Baptism 2nd Holy Communion 3rd Confirmation. It will take at least 15yrs for Children n 3 to 5 yrs for elders. Conversion is not a joke.

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  • Fredrick Correa, Pernal/Mumbai

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    We have been telling about this so many times, that the Catholic Church does not convert anyone either through force or other means. However, the people in general just do not know the differnce between Catholics and other Christians. The Catholics are partly to be blamed for this as they do not open their mouths to tell their Non Christian neighbours the difference.

    How many of us Catholics know that the name of Ram is mentioned 7 times in the Catholic version of the Bible? (Mathew 1 : 3,4 Ruth 4 : 19, First Book of Chronicles 2 : 9,10 Job 32 : 2). The Ram of the Bible may not be the same as the Lord Ram of Hinduism but there is no harm in sharing the information. In our native place the Palm Sunday is known as Ram's Sunday (Ramacho Aithar). Who will share this information with others, if not we the Catholics?

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  • Vicky israel/mangalore,

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    Hundred percent correct.PRAISE THE LORD.

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  • DODDANNA, Damaskatte/Abudhabi

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    CONVERSION IS ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD AS A FREE CHOICE OF A PERSON TO SHIFT HIS FAITH EXPERIENCE TO ANOTHER BELIEF OF HIS/HER CHOICE THROUGH ONES CONVICTION. WHEN SOMEONE SAYS 'FORCIBLE' THIS AMOUNTS TO BREACH OF FREEDOM. AS FAR AS I KNOW CATHOLIC CHURCH IS EXTREMLY SENSITIVE TO THIS ISSUE OF ACCEPTING PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITHS AND RELIGIONS INTO ITS FOLD AND WILL NEVER ENGAGE IN SUCH MEAN TACTICS OF USING FORCE TO GET PEOPLE INTO CHURCH OR FAITH. RELIGION OR FAITH EXPERINCE WHEN 'FORCED' BECOMES NOTHING BUT AN ACT OF TERRORISM. JAI HOO.... JAI HOO...

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  • Aloka Nath, Bengaluru

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    The civil society should grow, and the civlised civil people should take the leadership instead of religious leaders of church or mutt or musjid leading the society. The religion should go to the background, and civil society should be up front for the society to progress scientifically.

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  • Ronald D, Udupi

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    Every one knows there is no forcible conversion! It is only a term used by a political party to gain vote and power by polarising society and induce communal hatred. No God will like this type of cheap method! Only when people get educated and matured we can see an end to such propaganda. Time, energy and money should be utilised for providing better roads, water, electricity and development of mankind than wasting god gifted life on useless religion debate for votes!

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  • Amul, Mangalore

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    I agree with Catholic Bishops,but what about the "New Life" which is indirectly supported by Catholics?

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  • Mark Lobo, Manglore

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    Fredrick Castelino, Udyavara this is done by Protestant and Missionary group and all blame come to our community........

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  • Fredrick Castelino, Udyavara

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    Yes. Catholic church is fully against the forcible conversion. I never seen a single incident of such conversion in my 60 years life. If at all there is conversion, it is purely with the full agreement of such person who has accepted Jesus as his saviour.

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  • R.Bhandarkar, M

    Wed, Feb 01 2012

    When an enlightened soul departs
    what he leaves behind is a sea of followers always grappling to come to terms with what he taught-
    The 'Master' has no bias for any religion or cult whatever but sadly his followers take shelter in it to be in a protective huddle. That's how this caste, religious divisions have come into being leaving behind the essence of the teachings of the 'great enlightened souls'.Organisations then originate.
    What we are busy indulging is in petty matters and more impotantly word-play just ignoring the spirit hidden in it. What's the use of mastering scriptures, holy books etc if we aren't even able to grasp the simplest of meaning in them- that god resides in all of us and in all good deeds?

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